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And here we go....

I just have the feeling that no good can come from this. Just intuition really. Willing to be convinced otherwise.

I do have a couple questions.

The SA does not need to be on scholarship to conclude commercial deals, right? So walk-ons can get access too?

What rules govern D2 and D3 now? Any?
 
RSTuthill said:
I just have the feeling that no good can come from this. Just intuition really. Willing to be convinced otherwise.

I do have a couple questions.

The SA does not need to be on scholarship to conclude commercial deals, right? So walk-ons can get access too?

What rules govern D2 and D3 now? Any?
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I think NIL applies to all college athletes regardless D1, D2, or D3? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Also, I can see this might create some serious resentment etc. On teams where many grunts (OL, people who play D or rebound on bball teams etc.) will have some major resentments if star players get all the endorsement and NIL deals etc. In many sports, you can always manufacture stars if you give that person all the opportunities in the world. If you let one person shoot 30 times a game vs only 5 for others, it is easy to promote the person who can score more to be a superstar even though that same person might not play much defense. This could turn into a nightmare for many coaches.
 
Actually there are a few possible outcomes.
1. everything goes to hell
2. College sports at the D1 level become de facto minor pro leagues and players earn comparable salaries. I suspect the whole system crashes as fans stay away in droves. In the current market Alabama has to threaten students to keep them at games. What happens when they are more Nike Crimson tide than Alabama Crimson Tide?
3. This is a passing fantasy. Remember when traffic was backed up to Hartford when that donut place opened on the Berlin Tunpike? Now that place is a dentist or some such thing. It is a real pissibility that in 2 or 5 years companies figure out that these are generally bad investments of their marketing dollars. So they spend differently.
4. Nike et al buy a few teams with the highest market potential and they form a national league. Everyone else goes back to essentially what goes on now but more like 1aa.
 
I heard a radical idea and it probably will gain momentum and that is for a class action against the ncaa for the past. No way to possibly settle such a suit without bankrupting the schools because if it goes to trial. If that scenario plays out then the system gets dismantled with more losers than winners.
 
freescooter said:
Actually there are a few possible outcomes.
1. everything goes to hell
2. College sports at the D1 level become de facto minor pro leagues and players earn comparable salaries. I suspect the whole system crashes as fans stay away in droves. In the current market Alabama has to threaten students to keep them at games. What happens when they are more Nike Crimson tide than Alabama Crimson Tide?
3. This is a passing fantasy. Remember when traffic was backed up to Hartford when that donut place opened on the Berlin Tunpike? Now that place is a dentist or some such thing. It is a real pissibility that in 2 or 5 years companies figure out that these are generally bad investments of their marketing dollars. So they spend differently.
4. Nike et al buy a few teams with the highest market potential and they form a national league. Everyone else goes back to essentially what goes on now but more like 1aa.
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This is the same Alabama that had 42,000 at the spring scrimmage this year....and averaged 101,000 in the stands in 2019...before the covid years.
 
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If this newly transparent version of "follow the money" is where it's all headed, we need to make our own splash in the recruiting sweepstakes. It would behoove corporations and businesses in the state to start offering UConn athletes some big time personal service contracts.
 
billybud said:
Miami is currently #78 in Rivals Class Rankings (football)....Way behind FSU and Florida. And I can't see the addition of $6000 per year by a Golden Cane booster's company as anything but an enticement for recruits...sure $6000 isn't much, but to a kid without a lot of family support, it will get attention.

By the end of this recruiting cycle, I see Miami rising 60 plus places.
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They are going to rise in those rankings anyway once a bunch of kids decide. They have been doing pretty well recruiting and I don't think this will be a giant game changer for them. Not once we start seeing what may happen in other places anyway. I'm just wondering what some of the craziest deals will end up being, because you know there is giant money just waiting to come out into the open.
 
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If they started 25 years ago arranging for weekend stipends, family travel, and deferred compensation contingent on 4 years of participation with graduation within 5 years this brave new world could have been delayed for quite some time. They were wrong when they came down hard on Jeremy Bloom (Colorado) for skiing endorsements unrelated to football, and have been pretending they could just maintain the status quo since. The smartest guys in the room turned out to be a bunch of out of touch dinosaurs.
 
Jimdish255 said:
If they started 25 years ago arranging for weekend stipends, family travel, and deferred compensation contingent on 4 years of participation with graduation within 5 years this brave new world could have been delayed for quite some time. They were wrong when they came down hard on Jeremy Bloom (Colorado) for skiing endorsements unrelated to football, and have been pretending they could just maintain the status quo since. The smartest guys in the room turned out to be a bunch of out of touch dinosaurs.
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Agree. The whole horse and pony show of amateurism, as coaches, administrators made millions off the products on the fields/courts was a house of cards all along. Everyone involved knew it and continued whistling past the graveyard until outside intervention had to happen.
 
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The gym owner in Miami is basically starting a Miami football SuperPAC.

