And here we go....

[WestCoastHusky]

https://www.fresnobee.com/sports/college/mountain-west/fresno-state/article252490978.html

It is just the beginning. More crazy deals will be coming, and companies will be competing to offer better and better deals to players. It is end of the NCAA and amateurism. College athletes are now essentially pro athletes for all practical purposes.

 

[billybud]

LOL...UNC boosters actually just received an email telling them that it wasn't alright to just give an athlete money.

 

[billybud]

But...the guidelines from the NCAA allow boosters to pay for endorsements...own a restauarant, clothing store, etc...pay for the endorsement....

And smart folks, like at Miami, are organizing these endorsement deals.

 

[Exit 4]

Letting the kids earn a living however they can is the way it should be. Unintended consequences be damned. There is no other way forward.

I really don't think it will change things too much...except when the occasional billionaire steps up and showers a program with money...but then that program has to go win and that still wont be easy.

I think the landscape still has a chance to play out like the MLB. Some loaded teams will still underperform and there will still be some upstarts....just fewer. The ugly part might come when the upstarts have a lot of one and done kids moving up to the next cash level (ie G5 to P5) after break out seasons. But to move a player up, another player has to move down. Anyway- the horse is coming out of the barn this month....and never going back.

 

[metsfan2323]

I expect SMU to rise again with this new system (football and basketball). It's game on again with their very wealthy boosters. Here comes the Pony Express 2.0.

 

[CL82]

Letting the kids earn a living however they can is the way it should be. Unintended consequences be damned. There is no other way forward.

Sort of agree, although by your logic point shaving for cash should be fine as well.

The NCAA could have put together a much more thoughtful and logical framework and they just punted. That's why we are left with the wild west. NIL should, under the framework be allowed based on personal value. Value that is derived merely because you sign with a given team, shouldn't be allowed. American Top Ten's because kids signed with Miami should be a violation. It isn't allowing kids to earn money from their NIL it is a booster payment to an entire team.

FWIW, I had never heard of this company (some kind of MMA training facility or something.) For a half million dollars he just bought a ton of name recognition. Probably not a bad deal.

 

[Exit 4]

Sort of agree, although by your logic point shaving for cash should be fine as well.

Nope...I never said that. Did I really need to spell out the obvious obligations/limitations on any side income such as prohibiting anything that would jeopardize game integrity? There are other issues, prohibiting use of school grounds, school logos, etc, etc.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Not to be completely a sexist pig....but maybe good looking female athletes will have an advantage...

I brought this point up on another thread last week.

Yes, it turns out that the same physical attributes that dominate all advertising will eventually dominate NIL deals.

NIL Athlete Deals | The Boneyard (the-boneyard.com)

 

[Chin Diesel]

Sort of agree, although by your logic point shaving for cash should be fine as well.

The NCAA could have put together a much more thoughtful and logical framework and they just punted. That's why we are left with the wild west. NIL should, under the framework be allowed based on personal value. Value that is derived merely because you sign with a given team, shouldn't be allowed. American Top Ten's because kids signed with Miami should be a violation. It isn't allowing kids to earn money from their NIL it is a booster payment to an entire team.

FWIW, I had never heard of this company (some kind of MMA training facility or something.) For a half million dollars he just bought a ton of name recognition. Probably not a bad deal.

Logically, there isn't anything wrong with point shaving from the players' perspective. They are just playing a game. One team will win, one will lose. It's the gambler who is choosing to spend their money on the outcome, not the player.

 

[DoctorWho85]

I'd guess Texas is going to be the most beneficial school. The amount of booster money that school has is obnoxious.

 

[Exit 4]

The NCAA could have put together a much more thoughtful and logical framework and they just punted. That's why we are left with the wild west.

But could they really have done this? A one sided collective compensation limitation contract to cover all states? I think they need to avoid anything that suggests; i) the kids as employees and ii) the universities have a monopoly power in the market place on compensation.

At this point they need to focus on some basic rules to protect the integrity of the game on the field and in the class room and to help these kids from getting abused with these new deals (help within reason).

 

[CL82]

Nope...I never said that. Did I really need to spell out the obvious obligations/limitations on any side income such as prohibiting anything that would jeopardize game integrity?

Ah you kind of did:

but I'm sure you didn't intend it. Once you start saying "prohibiting anything that would jeopardize game integrity" you change from the wide open "earn a living any way they can and consequences be damned" approach to a very tough define "jeopardize game integrity" standard. Point shaving isn't allowed, but are open offers to entire team? Come to Miami and I'll pay you $6k?

Look I agree with your nuanced revision of your original statement. There needs to be some sort of guidelines. It is going to be ugly because we are now stuck figuring them out via trial and error.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

It will be interesting to see if fans care. If this simply becomes the richest alumni bases buying players, and college is just a glorified minor league, will fans turn off? Or maybe the fans are fine with it.

This may not play out the way conventional wisdom is leaning. Northwestern's or Stanford's alums could destroy their competition if they wanted to. I think the schools that have traditionally cheated are going to see a more level playing field. It will be interesting to see what happens to Kentucky and Baylor basketball.

