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Andrew Harrison on Kaminsky: "duck* that n****r"

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CTFIRERETIRED said:
Thankfully it was a black saying this. If it had been a white player, there would have been investigations, protests, and an uproar. Let's move on.
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Why should be be able to say that and not face any consequences. A white kid would be pilloried in the press and media.
 
WillB4 said:
Why should be be able to say that and not face any consequences. A white kid would be pilloried in the press and media.
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UConniki said:
How about the use of the word , on live tv, does he get a pass on that too ?
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Because there are basically two usages for that word. The first is a young generation slang term without racial implications that can be either endearing or contemptuous. The second is a multi generational use that is only meant as a racially derogatory slur.

A black kid is only using it with the slang intent of a young generation. People will have to decide if he is using it as an endearment or with derision. A white kid could be using it with either implication. People would have to decide if there was a racial slant behind it.
 
Harrison said it in "jest" so I will surmise that he is nothing but a no-NCAA title winning overrated jester.
 
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I don't understand why so many white folks are so frustrated about not being able to drop N-bombs around. Yes, there's a double standard because black people and white people aren't the same. For those of you who find it confusing that he isn't going to be in that much trouble, here's a tip: Stop pretending to be stupid, and the world will puzzle you a lot less.
 
J-dog said:
You need to strain to hear anything in that clip. He was obviously reacting to a tough loss & while being forced to the podium minutes after his season came to an end. He certainly wasn't making a public comment. It's a joke if anything comes of this…

Just leave the kid alone.
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LEAVE ANDREW ALONE! I'M SERIOUS!!!!
 
fleudslipcon said:
Some people don't understand it. Which is why I explained it for them.
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I wish we could say it was something stupid and move on. But people here always feel the need to make it about something greater.

It was a kid who said something he shouldn't. A black kid about a white kid. It was dumb but it doesn't have the same resonance if Kaminsky said that about Harrison. History matters. But that counter-factual need not have even been brought up.
 
tzznandrew said:
I wish we could say it was something stupid and move on. But people here always feel the need to make it about something greater.

It was a kid who said something he shouldn't. A black kid about a white kid. It was dumb but it doesn't have the same resonance if Kaminsky said that about Harrison. History matters. But that counter-factual need not have even been brought up.
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Well it's kind of like if Ace Watanasurparp got mad at Dievendorf and used an anti-Asian slur against him, or if you had a sandwich you didn't like and screamed "this pizza sucks!" When the term used doesn't logically apply, the severity of the barb is very much compromised.
 
joober jones said:
Well it's kind of like if Ace Watanasurparp got mad at Dievendorf and used an anti-Asian slur against him, or if you had a sandwich you didn't like and screamed "this pizza sucks!" When the term used doesn't logically apply, the severity of the barb is very much compromised.
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I wish I could like this twice because of the reference to Ace Watanasurparp.
 
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tzznandrew said:
I wish we could say it was something stupid and move on. But people here always feel the need to make it about something greater.

It was a kid who said something he shouldn't. A black kid about a white kid. It was dumb but it doesn't have the same resonance if Kaminsky said that about Harrison. History matters. But that counter-factual need not have even been brought up.
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I think there are people who want to reduce racial bigotry by trying to invent an argument about a reverse double standard (NOT IMPLYING PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT IN THIS THREAD). However there are also people who are unfamiliar with slang, lingo, generational variations of words, insults and so on. These people are sincerely concerned about hatred of any sort. It behooves us to take a balanced approach to these subjects and offer people the benefit of doubt. Which is why I like discourse. Without discourse we can't get to the heart of a our differences. Of course discourse fails with people who are not interested in ascertaining if their arguments are infallible and argue purely for arguing's sake. But even when that group takes hold, there can be value in these types of threads if people who are thoughtful participate in the discussions without getting engaged or entangled with said individuals.

As an aside, one of my pet peeves was when people automatically said someone was PC. It became so commonplace (and many times inaccurate) that I felt it was PC for people to say PC. I've noticed a significant reduction in the usage of this phrase for the better imo.

As a further aside, there is a part of me that enjoys pandering to my base self. For instance I have taken immense pleasure over Calipari's loss and Syracuse's sanctions. Does that make me a better person? Not by a long shot in my opinion. What it does make me is human. And it makes me understand first hand the need for me to have compassion, tolerance and forgiveness towards others, as I hope to have them and myself offer me. This is a valuable lesson on any day including Easter.
 
Fishy said:
Either way, who cares?

Struggling to understand the rationale behind posting this one.
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Because Cal's full year coronation shtick was kind of grating, people are enjoying watching the wheels fall off the bus.
 
