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Looks like beating Texas is no longer a big win. In fact it's losing to Texas that will have a greater effect on a team's ranking. And that's sad. Too much talent going to waste in a sport that is short of it.
Arizona's problem is that Texas was the best competition - by far - that they will face OOC. Schedule was more or less done early. So difficult to see any reason to rank Arizona, because how good they are or are not will be seen only in the PAC - and with some really strong teams there, we may never creep into the rankings.
 
Arizona's problem is that Texas was the best competition - by far - that they will face OOC. Schedule was more or less done early. So difficult to see any reason to rank Arizona, because how good they are or are not will be seen only in the PAC - and with some really strong teams there, we may never creep into the rankings.
Arizona is 2nd among RV teams. The way it usually works for those teams is they can enter by attrition after other teams ahead of them lose to unranked teams. The polls tend to be overly kind to teams that simply avoid losses, even if it's against weak competition.
 
However, I don't see any team out there that is as scary as Griner/Sims Baylor, or Cox/Brown Baylor. Maybe Oregon is close, but I remain to be convinced that Sabrina is as good against highly athletic competition as she has been against a lesser level of competition. So I think the Final Four is a realistic goal for this year's Huskies, and an NC is not out of the question.
Uconn fans should hope that the earlier paragraphs in your post are better thought out than this last paragraph seems to be. To begin with last years Oregon team lost in the last few minutes to that Cox Brown Baylor team that you give as a scary example. They basically because they were really short-handed and a team that just tired out. Hebard was a shell of her usual self due to recovering from an earlier injury. They are a far better team than they were last year. Frankly they would beat last years Baylor team. In fact, the Baylor teams this year might be better than last years team.

As too how Sabrina would do against athletic competition. That is a question that would apply to every player playing in college at present. However, Sabrina certainly did well enough against Team USA. As did Sabally and Hebard. The thing is that where are those highly athletic teams being that you see no one that is really scary this year? Will she face them in the NCAA's.

The thing is that to be objective one has to apply the same standards to everyone and not just when it suits our narrative. Now it is prudent to not make an assumption that any team has a national championship locked up because things happen and basketball is, after all, a game of matchups and timing. Even that scarey Baylor team with Sims and Griner only won one championship. They lost once to Louisville who got hot at the right time but cooled down in the final four. They also lost to TA&M who they had already beaten three times that season. Everything lined up for TA&M that year. You have to have talent but in a single-elimination, you must have luck and also depth.
 
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The toughest teams UO will face this year are PAC-12 Teams. There are 4 x PAC-12 teams that can beat UO on any given night in PAC-12 play this season. PAC-12 teams know each other (like other conference's foes) very well, and, each home court is special. I see the PAC-12 league champion having a minimum of 2 losses in conference play.
 
The toughest teams UO will face this year are PAC-12 Teams. There are 4 x PAC-12 teams that can beat UO on any given night in PAC-12 play this season. PAC-12 teams know each other (like other conference's foes) very well, and, each home court is special. I see the PAC-12 league champion having a minimum of 2 losses in conference play.

Am I to interpret your post as suggesting that there are 4 PAC 12 teams (in addition to Oregon) that are better than UConn?
 
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Am I to interpret your post as suggesting that there are 4 PAC 12 teams (in addition to Oregon) that are better than UConn?
No. I am saying UCONN will not win their single game with Oregon this season. No need to debate me on who wins the UCONN vs Oregon game. I can guess where you stand on that question
 
The toughest teams UO will face this year are PAC-12 Teams. There are 4 x PAC-12 teams that can beat UO on any given night in PAC-12 play this season.
Oregon State, Stanford, and which others?
 
Without Lauren Cox, Baylor won't stay at number 2.

She we will be back before they really play someone who can test them for that spot. They are good even without her, however tonight will tell how good without her.
 
