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Analyzing Which Schools Could End Up Joining the ACC?

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Kemba429 said:
Where would our football land, independent? I wouldnt mind that.
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It's in the other CR thread, but basically should UConn join the Big East, their best first option is to keep football in the AAC as football-only. If that could not be successfully negotiated, then go independent. An Alliance of Eastern Independents would not be a conference (so there could be no conference title game), but would be a scheduling alliance and a TV rights alliance.

I think it would be possible for the Alliance to get $5 to $10M per school from a TV deal that might include FS1, SNY, YES, or other regional sports networks. If FS1 took the lead on such a deal, I think you pull in Cincy and Temple, and maybe Navy too. If Aresco didn't keep UConn in the fold, maybe he risks starting competition in the mid Altlantic - North East footprint.

Right now UConn gets maybe $2.2M for TV rights for all sports. The alternative could be $4M to $5M for Men's basketball with the Big East, plus $5M to $10M for football only, plus maybe keeping its own rights for women's basketball.

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Zissou said:
I think it would be possible for the Alliance to get $5 to $10M per school from a TV deal that might include FS1, SNY, YES, or other regional sports networks. If FS1 took the lead on such a deal, I think you pull in Cincy and Temple, and maybe Navy too. If Aresco didn't keep UConn in the fold, maybe he risks starting competition in the mid Altlantic - North East footprint.

Right now UConn gets maybe $2.2M for TV rights for all sports. The alternative could be $4M to $5M for Men's basketball with the Big East, plus $5M to $10M for football only, plus maybe keeping its own rights for women's basketball.
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For those that think about academic fit in CR:

The Alliance
Navy #12 National LA
Army #19 National LA
Nova #50 National University
UConn #60 National University
Delaware #79 National University
JMU #8 Regional University
Temple #118 National University
Cincinnati #135 National University

For Comparison
USF #159 National University
Louisville #171 National University
UCF #176 National University
WVU #183 National University
Houston #194 National University
E Carolina #210 National University
Memphis Not Ranked
 
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UConnDan97 said:
I love any thread that advocates the idea that James Madison and Delaware are the keys to getting more tv money... :confused:
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If your current playmates are EC and Memphis, you're not too good for UD and JMU.
 
Please, with the exception of Xavier and a great draw, all of those Big East teams were out in weekend 1 of the tourney this year. Let's quit trying to portray all these new big east schools like they are world beaters. Providence, Seton Hall, Gtown etc. are no different than they were in the old Big East. Memphis has had more success the past 1o years.
 
don356 said:
Please, with the exception of Xavier and a great draw, all of those Big East teams were out in weekend 1 of the tourney this year. Let's quit trying to portray all these new big east schools like they are world beaters. Providence, Seton Hall, Gtown etc. are no different than they were in the old Big East. Memphis has had more success the past 1o years.
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No one is portraying any of these programs as world beaters, but I'll play along. Prov, SH, and GTown all were rated higher (KenPom) than Memphis last year. And let's throw in St John's for good measure. They are all better rivalries for UConn than Memphis, considering history and location.

Also Memphis pretty much sets the min academic standard for the AAC - very low.
 
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Zissou said:
No one is portraying any of these programs as world beaters, but I'll play along. Prov, SH, and GTown all were rated higher (KenPom) than Memphis last year. And let's throw in St John's for good measure. They are all better rivalries for UConn than Memphis, considering history and location.

Also Memphis pretty much sets the min academic standard for the AAC - very low.
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Better than holding up Memphis as the conference Gold Standard, I'd note UConn has a title for the conference, Larry Brown put SMU basketball back on the map and they continued to be strong last year without him, Cincy is generally good in both hoops and football, and while Houston has been very good in football, they have also surged in hoops.
 
Zissou said:
If your current playmates are EC and Memphis, you're not too good for UD and JMU.
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I didn't say we were too good for JMU and UD. I said to think that they were the key to more tv money is pretty dumb.

But you're a 'Nova fan. What on earth did I expect... :eek:
 
UConnDan97 said:
I didn't say we were too good for JMU and UD. I said to think that they were the key to more tv money is pretty dumb.
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"Key" to the Alliance? I would not say they are "Key" - more like part of the solution. Just like Tulsa is not "Key" to the AAC. There are back-ups / options, like ODU in place of JMU. Having 8 programs facilitates scheduling and a TV package. More important is the small footprint / independent approach.
 
