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Exit 4 said:
Letting the kids earn a living however they can is the way it should be. Unintended consequences be damned. There is no other way forward.
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Sort of agree, although by your logic point shaving for cash should be fine as well.

The NCAA could have put together a much more thoughtful and logical framework and they just punted. That's why we are left with the wild west. NIL should, under the framework be allowed based on personal value. Value that is derived merely because you sign with a given team, shouldn't be allowed. American Top Ten's because kids signed with Miami should be a violation. It isn't allowing kids to earn money from their NIL it is a booster payment to an entire team.

FWIW, I had never heard of this company (some kind of MMA training facility or something.) For a half million dollars he just bought a ton of name recognition. Probably not a bad deal.
 
CL82 said:
Sort of agree, although by your logic point shaving for cash should be fine as well.
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Nope...I never said that. Did I really need to spell out the obvious obligations/limitations on any side income such as prohibiting anything that would jeopardize game integrity? There are other issues, prohibiting use of school grounds, school logos, etc, etc.
 
CL82 said:
Sort of agree, although by your logic point shaving for cash should be fine as well.

The NCAA could have put together a much more thoughtful and logical framework and they just punted. That's why we are left with the wild west. NIL should, under the framework be allowed based on personal value. Value that is derived merely because you sign with a given team, shouldn't be allowed. American Top Ten's because kids signed with Miami should be a violation. It isn't allowing kids to earn money from their NIL it is a booster payment to an entire team.

FWIW, I had never heard of this company (some kind of MMA training facility or something.) For a half million dollars he just bought a ton of name recognition. Probably not a bad deal.
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Logically, there isn't anything wrong with point shaving from the players' perspective. They are just playing a game. One team will win, one will lose. It's the gambler who is choosing to spend their money on the outcome, not the player.
 
I'd guess Texas is going to be the most beneficial school. The amount of booster money that school has is obnoxious.
 
CL82 said:
The NCAA could have put together a much more thoughtful and logical framework and they just punted. That's why we are left with the wild west.
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But could they really have done this? A one sided collective compensation limitation contract to cover all states? I think they need to avoid anything that suggests; i) the kids as employees and ii) the universities have a monopoly power in the market place on compensation.

At this point they need to focus on some basic rules to protect the integrity of the game on the field and in the class room and to help these kids from getting abused with these new deals (help within reason).
 
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Exit 4 said:
Nope...I never said that. Did I really need to spell out the obvious obligations/limitations on any side income such as prohibiting anything that would jeopardize game integrity?
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Ah you kind of did:

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but I'm sure you didn't intend it. Once you start saying "prohibiting anything that would jeopardize game integrity" you change from the wide open "earn a living any way they can and consequences be damned" approach to a very tough define "jeopardize game integrity" standard. Point shaving isn't allowed, but are open offers to entire team? Come to Miami and I'll pay you $6k?

Look I agree with your nuanced revision of your original statement. There needs to be some sort of guidelines. It is going to be ugly because we are now stuck figuring them out via trial and error.
 
It will be interesting to see if fans care. If this simply becomes the richest alumni bases buying players, and college is just a glorified minor league, will fans turn off? Or maybe the fans are fine with it.

This may not play out the way conventional wisdom is leaning. Northwestern's or Stanford's alums could destroy their competition if they wanted to. I think the schools that have traditionally cheated are going to see a more level playing field. It will be interesting to see what happens to Kentucky and Baylor basketball.

I do think you will see fewer early exits, especially in basketball. College players could be making close or more in college than they would overseas, so why leave?
 
And...non revenue sports may not mean non revenue for the athletes...

The most followed athlete is a female LSU gymnaist...with 5,000,000 followers.

 
Exit 4 said:
But could they really have done this? A one sided collective compensation limitation contract to cover all states? I think they need to avoid anything that suggests; i) the kids as employees and ii) the universities have a monopoly power in the market place on compensation.

At this point they need to focus on some basic rules to protect the integrity of the game on the field and in the class room and to help these kids from getting abused with these new deals (help within reason).
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Sure, what a state allows or doesn't allow was always irrelevant to what the NCAA did. Rules could be put into place saying that brand value has to independent of the team value. So a company can make kid x a brand spokes person but can't make every kid on the team a brand spokesperson. Stuff like that.

Agree with you regarding compensation.
 
CL82 said:
Ah you kind of did:

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but I'm sure you didn't intend it. Once you start saying "prohibiting anything that would jeopardize game integrity" you change from the wide open "earn a living any way they can and consequences be damned" approach to a very tough define "jeopardize game integrity" standard. Point shaving isn't allowed, but are open offers to entire team? Come to Miami and I'll pay you $6k?

Look I agree with your nuanced revision of your original statement. There needs to be some sort of guidelines. It is going to be ugly because we are now stuck figuring them out via trial and error.
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I don't think its that complicated on the integrity matters.

FWIW, previously I advocated that all side income contracts go to a central clearing so that every schools knew exactly who/what was paying their players.
 
metsfan2323 said:
I expect SMU to rise again with this new system (football and basketball). It's game on again with their very wealthy boosters. Here comes the Pony Express 2.0.
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Already started.

www.espn.com

SMU lands 5-star WR and OU decommit Hudson

Five-star wide receiver Jordan Hudson has committed to SMU. The No. 12 overall recruit in the Class of 2022, Hudson had previously committed to Oklahoma before reopening his recruitment in June.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
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Exit 4 said:
I don't think its that complicated on the integrity matters.
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Lol, you underestimate the ability of the marketplace to innovate.
Exit 4 said:
FWIW, previously I advocated that all side income contracts go to a central clearing so that every schools knew exactly who/what was paying their players.
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Sounds good, but who would it be? The NCAA? That would be a nightmare, especially given their slow and uneven treatment on hardship transfers.
 
