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ASweet3781 said:
This whole thing is bull . If FSU was so damn passionate about adding good football where were they when Pitt, the poster child for under achieving football, was added.
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In the time machine, going back to the golden era of Pitt football.
 
HuskyBandDad said:
I understand why they took them. I just do not think Rutgers is better then uconn for all the reasons that many have posted here. Are you just being a looking for a fight ?
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If you understand why they took Rutgers (largest DMA in the USA) and still think Uconn was a better option for the big10 then I'm just confused as to what your reasoning is. All they care about is how many cable systems they can force the BTN on. With more TV's in the Rutgers DMA than anywhere in the country it's pretty obvious that to select uconn would have been a curious choice. I'm not arguing that uconn isn't a far superior athletic department but that clearly has nothing to do with any of this.
 
Stinger92860 said:
It probably has less than 1% chance of happening, but how pissed would BC, Pitt and Cuse be if we did indeed go to the B1G. Freaking hilarious.

I would travel well in the B1G. At least 2 road trips a year.
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Frankly, I'd be happy for you to go to the Big 10. I'd rather not be in same league as you guys any longer, just like Rutgers being in the Big 10. It was a great rivalry we've had, but I don't like having to recruit against you guys, and would rather see you in the Big 10, where I think you'll have a hard time, but at least you'll have a seat at the Big Boys table, which you have earned. Good luck. I think you are going to come out of this OK, but it's gotta suck right now, no question.
 
storrsroars said:
So now it's L'Ville and Cincy going in, UConn "likely" to follow... which means it's still remotely possible to B1G I guess. Or nowhere.
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I just don't see Cinci as being a good enough football school to make a difference to Fla State, Va Tech, Ga Tech and Clemson. Louisville at least has some history. Cinci had Brian Kelly. They were nothing before that.
 
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Nebraska had AAU status when they joined the B1G. They didn't lose it until they were already in.
 
phild said:
Nebraska had AAU status when they joined the B1G. They didn't lose it until they were already in.
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Yeah but the Big 10 knew they were gonna lose it and they still took them.
 
IthacaMatt said:
I just don't see Cinci as being a good enough football school to make a difference to Fla State, Va Tech, Ga Tech and Clemson. Louisville at least has some history. Cinci had Brian Kelly. They were nothing before that.
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I might be stupid, but what history does Louisville have?

They had one good year in 1990 under Schnellenberger, who went on to coach D2, but only started winning again in 1998 under Smith, all the way through 2005-6 under Petrino. Louisville history, as best I can tell, consists of about 9 or 10 good seasons within a span of 16 or 17 years. all of them recent. Prior to 2004, all those seasons were in a weak CUSA.

Granted, Cincy was MAC level prior to its BE entry, but I'm having a hard time being impressed here.
 
phild said:
Nebraska had AAU status when they joined the B1G. They didn't lose it until they were already in.
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The Big10 honchos tried to take it away from Nebraska well before Nebraska joined the conference. In fact, they rigged the procedures to kick Nebraska out.
 
HuskyfanDan said:
bingo. the had it argument is for ppl searching to make noise. the b10 has been after nd for years and we always hear the aau doesnt matter cause its nd. maybe the aau thing isnt what most of u crazy ppl think it is to a sports conf.
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Not trying to make noise, just being realistic. Also, while the Big Ten may have been aware that Nebraska was at risk of losing AAU status, there is no way that they could have known they would for sure lose it. Nebraska was invited to join in the summer of 2010, the vote to remove them wasn't until almost a full year later. Nebraska had similar circumstances happen previously, and was able to maintain membership, so it wasn't an unfair assumption to think they would be able to survive another vote, especially with all the B1G schools voting for them to keep it.

While the B1G is a sports conference, every member is also part of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation, which makes it an academic conference as well. The presidents of the schools vote on membership, not the ADs or Delany.
 
