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This team is loaded. There will be one or more nights over the next 4 months where someone else will have an off night and this kid will step in and fill it up.
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Strongly disagree. Mid-range is what made Richard Hamilton impossible to guard. Loved when Hawkins moved to the mid-range with the clock running down last night. A good mid-range game makes you so much tougher to defend.
One step inside the arc is a bad shot. Elbow jumpers (10-12 footers) are a great complement to both the inside and outside game.
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when it became official that he was coming, a handful of us looked at his tape and said 'what's with that shot?' then, some dug deeper on his story where he came out last season as an important 3 baller on a team dedicated to 3 balling. toward the end of that season, his coach slowed that role, and had a bunch of new 3 ballers recruited in.
alleyne got the message and looked for a new place.
that happened.
now, with the rhythm of a new season playing out where hawk, tris, alex, and, at times, joey being the primary 3 ball targets (that would be, at least, four 3 ballers as priorities in front of him), well .....
ajax/alleyne/diarra so far 13/54 from deep. ajax gets a pass cuz of his broken paw, and this is not dispositive for their future, but,
good thing there are 4, or 5 (adama 45%), or 6 (donno rules, nice to see everybody gettin the memo lately) others who can jack nicely.
alleyne got the message and looked for a new place.
that happened.
now, with the rhythm of a new season playing out where hawk, tris, alex, and, at times, joey being the primary 3 ball targets (that would be, at least, four 3 ballers as priorities in front of him), well .....
ajax/alleyne/diarra so far 13/54 from deep. ajax gets a pass cuz of his broken paw, and this is not dispositive for their future, but,
good thing there are 4, or 5 (adama 45%), or 6 (donno rules, nice to see everybody gettin the memo lately) others who can jack nicely.
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He looks like he's pressing.
It's usually a cliche, but in this case applies: he just needs to slow down and let the game come to him and he'll get looks in the flow of the offense.
It's usually a cliche, but in this case applies: he just needs to slow down and let the game come to him and he'll get looks in the flow of the offense.
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Great point
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It looks to me that Newton and Alleyne are out of sync with the ball stopping at Adamo and the offense running thru Jackson . My guess is the pieces will fit together better as adjustments are made with everyone back playing. Remember Newton was good for a triple double.
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Alleyne, like many other pieces on the team, will be ridden if he has the hot hand but if he misses a couple shots or gets lazy on D like he did last game he’s getting pulled and may end up with less than 10 minutes. He was used in a similar fashion at VT.
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Classic case of a guy moving from one system to another and just not being comfortable. Our system is predicated on ball movement, P&R, spot up shooting - and Alleyne reallllllllllllly likes to put the ball on the deck and dribble around for 4 seconds for some reason.
Needs to settle in quick - has the tools but clearly head isn't right.
Needs to settle in quick - has the tools but clearly head isn't right.
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Where do you get the idea that his “head isn’t right”?
I wouldn’t put them in the same sentence/conversation right now
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I would think Diarra would be the one making
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Yeah Hawkins using the mid range occasionally is a plus, because it keeps the defense honest. But no coach is going to draw up a play to get him that shot intentionally. You draw up 3's and if the defense overextends then you pull up for a midrange shot
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My version of the point you're making is that he reminds me of the 'not-quite-there' aspects of the previous two teams.
People would say that we weren't a good shooting team, and I'd think instead that we were a team that for one reason or another did not take good shots.
I really don't yet know if he's a good shooter or not, but I do know that I'm not seeing well-chosen shots.
I find that frustrating because I keep seeing that the opportunity to get better looks is so much improved with this team. Thus far, Alleyne plays as if this has not occurred to him and/or nobody has suggested or demanded it.
I like the prescription above, and hope it can be given a try...and that it yields success that breeds confidence.
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When you have someone who shoots 50 plus percent from mid-range and has the three in the tool-kit you'd better believe pin-downs will be run for mid range shots. It simply depends. A blanket statement about not drawing up a play for a mid-range shot without factoring probability of making shot holds little weight. The game is predicated among other things with make percentage within a certain area on the court, match-ups and the like.
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If someone is shooting above 50% maybe, but even then they'd have to be shooting below 30% from 3 to make that a good shot. But we're talking about Jordan Hawkins who is shooting nowhere near 50% on midrange shots, he's shooting 14% this year and 29% last year. I feel confident in saying we should be drawing up 3's for him and not midrange shots
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Why? Because he made a 30foot buzzer beater?
We need Alleyne to get his confidence going he’s a proven scorer off an ACC bench. No doubt we can use that coming off ours.