There will be some conflicts...the kids have their name and likeness but the schools own their logos and have built a brand....

Can an athlete sell his endorsement but not be allowed to do it while wearing school logos...and if the school has a Nike contract, can the kid endorse Adidas? I suspect, like the NBA, yes he could...but not in team uniform.
 
CL82 said:
Lol, you underestimate the ability of the marketplace to innovate.

Sounds good, but who would it be? The NCAA? That would be a nightmare, especially given their slow and uneven treatment on hardship transfers.
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1) Stuff will happen...stuff always did happen.... Is NCAA athletics somehow different than all other sports btw which seem to have game integrity under control?
2) It should be easy for the NCAA to collect contracts, but if not them, then the schools or conferences can do it. Regardless, life is complicated and you have to start somewhere.
 
billybud said:
There will be some conflicts...the kids have their name and likeness but the schools own their logos and have built a brand....

Can an athlete sell his endorsement but not be allowed to do it while wearing school logos...and if the school has a Nike contract, can the kid endorse Adidas? I suspect, like the NBA, yes he could...but not in team uniform.
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It seems it will be up to the schools to decide how to protect their brand and their current marketing deals.
 
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Exit 4 said:
1) Stuff will happen...stuff always did happen.... Is NCAA athletics somehow different than all other sports btw which seem to have game integrity under control?
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Yes, since they require that athletes not be compensated for their play.
Exit 4 said:
2) It should be easy for the NCAA to collect contracts, but if not them, then the schools or conferences can do it. Regardless, life is complicated and you have to start somewhere.
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Lol, should be easy for the NCAA to collect contracts? No, it would be anything but easy given the volume. Regardless, why would anyone imagine that NCAA would be able to handle this issue efficiently, timely and even handedly when their history on hardship transfers has been anything but?
 
billybud said:
And...non revenue sports may not mean non revenue for the athletes...

The most followed athlete is a female LSU gymnaist...with 5,000,000 followers.

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Now you are straight up trolling. You are taking everything others and I mentioned last week and bringing it up now.

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MilliniumPrince said:
Prediction: 10 years from now the sky will still be up high, and folks will be onto something new that will ruin everything.
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Where will UCONN sports be? We'll love the new system if we thrive and hate it if we dive.
 
Chin...don't get your shorts twisted because I am adding a lot more detail to a subject you commented on earlier...you got a freekin' copywrite that I violated?

A lot more will be coming out in the next months...
 
DoctorWho85 said:
I'd guess Texas is going to be the most beneficial school. The amount of booster money that school has is obnoxious.
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I'm looking at smaller schools with deep pockets like SMU or Tulane. Some of this old money at schools with stout endowments and small student populations are going to become players again.
Ivies could run college sports if their alumni wanted to play this game.
 
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billybud said:
And...non revenue sports may not mean non revenue for the athletes...

The most followed athlete is a female LSU gymnaist...with 5,000,000 followers.

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Given how social media platforms play out, I would expect female athletes to do very well in the new environment.
 
CL82 said:
Yes, since they require that athletes not be compensated for their play.

Lol, should be easy for the NCAA to collect contracts? No, it would be anything but easy given the volume. Regardless, why would anyone imagine that NCAA would be able to handle this issue efficiently, timely and even handedly when their history on hardship transfers has been anything but?
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So looking backwards, you must have been entirely paranoid about the integrity of NCAA athletics your entire life given the kids were not officially paid as well. Surely they have had plenty of incentive to "throw the game" in such an environment??

And so the NCAA which somehow oversees the transfer portal and 11,050 scholarship FBS football players alone (130 X 85), won't be able to build a portal site for players to upload and disclose their compensation contracts? The NCAA is a favorite punching bag for sure, but its not as if they can't function at all....and if not the NCAA, some body some where will be stepping up at some point.

There will be an evolution ahead with twists and turns.
 
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Miami is currently #78 in Rivals Class Rankings (football)....Way behind FSU and Florida. And I can't see the addition of $6000 per year by a Golden Cane booster's company as anything but an enticement for recruits...sure $6000 isn't much, but to a kid without a lot of family support, it will get attention.

By the end of this recruiting cycle, I see Miami rising 60 plus places.
 
Exit 4 said:
So looking backwards, you must have been entirely paranoid about the integrity of NCAA athletics your entire life given the kids were not officially paid as well
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$6,000 a year....

How about $60,000 a year over 85 scholarships? That's a cool $5.1 million a year so you would probably need about $100 million to "endow" that. Is that out of the question for some programs? I don't think so.

Then for the 5* recruit throw in some real enhancements and folks can really make some coin.

Think about the discrepancies that will arise between players. The 5* getting big dollars and their teammate scraping by. Should make for some interesting dynamics.

The leadership at these universities and the administrators have nobody to blame but themselves for this. It's gong to be an absolute free for all. I don't begrudge the kids the money for a moment, but many of them will not be ready to handle this and what the sharks will do with some of them makes me shutter.
 
CL82 said:
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There has always been the possibility that the integrity of any given game was corrupted in our world pre 7/1/21. And that possibility will continue. Its a possibility in all sports, even the most obscure.
 
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