Zissou said:
"Key" to the Alliance? I would not say they are "Key" - more like part of the solution. Just like Tulsa is not "Key" to the AAC. There are back-ups / options, like ODU in place of JMU. Having 8 programs facilitates scheduling and a TV package. More important is the small footprint / independent approach.
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The fact that you think they are even a small part of the solution tells me everything I need to know. You clearly haven't been following the tv money thing for more than a week...
 
UConnDan97 said:
The fact that you think they are even a small part of the solution tells me everything I need to know. You clearly haven't been following the tv money thing for more than a week...
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I don't think you have earned the high horse yet. Save the condescension for when you actually have the P5 invite, or a G5 contract for football worth more than $5M a year. Until then, there is more TV money in Big East basketball than AAC football.

Your current model isn't very good. That is why some of us consider alternatives. UConn to the Big East isn't P5, but it is better than status quo.
 
Do you think any of us can make the decision to move to the Big East or are in favor of it?
Give this conversation a rest and move on man.
 
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Zissou said:
Better than holding up Memphis as the conference Gold Standard, I'd note UConn has a title for the conference, Larry Brown put SMU basketball back on the map and they continued to be strong last year without him, Cincy is generally good in both hoops and football, and while Houston has been very good in football, they have also surged in hoops.
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If by surging you mean Houston's last NCAA tournament win was in 1984...
 
Zissou said:
I don't think you have earned the high horse yet. Save the condescension for when you actually have the P5 invite, or a G5 contract for football worth more than $5M a year. Until then, there is more TV money in Big East basketball than AAC football.

Your current model isn't very good. That is why some of us consider alternatives. UConn to the Big East isn't P5, but it is better than status quo.
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You can "consider" all you like. But where are your numbers?? Where is any relevant speck of data that would suggest that Delaware and JMU would help land a better tv contract?? Do you understand now?

My problem is not being on a high horse against other universities, nor is it being on a high horse against you for trying to make suggestions. My problem is that you've made a suggestion so outlandish as to cause migraines. I don't know how else to say it, other than to say that it's really really really dumb...
 
Slasher said:
If by surging you mean Houston's last NCAA tournament win was in 1984...
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No, I meant that for a football school, it was noteworthy that last season they had 21 wins and finished ahead of UConn in conference.
 
Zissou said:
I don't think you have earned the high horse yet. Save the condescension for when you actually have the P5 invite, or a G5 contract for football worth more than $5M a year. Until then, there is more TV money in Big East basketball than AAC football.
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You seem to think that that justifies your very bad idea. It doesn't.
 
UConnDan97 said:
I don't know how else to say it, other than to say that it's really really really dumb...
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Well, I didn't arrange the talks between the Big East and UConn, nor was I the one that reported on them. UConn is obviously not satisfied with a $2M TV contract in a Frankenstein conference. So if it's dumb to consider an alternative, it might not be any worse than traveling to Tulsa and Tulane for all of you sports, Rev and non-Rev.

What's your solution for UConn?
 
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Zissou said:
Well, I didn't arrange the talks between the Big East and UConn, nor was I the one that reported on them. UConn is obviously not satisfied with a $2M TV contract in a Frankenstein conference. So if it's dumb to consider an alternative, it might not be any worse than traveling to Tulsa and Tulane for all of you sports, Rev and non-Rev.

What's your solution for UConn?
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Again, you seem to have a reading comprehension issue. It is not dumb to consider an alternative. It is dumb to consider the alternative as being JMU and Delaware. I can't say it any clearer than that.

As for my solution; I don't have a good one. But then again, that's why I don't advertise that I have a good one. I don't look at my empty gas tank on my car with the belief that I can fill it with any old liquid, just because that will make the meter say "full". The goal is for the car to work...
 
UConnDan97 said:
As for my solution; I don't have a good one.
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Well, put it this way, you could double your current TV money on basketball alone by joining the Big East.

If you don't believe UConn Football has any value as an independent, that is truly an unknown and maybe your right. I bet it does.
 
Zissou said:
Well, put it this way, you could double your current TV money on basketball alone by joining the Big East.

If you don't believe UConn Football has any value as an independent, that is truly an unknown and maybe your right. I bet it does.
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Oh God. The "Football as an Independent" concept.

I thought perhaps you had been at this type of analysis for about a week or so. I now realize that it must be much less than that...
 
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