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Plebe said:
Yet another record that Muffet won't catch Geno on. Isn't that sad? :p

Having said that, I don't believe ND will stay out of the top 25 all season.

Texas? That's a different story.
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Agreed. They looked pretty good as they were trying to claw their way back into the game against Michigan State. If they can channel that, they'll find their way back in.
 
When was the last time UConn was ranked out of the Top 25?
 
Argonaut said:
Agreed. They looked pretty good as they were trying to claw their way back into the game against Michigan State. If they can channel that, they'll find their way back in.
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I've said it before, but just getting Vaughn back (projected early to mid-December) will be a HUGE boost. Imagine if UConn had to play without Olivia. This is what ND's having to deal with.
 
ochoopsfan said:
Where is Arizona.........................Conspiracy.
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Looks like beating Texas is no longer a big win. In fact it's losing to Texas that will have a greater effect on a team's ranking. And that's sad. Too much talent going to waste in a sport that is short of it.
 
Alydar said:
Looks like beating Texas is no longer a big win. In fact it's losing to Texas that will have a greater effect on a team's ranking. And that's sad. Too much talent going to waste in a sport that is short of it.
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Texas has become like Tennessee. Losing to them is an automatic DQ (as Notre Dame just found out).
 
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Plebe said:
I've said it before, but just getting Vaughn back (projected early to mid-December) will be a HUGE boost. Imagine if UConn had to play without Olivia. This is what ND's having to deal with.
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Losing Liv to injury probably would guarantee at least 7 or 8 losses.
 
Do you really think that UConn is a top 10 team? I don't know. When you watch them play, it looks like they are really a 15 or 16 team. I say that based on watching them today versus how they played last year and the past 5 years, there is really no comparison. Be realistic if you are going to criticize what I am saying. If they truly are a 4, then the rest of the teams on a practical basis are really not that better than UConn. Maybe, this year the elite team is Oregon followed by Baylor, but the way UConn plays, I just can't see it. Have at it.
 
Dokey said:
Losing Liv to injury probably would guarantee at least 7 or 8 losses.
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Exactly, and then imagine if UConn didn't have 3 returning starters on the floor.
 
veryolddog said:
Do you really think that UConn is a top 10 team? I don't know. When you watch them play, it looks like they are really a 15 or 16 team. I say that based on watching them today versus how they played last year and the past 5 years, there is really no comparison. Be realistic if you are going to criticize what I am saying. If they truly are a 4, then the rest of the teams on a practical basis are really not that better than UConn. Maybe, this year the elite team is Oregon followed by Baylor, but the way UConn plays, I just can't see it. Have at it.
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I agree on how they look now. UConn fans are used to a much more polished level of play in November. Not so for most other programs where the goal is to be good in March/April.
At this point most of the top teams are being ranked on talent and past success. As long as they win, no matter how ugly, they stay in the top 10.
 
veryolddog said:
Do you really think that UConn is a top 10 team? I don't know. When you watch them play, it looks like they are really a 15 or 16 team. I say that based on watching them today versus how they played last year and the past 5 years, there is really no comparison. Be realistic if you are going to criticize what I am saying. If they truly are a 4, then the rest of the teams on a practical basis are really not that better than UConn. Maybe, this year the elite team is Oregon followed by Baylor, but the way UConn plays, I just can't see it. Have at it.
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VOD, while I agree with your message regarding UConn's current team skills, suggest that there are 3-5 elite teams, then 5-7 lower top ten teams that, depending on matchups, could beat anyone on any night. Injuries, rebounding, and hot 3 point shooting will determine who falls in which category as the year evolves.
 
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veryolddog said:
Do you really think that UConn is a top 10 team? I don't know. When you watch them play, it looks like they are really a 15 or 16 team. I say that based on watching them today versus how they played last year and the past 5 years, there is really no comparison. Be realistic if you are going to criticize what I am saying. If they truly are a 4, then the rest of the teams on a practical basis are really not that better than UConn. Maybe, this year the elite team is Oregon followed by Baylor, but the way UConn plays, I just can't see it. Have at it.
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It's a down year for WCBB. :rolleyes: I would like to know who are the other 14 or 15 teams you would place before UConn...besides the obvious top three? Tell me what teams Baylor beat up so far?...and how about Miss St, what OOC teams have they beat? Maryland already lost one game, would you have them above UConn?. Have you seen all the other teams play? The ranking will shake out eventually, the cream will rise to the top and the pretenders will fall from the rankings.

I'll admit I have not seen many other teams play so far.
 
veryolddog said:
Do you really think that UConn is a top 10 team? I don't know. When you watch them play, it looks like they are really a 15 or 16 team. I say that based on watching them today versus how they played last year and the past 5 years, there is really no comparison. Be realistic if you are going to criticize what I am saying. If they truly are a 4, then the rest of the teams on a practical basis are really not that better than UConn. Maybe, this year the elite team is Oregon followed by Baylor, but the way UConn plays, I just can't see it. Have at it.
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Really? Name 15 teams better than UConn right now. It's not like there have been a bunch of really impressive teams out there. And some of the best teams are playing early schedules that are, bluntly, embarrassing.
 
Plebe said:
Season-ending poll of 1993.

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Fantastic find. Thanks.
Looking through the stats I came across an interesting stat about No 1. Since Geno became a head coach his teams have been ranked 37.7% of the AP polls.

Since 1995 UConn has been No 1 in 50% of all AP polls. Can we understand now why long time wcbb fans of other teams don't shed a tear for UConn/Geno?