CAHUSKY said:
Really. You don't understand the difference? Good lord.
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Good God. Yes, context is meaningless. All uses of the word -- whether meant to be harmful, meant to be a quote of someone else or meant to be a sign of respect or affection -- should be treated exactly the same.

My son played two years of AAU Basketball. He was called a all the time by black players, sometimes as a show of respect and sometimes just to see if it threw him. It never occurred to him that that made it acceptable for him to call one of his black opponents a back.

Of course, he was just a teenager then. Luckily, we have all these adults to show us how context is irrelevant.
 
The first I heard about this was the ESPN crawl saying that Harrison apologized for using a racial slur and thinking "so what"? Who cares about a word like "honky" or "cracker"? When I saw that he said the n-word, I thought it was funny. Something or nothing? Nothing.
 
The N word usage may well be culturally acceptable to Harrison's peers but it is distracting to rest of us. So let's eliminate that issue by substituting the word "guy" for it. Would anyone be okay with it he had said " guy?"
 
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CTFIRERETIRED said:
yeah, everyone would like to think so, but you know for fact that if it had been Kaminsky saying what Harrison had said, the airwaves would have been hot with comments, calling it racism, etc. Let's not be hypocrites, here.
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well yea, obviously....the whole "n*gg*r" being used as a derogatory term towards african americans by white people for 150+ years would probably make it a bit worse if Kaminsky said it. There was very clearly nothing remotely racist about what Harrison said, like the poster above, he meant " dude". I guess it could be strange for some of you, but I would bet Harrison says something along those lines 20 times a day (christ, im pretty sure the nba put in a rule that guys couldnt say it because they said it so often and they were "protecting" the fans not the players)-the difference being he's in a dorm or at the gym or in class snickering to someone next to him and not over a hot mic minutes after a final four loss.

This is one of those complete non-stories that will get blown up by the PC police so they can show everyone how strong of a stance they take against "racism, racist culture and racist language". There is no story. Even if the kid didn't apologize and again, what did he apoligize for? Are there people alive in America who heard that and immediately felt for the delicate sensitivity of FK? But he did apologize, almost immediately and even if he only did so because he got caught, at least he shows he's not too stupid to "play the game". And now I'm writing an essay about how stupid this entire issue is because there are people living in american angry that a black kid can get away with accidentally dropping a soft n bomb towards a white kid in front of a hot mic because if the white kid said it he would get in trouble. Hypothetical trouble.
 
nyhusky89 said:
well yea, obviously....the whole "n*gg*r" being used as a derogatory term towards african americans by white people for 150+ years would probably make it a bit worse if Kaminsky said it. There was very clearly nothing remotely racist about what Harrison said, like the poster above, he meant " dude". I guess it could be strange for some of you, but I would bet Harrison says something along those lines 20 times a day (christ, im pretty sure the nba put in a rule that guys couldnt say it because they said it so often and they were "protecting" the fans not the players)-the difference being he's in a dorm or at the gym or in class snickering to someone next to him and not over a hot mic minutes after a final four loss.

This is one of those complete non-stories that will get blown up by the PC police so they can show everyone how strong of a stance they take against "racism, racist culture and racist language". There is no story. Even if the kid didn't apologize and again, what did he apoligize for? Are there people alive in America who heard that and immediately felt for the delicate sensitivity of FK? But he did apologize, almost immediately and even if he only did so because he got caught, at least he shows he's not too stupid to "play the game". And now I'm writing an essay about how stupid this entire issue is because there are people living in american angry that a black kid can get away with accidentally dropping a soft n bomb towards a white kid in front of a hot mic because if the white kid said it he would get in trouble. Hypothetical trouble.
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See, I don't think it's the PC police on this one. I think it's the people who don't like being told what they should and should not say, and are playing gotcha because here it's a black kid saying it about a white kid.
 
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CTFIRERETIRED said:
yeah, everyone would like to think so, but you know for fact that if it had been Kaminsky saying what Harrison had said, the airwaves would have been hot with comments, calling it racism, etc. Let's not be hypocrites, here.
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Because if it had been a white guy saying it the word wouldnt be "nigga" id be "" which would mean something completely different. come on man.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
In 2015, people "don't understand" on purpose.
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It's not only that it wasn't offensive. The people that 'don't understand' are ignoring that it was a compliment.
 
CallMeBruce said:
See, I don't think it's the PC police on this one. I think it's the people who don't like being told what they should and should not say, and are playing gotcha because here it's a black kid saying it about a white kid.
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yea you're probably right about that one. The vitriol does seem to be flowing from the other side screaming "see, he said it, why can he say it? Why isn't he in trouble" Hearing the word and entirely missing a-the situation context where the kid clearly did not intend to say " that low down black man" and b-the larger context of the word in which is has been perhaps the most derogatory term ever coined specifically for white men to talk about african americans.
 
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