From the article on ESPN,

"Lambert has also started a corporation, called Bring Back The U, that will be solely focused on putting money in the pockets of Miami football players. He said the company will attempt to rally support from local businesses to hire the players as spokesmen. He says he also plans to host fundraising events and then donate the proceeds to any local business that agrees to use the donation to pay for Miami players as spokesmen"

Who is going to be UCONN's guy? Big opportunity for someone to make a name for himself. We need a wealthy UCONN football fan with entrepreneurial spirit, or maybe you just need entrepreneurial spirit and time to engage in fundraising activities.,
 
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The corruption from this is going to be astounding. Criminal influence will also find its way to the table. How we fail to recognize the past and learn it is just unreal. Such a shame.
 
Miami's Yachthookergate scandal with Shapiro shows that they were forwatd thinking...in tune with the current times

Shapiro said he gave money, cars, yacht trips, jewelry, televisions and other gifts to a list of players including Vince Wilfork, Jon Beason, Antrel Rolle, Devin Hester, Willis McGahee and the late Sean Taylor of the Washington Redskins.

When Shapiro was sentenced, the U.S. Attorney's Office said he "used investor funds to make payments to dozens of student athletes who were attending a local university in the Miami area to which Shapiro made significant donations ... cash in amounts up to $10,000 and gifts such as jewelry and entertainment at nightclubs and restaurants in Miami Beach. As a result of a 10-year gift to the university, its Student-Athlete Lounge was named for Shapiro."
 
metsfan2323 said:
The gym owner in Miami is basically starting a Miami football SuperPAC.

From the article on ESPN,

"Lambert has also started a corporation, called Bring Back The U, that will be solely focused on putting money in the pockets of Miami football players. He said the company will attempt to rally support from local businesses to hire the players as spokesmen. He says he also plans to host fundraising events and then donate the proceeds to any local business that agrees to use the donation to pay for Miami players as spokesmen"

Who is going to be UCONN's guy? Big opportunity for someone to make a name for himself. We need a wealthy UCONN football fan with entrepreneurial spirit, or maybe you just need entrepreneurial spirit and time to engage in fundraising activities.,
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It's not going to be a football focus at this school unfortunately. Look for a wealthy basketball setup though. It won't cost as much either as you are only covering 20 something players vs 85.

It would be nice if we could get a football one set up with high money. I'm sure they'll be something for individual players, but I don't know if there is enough interest for there to be someone to set up something that would be for a whole team. There's just no history or prominence at this school. It's a basketball school first and that's where the money will be funneled to. I wouldn't be shocked if the women's team gets more NIL deals than the football team. Bueckers is going to get PAID big time because of her social media presence.
 
I expect basketball to fund at higher average levels than football....smaller numbers on roster as you post...and I expect that regional/local fandom and popularity of team will play in....maybe more than national.

UConn, in the greater NY/New England area, may be positioned to be a regional leader in NIL income for basketball players.
 
billybud said:
I expect basketball to fund at higher average levels than football....smaller numbers on roster as you post...and I expect that regional/local fandom and popularity of team will play in....maybe more than national.

UConn, in the greater NY/New England area, may be positioned to be a regional leader in NIL income for basketball players.
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Probably true, but all it takes is one wealthy football fan with a business he wants to market to sports fans.

We know the potential is there for UCONN to succeed at football, the facilities are already in place. The Rent was once known as one of the countries loudest stadiums and we saw what the place looked like for the Michigan game. This is not ancient history this is within the last 11 years.

One person can make a difference.
 
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In a number of cases parents are the actual gatekeepers in recruiting. Now their role is going to change dramatically, trying to figure out who they want their kids taking money from. Do they care if it's from the car dealer, the billionaire, the booster club or the real estate guy? Are there people you don't want your kid involved with or will the size of the check determine where they go? This could really get crazy because they never had a plan for what was inevitable.
 
Duke has put out NIL guidance:

A Duke student-athlete may obtain professional representation by an athlete agent, attorney, or financial advisor who is engaged by the student-athlete for the purpose of securing payments for the use of the student-athlete’s NIL, or otherwise advising the student-athlete concerning NIL. Any such agent, attorney, or financial advisor must be registered with Duke University,and, to the extent required by North Carolina General Statutes Chapter 78,by the state of North Carolina. Representatives must also comply with the federal Sports Agent Responsibility and Trust Act, as applicable. All representation must be disclosed to Duke University in a manner prescribed by the Department of Athletics.
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freescooter said:
Well this was a court decision, not a legislative or executive one.
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Palatine lives in a world that ... these institutional structures confuse him. apparently, his Connecticut high school let you drool all through civics government lessons
 
Nostical said:
If you were wondering how much meet and greets with autographs would be going for, feast your eyes on this.

"How much is that signature worth? Some early prices for meet and greets and autograph signings with Dreamfield:"

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Ha, great for them- but I laugh because I can’t really fathom paying for a college player autograph….but yeah go for it.


oh yeah, you do it because you “care” about the program!
 
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IMHO this will turn out to be not a big deal at most schools once the dust settles. The NFL drafts about 255 players each year who may get the big $$ for NIL payments in college. There are about 12,650 Div 1A players, most of whom will get nothing. Many may get local deals to advertise a local car dealership or restaurant. Most players will just get their school's cost of living payments.
 