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mbr33ct said:
It's a down year for WCBB. :rolleyes: I would like to know who are the other 14 or 15 teams you would place before UConn...besides the obvious top three? Tell me what teams Baylor beat up so far?...and how about Miss St, what OOC teams have they beat? Maryland already lost one game, would you have them above UConn?. Have you seen all the other teams play? The ranking will shake out eventually, the cream will rise to the top and the pretenders will fall from the rankings.

I'll admit I have not seen many other teams play so far.
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Why is it a "down year" for WCBB?
 
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Zanzman said:
Norte dame dropped out a lot quicker than Tenn ever did
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Tennessee's pattern over the past couple years has been to start out well against a soft nonconference schedule in November and December, before sliding down:

2018-19: 11-1 before Jan. 1 (only loss was to Stanford); 10-12 after Jan. 1
2017-18: 12-0 before Dec. 31 (including wins over Stanford, Texas, Marquette); 13-8 after Dec. 31
 
veryolddog said:
Do you really think that UConn is a top 10 team? I don't know. When you watch them play, it looks like they are really a 15 or 16 team. I say that based on watching them today versus how they played last year and the past 5 years, there is really no comparison. Be realistic if you are going to criticize what I am saying. If they truly are a 4, then the rest of the teams on a practical basis are really not that better than UConn. Maybe, this year the elite team is Oregon followed by Baylor, but the way UConn plays, I just can't see it. Have at it.
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Let me put this another way:
We're used to a certain UConn look.

Since the Maya Moore period, there was always the expectation of a certain level, that if attained, would bring both victories and artistic satisfaction.

Certainly, there were exceptions...where despite all the talent, pedigree, and savoir faire, the team was outplayed...In the NCAA tourney a few years ago, Dayton...lowly Dayton manhandled our three amigos for the whole first half...They had an excellent coach and some fine, poised players...A year (or so) later it was Texas...Texas? who played us to a standstill for a half...In exasperation (genius?), Geno subbed in a little used freshman...and Phee made a few shots and the game turned.

This season, it feels different, We have 2 (or is it 3) former # 1's, who to date (including previous seasons), have played more like 2 and a half's, we're short a power forward, and one of the shooting guards, hasn't shown the ability to hit the side of the barn...the other is green as can be (but gifted).

They don't look like a UConn team at all...but neither do many other teams. In a funny sort of way, we're a little like Tennessee except the elevator is going in different directions. They have more of the
pieces (certainly height) but are just learning (after years of coaching incompetence) the fundamentals of what it takes to play this game in a pressurized environment. Our team more-or-less understands that, but is far away from maxing out its talent...If played today, the game would be a toss-up.

I think that that is what Very Old is referring to...If we play a team anywhere in the top 25, that is prepared, fearless, talented and decently coached, then (as of today) we are vulnerable (I wouldn't want to play Arizona tomorrow). Maybe in a few weeks, it will be better.
 
Those of you who are complaining about the "look" of this team should perhaps remember that no UConn team since 2016 has had an inside presence for the majority of the game. Natalie Butler played behind Napheesa (deservedly so), and Azura never made the starting lineup either (I think because she really wanted to play outside but was unable to make outside shots). ONO was the 6th person last year.

This year, UConn has a significant inside presence for 35 minutes a game. She wants to be there and is getting better with each game. In the first three games, she has avoided foul trouble (we will see if that continues against quality opponents).

Remember that sophomore Stef and freshman Stewie were good enough to win an NC in 2013. This team doesn't have a second big like that one did, but for most of the year, Stewie really wasn't very effective, particularly in the paint. As I recall, the other three starters on that team were Bria, Tiffany, and Kelly. I think that Crystal, Christyn, and Megan are as good as those three, so the question is whether the Anna / Aubrey combo will be as good as freshman Stewie. Probably not, but they may be close. (And will Evelyn / Kyla contribute as much off the bench as freshman Morgan Tuck.)

However, I don't see any team out there that is as scary as Griner/Sims Baylor, or Cox/Brown Baylor. Maybe Oregon is close, but I remain to be convinced that Sabrina is as good against highly athletic competition as she has been against a lesser level of competition. So I think the Final Four is a realistic goal for this year's Huskies, and an NC is not out of the question.
 
JoePgh said:
Those of you who are complaining about the "look" of this team should perhaps remember that no UConn team since 2016 has had an inside presence for the majority of the game. Natalie Butler played behind Napheesa (deservedly so), and Azura never made the starting lineup either (I think because she really wanted to play outside but was unable to make outside shots). ONO was the 6th person last year.

This year, UConn has a significant inside presence for 35 minutes a game. She wants to be there and is getting better with each game. In the first three games, she has avoided foul trouble (we will see if that continues against quality opponents).

Remember that sophomore Stef and freshman Stewie were good enough to win an NC in 2013. This team doesn't have a second big like that one did, but for most of the year, Stewie really wasn't very effective, particularly in the paint. As I recall, the other three starters on that team were Bria, Tiffany, and Kelly. I think that Crystal, Christyn, and Megan are as good as those three, so the question is whether the Anna / Aubrey combo will be as good as freshman Stewie. Probably not, but they may be close. (And will Evelyn / Kyla contribute as much off the bench as freshman Morgan Tuck.)

However, I don't see any team out there that is as scary as Griner/Sims Baylor, or Cox/Brown Baylor. Maybe Oregon is close, but I remain to be convinced that Sabrina is as good against highly athletic competition as she has been against a lesser level of competition. So I think the Final Four is a realistic goal for this year's Huskies, and an NC is not out of the question.
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Stef was a junior when Stewie was a Freshman.
 
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