Am I to interpret your post as suggesting that there are 4 PAC 12 teams (in addition to Oregon) that are better than UConn?
If you read his post carefully that is not what he said. He gave reasons why conference matchups are more apt to produce upsets. 1. Conference teams know each other better than non conference teams do. 2. They play each other multiple times a year so they are familiar with each other strengths and weaknesses. 3 Interconference rivalries create emotionally driven upset potential that makes home courts take on extra value. 4. There are at least four teams in the conference that considering all the aforementioned factors might be capable on any given night of upsetting Oregon. He also stated that those same conditions exist in every other conference and barring an extreme difference in talent makes those types of games likely.

Now last I heard Uconn is not in the Pac 12 so those in conference factors would not apply to them nor any other nonconference team playing Oregon. I happen to believe those factors play a role. You can see this often plays out in many conference results throughout the year. Especially when it involves traditional rivalries.
 
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She we will be back before they really play someone who can test them for that spot. They are good even without her, however tonight will tell how good without her.
They should have no problem dealing with SF even without Cox. SF was basically ranked because of their upset of then #15 Texas. Now we know that beating Texas is not all that. Another example of how an early mis-ranking can have sequential residual effects down the line. I believe teams should not be ranked until they have a least 5 games under their belts.
 
What an ugly game from Baylor vs S Florida. Shooting , turnovers, and everything else.
 
Kind of OT...but there is a young lady from Meriden, Connecticut (Kiah Gillespie) who is really appreciated down in Tallahassee....didn't realize where she was from until I heard it announced.
 
No. I am saying UCONN will not win their single game with Oregon this season. No need to debate me on who wins the UCONN vs Oregon game. I can guess where you stand on that question
Well you did say the only “tough games” UO had this year were PAC12 which is a bit dismissive of us. I have watched enough of the PAC12 this year already to say that UConn is at least second only to Oregon- better than Stanford, OSU and UCLA. I also think we match up well with Oregon as they have athletes vs space eaters. Experience is obviously on UOs side but ONO and Williams now know Hebard and Sabrina very well. To me, the difference will be Sabally and if someone on UConn can guard her- Aubrey is my guess though Anna could be a good second option.
If you truly think only PAC12 teams could give Oragan a tough game than maybe you need to watch Baylor and rewatch last years Baylor game. They deserve the #1 rank for now but let’s not get too ahead of ourselves. ;)
 
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Well you did say the only “tough games” UO had this year were PAC12 which is a bit dismissive of us. I have watched enough of the PAC12 this year already to say that UConn is at least second only to Oregon- better than Stanford, OSU and UCLA. I also think we match up well with Oregon as they have athletes vs space eaters. Experience is obviously on UOs side but ONO and Williams now know Hebard and Sabrina very well. To me, the difference will be Sabally and if someone on UConn can guard her- Aubrey is my guess though Anna could be a good second option.
If you truly think only PAC12 teams could give Oragan a tough game than maybe you need to watch Baylor and rewatch last years Baylor game. They deserve the #1 rank for now but let’s not get too ahead of ourselves. ;)
Not being dismissive of UCONN. I think @willtalk response to @JonathanXIV summarized my position.
 
A lot can change from now till 2-3-20 so predicting a result is foolish but the game in Gampel will definitely be much tougher to win than a game at UCLA. I only hope they are undefeated then, because I know the pressure that can put on a team. Some really good teams have lost badly to UConn in some part due to the aura surrounding the Huskies and a few teams have beaten UConn by playing them 3 or 4 times a year, when the aura was diminished. But normally when 2 teams "know" each other the factor that is negated is the intimidation factor that the better team possesses. Look at S Carolina. They have never beaten UConn in this century, and have lost badly several years when they had very very good teams. In 2018 they lost at home to UConn by about 25 (& 4 other teams that season) and then won the title.
Travelling across the country to play their 3rd road game in 4 days (5th game in 10 days), Oregon will not have been able to practice at home for a week or so, and that road trip will come right after back to back big conference games against OSU. And despite UConn's reported decline, opponents still have to overcome the aura. They will see those 11 championship banners hanging in Gampel and realize that they have none in their home.
Oregon is good enough to overcome all those things but the best team doesn't always win.
 