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phild said:
Not trying to make noise, just being realistic. Also, while the Big Ten may have been aware that Nebraska was at risk of losing AAU status, there is no way that they could have known they would for sure lose it. Nebraska was invited to join in the summer of 2010, the vote to remove them wasn't until almost a full year later. Nebraska had similar circumstances happen previously, and was able to maintain membership, so it wasn't an unfair assumption to think they would be able to survive another vote, especially with all the B1G schools voting for them to keep it.

While the B1G is a sports conference, every member is also part of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation, which makes it an academic conference as well. The presidents of the schools vote on membership, not the ADs or Delany.
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This is wrong.

The heads of the committee met in 2009 to oust Nebraska. The chair was the Prez of Michigan, and the assistant was Wisky's Pres., who is now at Amherst. When the vote was about to be taken, the Prez. took an informal poll and realized she didn't have the votes to oust Nebraska. So she postponed the vote on Nebraska's membership. She had the knives out already--and this was well before Nebraska was in talks to become a member. When the committee reconvened a year later (after Nebraska had been admitted to the Big10) she stacked it. Graham Spanier, the Prez. at the time at PSU and the former Prez. of Nebraska, told his counterpart at Nebraska exactly how the deal went down, he explained exactly who stabbed him in the back, and worse than that, he said that they wanted Nebraska out in 2009 but didn't have the votes, so they rigged the committee.
 
upstater said:
This is wrong.

The heads of the committee met in 2009 to oust Nebraska. The chair was the Prez of Michigan, and the assistant was Wisky's Pres., who is now at Amherst. When the vote was about to be taken, the Prez. took an informal poll and realized she didn't have the votes to oust Nebraska. So she postponed the vote on Nebraska's membership. She had the knives out already--and this was well before Nebraska was in talks to become a member. When the committee reconvened a year later (after Nebraska had been admitted to the Big10) she stacked it. Graham Spanier, the Prez. at the time at PSU and the former Prez. of Nebraska, told his counterpart at Nebraska exactly how the deal went down, he explained exactly who stabbed him in the back, and worse than that, he said that they wanted Nebraska out in 2009 but didn't have the votes, so they rigged the committee.
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Do you have a source for this? While I don't doubt the University of Michigan's arrogance, they don't speak for the entire B1G, and Nebraska obviously had enough support to get into the B1G with or without them.

Look, I'm not trying to be negative. UConn is right in the middle of the B1G based on national rankings so I'm not saying they're not worthy of AAU, and I agree with the other post that says it's a matter of time before they apply. I'm just saying that the AAU membership is key to getting an invite, and if the B1G expands further (and that's still a pretty big if at this point), they'll likely use AAU as a criteria just so they can claim they're better than the other big conferences even if they constantly get wrecked in the football rankings.
 
Two things that we hoped were not actually an issue for the Big Ten were clearly defined as issues last week by Jim Delaney....

""We said, how do we participate in the new paradigm? Our answer was let's look at contiguous states first, let's look at AAU members first, and let's figure out if there is a way to continue to bridge from Penn State into the Mid-Atlantic. Is there a way to collaborate with like institutions, to grow our footprint, to compete and to position ourselves for the future? We determined this is the best way to accomplish those ends."


I don't think there is any reason to be optimistic about UConn's chance at Big Ten membership. The first time the Big Ten expanded, they evaluated a number of schools and dismissed the likes of Missouri, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, etc. - those schools have all proven to be more desirable properties than UConn. They're not bumping us up now.

On the ACC - I think we perfect storm'd this one. We have somehow managed to make a shambles of our two major programs at a time when Louisville has managed not to trip on their own dicks. The perception in our programs could not possibly be more divergent.

We're even going to send our football team to be slaughtered in Louisville today while their basketball team gets to beat Duke in a preseason tournament. By Sunday morning, any UConn supporters in high places in the ACC will be looking for cover.

We've drawn a royal flush of disaster - two years ago, we roll through this - the ACC doesn't even stop to consider Louisville.
 
Fishy said:
Two things that we hoped were not actually an issue for the Big Ten were clearly defined as issues last week by Jim Delaney....