I do think you will see fewer early exits, especially in basketball. College players could be making close or more in college than they would overseas, so why leave?

 

[billybud]

And...non revenue sports may not mean non revenue for the athletes...

The most followed athlete is a female LSU gymnaist...with 5,000,000 followers.

 

[CL82]

But could they really have done this? A one sided collective compensation limitation contract to cover all states? I think they need to avoid anything that suggests; i) the kids as employees and ii) the universities have a monopoly power in the market place on compensation.

At this point they need to focus on some basic rules to protect the integrity of the game on the field and in the class room and to help these kids from getting abused with these new deals (help within reason).

Sure, what a state allows or doesn't allow was always irrelevant to what the NCAA did. Rules could be put into place saying that brand value has to independent of the team value. So a company can make kid x a brand spokes person but can't make every kid on the team a brand spokesperson. Stuff like that.

Agree with you regarding compensation.

 

[Exit 4]

Ah you kind of did:

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but I'm sure you didn't intend it. Once you start saying "prohibiting anything that would jeopardize game integrity" you change from the wide open "earn a living any way they can and consequences be damned" approach to a very tough define "jeopardize game integrity" standard. Point shaving isn't allowed, but are open offers to entire team? Come to Miami and I'll pay you $6k?

Look I agree with your nuanced revision of your original statement. There needs to be some sort of guidelines. It is going to be ugly because we are now stuck figuring them out via trial and error.

I don't think its that complicated on the integrity matters.

FWIW, previously I advocated that all side income contracts go to a central clearing so that every schools knew exactly who/what was paying their players.

 

[bc puckett]

I expect SMU to rise again with this new system (football and basketball). It's game on again with their very wealthy boosters. Here comes the Pony Express 2.0.

Already started.

SMU lands 5-star WR and OU decommit Hudson

Five-star wide receiver Jordan Hudson has committed to SMU. The No. 12 overall recruit in the Class of 2022, Hudson had previously committed to Oklahoma before reopening his recruitment in June.

www.espn.com

 

[CL82]

I don't think its that complicated on the integrity matters.

Lol, you underestimate the ability of the marketplace to innovate.

FWIW, previously I advocated that all side income contracts go to a central clearing so that every schools knew exactly who/what was paying their players.

Sounds good, but who would it be? The NCAA? That would be a nightmare, especially given their slow and uneven treatment on hardship transfers.

 

[metsfan2323]

Already started.

SMU lands 5-star WR and OU decommit Hudson

Five-star wide receiver Jordan Hudson has committed to SMU. The No. 12 overall recruit in the Class of 2022, Hudson had previously committed to Oklahoma before reopening his recruitment in June.

www.espn.com

Yup, they will be a player in basketball too. Moody was a hot ticket when Larry Brown was there.

 

[billybud]

There will be some conflicts...the kids have their name and likeness but the schools own their logos and have built a brand....

Can an athlete sell his endorsement but not be allowed to do it while wearing school logos...and if the school has a Nike contract, can the kid endorse Adidas? I suspect, like the NBA, yes he could...but not in team uniform.

 

[Exit 4]

Lol, you underestimate the ability of the marketplace to innovate.

Sounds good, but who would it be? The NCAA? That would be a nightmare, especially given their slow and uneven treatment on hardship transfers.

1) Stuff will happen...stuff always did happen.... Is NCAA athletics somehow different than all other sports btw which seem to have game integrity under control?
2) It should be easy for the NCAA to collect contracts, but if not them, then the schools or conferences can do it. Regardless, life is complicated and you have to start somewhere.

 

[Exit 4]

There will be some conflicts...the kids have their name and likeness but the schools own their logos and have built a brand....

Can an athlete sell his endorsement but not be allowed to do it while wearing school logos...and if the school has a Nike contract, can the kid endorse Adidas? I suspect, like the NBA, yes he could...but not in team uniform.

It seems it will be up to the schools to decide how to protect their brand and their current marketing deals.

 

[LIuconn]

Prob will see a ton of shell companies pop up for the sole purpose of paying athletes

 

[CL82]

1) Stuff will happen...stuff always did happen.... Is NCAA athletics somehow different than all other sports btw which seem to have game integrity under control?

Yes, since they require that athletes not be compensated for their play.

2) It should be easy for the NCAA to collect contracts, but if not them, then the schools or conferences can do it. Regardless, life is complicated and you have to start somewhere.

Lol, should be easy for the NCAA to collect contracts? No, it would be anything but easy given the volume. Regardless, why would anyone imagine that NCAA would be able to handle this issue efficiently, timely and even handedly when their history on hardship transfers has been anything but?

 

[Chin Diesel]

And...non revenue sports may not mean non revenue for the athletes...

The most followed athlete is a female LSU gymnaist...with 5,000,000 followers.

Now you are straight up trolling. You are taking everything others and I mentioned last week and bringing it up now.