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There are some voters who think of Tenn like they think of the Confederacy. :rolleyes:
I nominate this post (i.e., it's a double slam) as best wit of the day!
 
Sabrina certainly did well enough against Team USA
It is sad to point out that against the national team she played against a 39 year old point guard and a 36 year old shooting guard whose best days are a terrific memory.
 
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Kind of OT...but there is a young lady from Meriden, Connecticut (Kiah Gillespie) who is really appreciated down in Tallahassee....didn't realize where she was from until I heard it announced.

Hey Billy, you lost? The Conference Realignment board is back thataway. What's our favorite FSU football fan doing on a UConn WCBB board. You cheating on the Shark? :D
 
Hey Billy, you lost? The Conference Realignment board is back thataway. What's our favorite FSU football fan doing on a UConn WCBB board. You cheating on the Shark? :D

I have been attempting to be a basketball fan...not too learned yet.

Since y'all seem to follow Connecticut athletes, thought that I would post...Kiah is a great basketball player.
 
Back to the topic of the AP poll:

Some teams I think are significantly overranked:

Team
(AP ranking)​
Seeding in 2019 NCAAs​
end-2019 Massey ranking​
Rationale​
Kentucky (13)
6​
24​
Lost 2 of top 3 players to graduation. Not at all clear who can fill the void to complement Howard.
Michigan State (15)
9​
38​
Lost Allen (graduation) and Cooks (transfer). Might be better than last year, but 23 spots better?
Indiana (18)
10​
41​
I hesitate to include them here, but I think people are overestimating how much they'll improve. All-glue player Bendu Yeaney is still rehabbing a torn achilles.
Arkansas (20)
WNIT​
53​
Though I think they'll make the NCAAs, I think there's some recency bias at play here, based on their run in the SEC tournament last March.
Tennessee (23)
11​
49​
I'm morally obligated to include them in this list. Are we really rewarding them for beating the Little Sisters of the Wounded Leprechauns?
West Virginia (25)
WNIT​
47​
Muldrow was a huge graduation loss, and big question marks hang over Tynice Martin. They do have Gondrezick back, but this team has a lot of questions to answer.
 
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Back to the topic of the AP poll:

Some teams I think are significantly overranked:

Team
(AP ranking)​
Seeding in 2019 NCAAs​
end-2019 Massey ranking​
Rationale​
Kentucky (13)
6​
24​
Lost 2 of top 3 players to graduation. Not at all clear who can fill the void to complement Howard.
Michigan State (15)
9​
38​
Lost Allen (graduation) and Cooks (transfer). Might be better than last year, but 23 spots better?
Indiana (18)
10​
41​
I hesitate to include them here, but I think people are overestimating how much they'll improve. All-glue player Bendu Yeaney is still rehabbing a torn achilles.
Arkansas (20)
WNIT​
53​
Though I think they'll make the NCAAs, I think there's some recency bias at play here, based on their run in the SEC tournament last March.
Tennessee (24)
11​
49​
I'm morally obligated to include them in this list. Are we really rewarding them for beating the Little Sisters of the Wounded Leprechauns?
West Virginia (25)
WNIT​
47​
Muldrow was a huge graduation loss, and huge question marks hang over Tynice Martin. They do have Gondrezick back, but this team has a lot of questions to answer.
Would like to see your list of the teams that are severely under-ranked.
 
She played who they put in front of her that’s all you can ask
I don't take that as a slam against Sabrina but maybe he was implying that the Stanford and OSU player guarding a 36 year old Olympian did not take care of business? In defense of Stanford and OSU I would disagree about that. Going to have to have a whole team effort to beat USA
 
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I don't take that as a slam against Sabrina but maybe he was implying that the Stanford and OSU player guarding a 39 year old did not take care of business? In defense of Stanford and OSU I would disagree about that.

I think you missed the point entirely. The 39 and 36 year old guards from the U.S. team had trouble guarding Sabrina. But Kiana Williams and Dijonai Carrington looked good against those same defenders, better than they have thus far in this young college season.
 
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