""We said, how do we participate in the new paradigm? Our answer was let's look at contiguous states first, let's look at AAU members first, and let's figure out if there is a way to continue to bridge from Penn State into the Mid-Atlantic. Is there a way to collaborate with like institutions, to grow our footprint, to compete and to position ourselves for the future? We determined this is the best way to accomplish those ends."


I don't think there is any reason to be optimistic about UConn's chance at Big Ten membership. The first time the Big Ten expanded, they evaluated a number of schools and dismissed the likes of Missouri, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, etc. - those schools have all proven to be more desirable properties than UConn. They're not bumping us up now.

On the ACC - I think we perfect storm'd this one. We have somehow managed to make a shambles of our two major programs at a time when Louisville has managed not to trip on their own dicks. The perception in our programs could not possibly be more divergent.

We're even going to send our football team to be slaughtered in Louisville today while their basketball team gets to beat Duke in a preseason tournament. By Sunday morning, any UConn supporters in high places in the ACC will be looking for cover.

We've drawn a royal flush of disaster - two years ago, we roll through this - the ACC doesn't even stop to consider Louisville.
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Is the process really going to be determined by one seasons results on the court/ field? It seems to be there would be a bit more to it than that
 
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phild said:
Do you have a source for this? While I don't doubt the University of Michigan's arrogance, they don't speak for the entire B1G, and Nebraska obviously had enough support to get into the B1G with or without them.

Look, I'm not trying to be negative. UConn is right in the middle of the B1G based on national rankings so I'm not saying they're not worthy of AAU, and I agree with the other post that says it's a matter of time before they apply. I'm just saying that the AAU membership is key to getting an invite, and if the B1G expands further (and that's still a pretty big if at this point), they'll likely use AAU as a criteria just so they can claim they're better than the other big conferences even if they constantly get wrecked in the football rankings.
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Let's agree to disagree.

Michigan and Wisconsin, the schools that opposed Nebraska being in the AAU BEFORE Nebraska joined the AAU, voted in favor of Nebraska's entry into the B10. When interviewed on the subject, Wisky's President (now Pres. at Amherst Coll.) said that the AAU was not discussed at all during Nebraska's entry into the conference. Maybe she was lying because she opposed Nebraska for the AAU. It could be. But she opposed them there, and voted in favor of them for the Big10.

I tend to think that administrators put much more stock in academic organizations, much less stock in athletic conferences, as long as their schools are in a good conference, protected. The ADs however are concerned about competition (i.e. playing against schools with lower admission standards). Stanford seems to do just fine, but there are only so many Stanfords.
 
Fishy said:
""We said, how do we participate in the new paradigm? Our answer was let's look at contiguous states first, let's look at AAU members first, and let's figure out if there is a way to continue to bridge from Penn State into the Mid-Atlantic. Is there a way to collaborate with like institutions, to grow our footprint, to compete and to position ourselves for the future? We determined this is the best way to accomplish those ends."
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They've said this since forever. What they say and what they do are two separate things. The ACC has also said things about academics. I'm not hanging my hat on them.
 
MattMang23 said:
Do we respect Eerlaw?
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Matt, Matt, Matt, the BY respects all posters w/ positive news re: UConn and discounts Ll posters w/ negative news. You've been around long enough to know this.
 
Fishy said:
Two things that we hoped were not actually an issue for the Big Ten were clearly defined as issues last week by Jim Delaney....

""We said, how do we participate in the new paradigm? Our answer was let's look at contiguous states first, let's look at AAU members first, and let's figure out if there is a way to continue to bridge from Penn State into the Mid-Atlantic. Is there a way to collaborate with like institutions, to grow our footprint, to compete and to position ourselves for the future? We determined this is the best way to accomplish those ends."


I don't think there is any reason to be optimistic about UConn's chance at Big Ten membership. The first time the Big Ten expanded, they evaluated a number of schools and dismissed the likes of Missouri, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, etc. - those schools have all proven to be more desirable properties than UConn. They're not bumping us up now.