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sumthin, sumthin, 'head ain't right,' sumthin.....
until now, like this week, his record shows that he has started in 92 of the 99 games he has played. some of us wondered early why he was getting so many minutes, eye test an all that, but giving danny the benefit of doubt, i guessed danny was legitimately trying to figger out who this guy is, and what, exactly, he could do for us.
the starting stuff is over, and whatever make believe on his 3 ball ability (not supported by the record, ok, but not special) preceded him, there also now is limited opportunity for him to come in and just jack. others are better. also, nothing in that record for boards, dimes, etc. not at all good for gettin buckets with a career 39% for 2's. forget the drive, forget the closer in j, forget all that cuz it's not in his record.
ur darn tootin his head is in a bad place, realizing the dreams of nba are now, au revoir, over.
enlightenment.
hopefully, the light will go off in his head to want to be part of something possibly special, and do whatever is needed to win ball games. team first an all that.
currently, va techs top 3 jackers, interestingly all at almost the same amount of shots (around 42 each) are doing it at 37%, 42%, and 43%.
no room at the inn.
all that is reasonably left, other than some reasonably expected bright moments, is 'injury insurance,' which is important cuz injuries, as always, are part of the game.
and oh, im not 'reasonably comfortable' with our backcourt backups as all i've seen so far is that joey can make shots, and hassan will hustle.
good thing ajax is here to help muddle thru iffn tris has to take a vacay for an injury. newt is gooooood.
until now, like this week, his record shows that he has started in 92 of the 99 games he has played. some of us wondered early why he was getting so many minutes, eye test an all that, but giving danny the benefit of doubt, i guessed danny was legitimately trying to figger out who this guy is, and what, exactly, he could do for us.
the starting stuff is over, and whatever make believe on his 3 ball ability (not supported by the record, ok, but not special) preceded him, there also now is limited opportunity for him to come in and just jack. others are better. also, nothing in that record for boards, dimes, etc. not at all good for gettin buckets with a career 39% for 2's. forget the drive, forget the closer in j, forget all that cuz it's not in his record.
ur darn tootin his head is in a bad place, realizing the dreams of nba are now, au revoir, over.
enlightenment.
hopefully, the light will go off in his head to want to be part of something possibly special, and do whatever is needed to win ball games. team first an all that.
currently, va techs top 3 jackers, interestingly all at almost the same amount of shots (around 42 each) are doing it at 37%, 42%, and 43%.
no room at the inn.
all that is reasonably left, other than some reasonably expected bright moments, is 'injury insurance,' which is important cuz injuries, as always, are part of the game.
and oh, im not 'reasonably comfortable' with our backcourt backups as all i've seen so far is that joey can make shots, and hassan will hustle.
good thing ajax is here to help muddle thru iffn tris has to take a vacay for an injury. newt is gooooood.
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Welp, it is true my fellow yarder! Tristan comes with higher expectations then Allenye. TN started and lead his team in scoring and is our point so we do need consistency. Alleyne was a barely a started and didn't shoot well at VT. Had AJ never gotten hurt, NA wouldn't have started for Uconn.
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'off an ACC bench.'
just making stuff up now? see, 'started 92 of 99' previous. last season, around 32 minutes per.
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Ok starting on an ACC team. I never watched Va Tech from the start so I was unaware he was a starter hence not making things up Cliffy
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what I saw happen is first few games he was playing a little selfish and wasn’t catching fire, then I think (obv don’t know) was told to look to pass more and is now a little timid / not playing naturally. He’ll be fine as season goes on
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From the fact that he's shooting 23% from three through a third of our season and generally speaking hasn't even been able to even catch the ball cleanly the past 4-5 games let alone be a productive player.
For a 4th year ACC caliber starter - this is not going as he'd hoped so far. And as far as I know he is not injured or otherwise struggling physically so it must be a challenge with mentally picking up a new system/style/teammates etc. Mental not physical.
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Too general a statement?
Some players can make a mid-range shot, and if Alleyne is one of them then he should stop looking for the three and take the mid-range.
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He's shooting 27.6% this season on mid-range shots and shot 38.4% on mid-range shots in 3 years at Virginia Tech. He is not one of them
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Well…all right then. Is he just a bad shooter overall? What was his 3pt % at VTech?
I thought he was brought in because he was an above average shooter?
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Really good 3 point shooter at VT, shot 38.7% on 4.4 attempts per game. But was really streaky so I expect him to get on a run soon where he gets hot from 3
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