SU1968 said:
IMHO this will turn out to be not a big deal at most schools once the dust settles. The NFL drafts about 255 players each year who may get the big $$ for NIL payments in college. There are about 12,650 Div 1A players, most of whom will get nothing. Many may get local deals to advertise a local car dealership or restaurant. Most players will just get their school's cost of living payments.
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If you don't think athletic departments are going to use this as an opportunity to get absolute recruiting advantages you are kidding yourself. Some schools (certainly not all) will juice this into big money to land recruits. IMHO, this will further the divide between the haves and the have nots.

Again, think about what the SEC programs can and probably will do with this. For all intent and purposes they will recruit with dollars to offer and will use that advantage to put the best rosters in place.
 
metsfan2323 said:
The gym owner in Miami is basically starting a Miami football SuperPAC.

From the article on ESPN,

"Lambert has also started a corporation, called Bring Back The U, that will be solely focused on putting money in the pockets of Miami football players. He said the company will attempt to rally support from local businesses to hire the players as spokesmen. He says he also plans to host fundraising events and then donate the proceeds to any local business that agrees to use the donation to pay for Miami players as spokesmen"

Who is going to be UCONN's guy? Big opportunity for someone to make a name for himself. We need a wealthy UCONN football fan with entrepreneurial spirit, or maybe you just need entrepreneurial spirit and time to engage in fundraising activities.,
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If you are waiting for that, you might as well be waiting for Godot.
 
SU1968 said:
IMHO this will turn out to be not a big deal at most schools once the dust settles. The NFL drafts about 255 players each year who may get the big $$ for NIL payments in college. There are about 12,650 Div 1A players, most of whom will get nothing. Many may get local deals to advertise a local car dealership or restaurant. Most players will just get their school's cost of living payments.
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This is what I mean when I say it might be like the donut shop. For a couple of years it was all we heard about. When it opened it was a traffic nightmare with backups going all the way to Hartford and New Britain. Then after a while people figured out that it was just a donut. In this people will figure out it’s just another part-time job that a very busy guy has to deal with, and for the business, another expense that can easily be cut if business calls for it. Maybe for 10-15 guys it is a big deal. For most it isn’t. Maybe the right guard gets beer money. The backup power forward gets money for gas. The point guard with a personality gets a good payment. The talented but shy linebacker doesn’t. Using last years UConn hoops as an example I could see an understated guy like Bouknight getting less from this than a more animated if less talented guy might.
 
uconndogs said:
If you don't think athletic departments are going to use this as an opportunity to get absolute recruiting advantages you are kidding yourself. Some schools (certainly not all) will juice this into big money to land recruits. IMHO, this will further the divide between the haves and the have nots.

Again, think about what the SEC programs can and probably will do with this. For all intent and purposes they will recruit with dollars to offer and will use that advantage to put the best rosters in place.
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They pretty much already do this to put the best rosters in place, probably Duke, UNCheat, Kentucky, LSU, etc. in basketball also.

Market economics will adjust pricing/competition once the dust settles. 5 star type athletes will be looking at good payments while lesser guys will probably need to get something or coaches won't be able to manage/coach teams effectively. People quickly figure out where they are in pecking order of potential income. There aren't many Bouknights/Paiges type players. They will get theirs.

If you want to compete in Div. 1 athletics you need to learn how to get your athletes NIL deals without running afoul of the laws/rules (or at least not getting caught). A "very involved" rich guy can really impact a particular school/sport.

It will be interesting to see if this NIL deal has different impacts on different sports. Baseball players have potential big paydays if they make majors, softball not so much. Boys basketball players make it big talking multimillions, girls ok but not nearly as much. Will the "fairness" crew have an issue with "gender equality" of NIL deals?
 
Husky68 said:
They pretty much already do this to put the best rosters in place, probably Duke, UNCheat, Kentucky, LSU, etc. in basketball also.

Market economics will adjust pricing/competition once the dust settles. 5 star type athletes will be looking at good payments while lesser guys will probably need to get something or coaches won't be able to manage/coach teams effectively. People quickly figure out where they are in pecking order of potential income. There aren't many Bouknights/Paiges type players. They will get theirs.

If you want to compete in Div. 1 athletics you need to learn how to get your athletes NIL deals without running afoul of the laws/rules (or at least not getting caught). A "very involved" rich guy can really impact a particular school/sport.

It will be interesting to see if this NIL deal has different impacts on different sports. Baseball players have potential big paydays if they make majors, softball not so much. Boys basketball players make it big talking multimillions, girls ok but not nearly as much. Will the "fairness" crew have an issue with "gender equality" of NIL deals?
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I think you make a good point. Schools that want their coaches to be successful will have to create a baseline compensation for their players. If they can't do that there will be conflict within the team. There also might be a point of diminishing returns with highly compensated players becoming uncoachable and hurting the reputations of their sponsors and the team. One thing's for sure. It won't be boring.
 
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