On the ACC - I think we perfect storm'd this one. We have somehow managed to make a shambles of our two major programs at a time when Louisville has managed not to trip on their own dicks. The perception in our programs could not possibly be more divergent.

We're even going to send our football team to be slaughtered in Louisville today while their basketball team gets to beat Duke in a preseason tournament. By Sunday morning, any UConn supporters in high places in the ACC will be looking for cover.

We've drawn a royal flush of disaster - two years ago, we roll through this - the ACC doesn't even stop to consider Louisville.
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Of all the people to freak out, I would have never expected you to be one of them.

Louisville will run the score up on UConn, winning 49-10 or something like that. And Clemson's AD will fire off an email to the rest of his girlfriends in the ACC saying "I told you so". And then the Associate Commissioner of Media Relations will send back the same email he has sent over and over. The one that says Louisville is a poor city in a poor state with a bunch of inbred hillbillies, and there are 7 BCS programs within a 3 hour drive, including programs like Ohio State and Tennessee. Then he will send over Connecticut's demographic data, including its high PCI, lack of pro competition in the market. And the fact that while there are only 2 BCS programs within a 3 hour drive of UConn, both of whom suck, and there is roughly 15% of the population and close to 25% of the country's net worth within that same range. And that will be the end of the debate.

Unless Louisville figures out a way to move its program, and improve its academics, by Monday, I think it is going to lose. The Cardinals best hope is that both UConn and Louisville are taken.
 
SAMCRO said:
Matt, Matt, Matt, the BY respects all posters w/ positive news re: UConn and discounts Ll posters w/ negative news. You've been around long enough to know this.
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Indeed I have. This expansion stuff is causing me to lose my mind and think funny. OK, so we respect Eerlaw.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Of all the people to freak out, I would have never expected you to be one of them.
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I have long, long history of freaking the duck* out.

I'm not even going to watch the game today - we have family over and I can't subject them to that.
 
husky210 said:
Eerlaw always seemed to be respected on BGN. If that says anything about anything that gives him a leg up in my mind over the opinions of the dude or mhver
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I respect whoever has the funniest signature pictures. I enjoy mhveer, for instance, because of that picture of the dude with the honking big old cell phone.
 
Fishy said:
Two things that we hoped were not actually an issue for the Big Ten were clearly defined as issues last week by Jim Delaney....

""We said, how do we participate in the new paradigm? Our answer was let's look at contiguous states first, let's look at AAU members first, and let's figure out if there is a way to continue to bridge from Penn State into the Mid-Atlantic. Is there a way to collaborate with like institutions, to grow our footprint, to compete and to position ourselves for the future? We determined this is the best way to accomplish those ends."


I don't think there is any reason to be optimistic about UConn's chance at Big Ten membership. The first time the Big Ten expanded, they evaluated a number of schools and dismissed the likes of Missouri, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, etc. - those schools have all proven to be more desirable properties than UConn. They're not bumping us up now.

On the ACC - I think we perfect storm'd this one. We have somehow managed to make a shambles of our two major programs at a time when Louisville has managed not to trip on their own dicks. The perception in our programs could not possibly be more divergent.

We're even going to send our football team to be slaughtered in Louisville today while their basketball team gets to beat Duke in a preseason tournament. By Sunday morning, any UConn supporters in high places in the ACC will be looking for cover.

We've drawn a royal flush of disaster - two years ago, we roll through this - the ACC doesn't even stop to consider Louisville.
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Agree. I don't like it but I could not agree more. It the end I think we get into the ACC but it is far closer then I would like. I think that we'd be a good fit in the B1G over time, but I agree that it isn't going to happen.
 
jostar1 said:
"We said, how do we participate in the new paradigm? Our answer was let's look at contiguous states first, let's look at AAU members first, ..."

Well, they did that first. Now they're at second.
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Yes!

We're number 2!!

Wait, that doesn't sound right...
 
phild said:
Nebraska had AAU status when they joined the B1G. They didn't lose it until they were already in.
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So, based on your thinking, ND would be rejected because they aren't AAU either! Dumb
 
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