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Frank is a big boy. He can defend himself. I like Frank for the most part although there is a bit of concern trolling in his posts.
 
We look like a bunch of sissies when we start name-calling every visitor with a different point of view. I wish we had regular input from at least 1 fan of each team. Even if we had to set up a separate thread for it.
 
Fishy said:
We're bad at bragging. But more important, we got perfect storm'd. Calhoun retired, the APR thing was invented out of thin air to penalize us, bad football season, etc. We were bouncing while UL was peaking. Two years ago or two years from now, we're up and UL is down.

Louisville is positively, absolutely nothing special on the football field - which, actually, makes them perfect for the ACC. They're up this year and perhaps next year, but when Strong and Bridgewater move on, and they will, it's back to the middle.

Somehow, however, during those two weeks before the ACC vote, the media decided that they were the greatest football team on the planet and actually losing to UConn did nothing to temper that enthusiasm.

In any event, the ACC replaced a team we beat with a team we beat.
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O ... man.

Louisville is a far better Program than UConn in Football. Call this the Tom Jurich-factor. We were giftwrapped a great Rentschler field and a Big East BCS Conference affiliation. Edsall was darn good; PP ... hmmm. But a decade of Jeff Hathaway and this bag of bolts that hit us you referenced, in Calhoun/APR/downward trending attendance, hurt. But, beyond the field results with Louisville, you cannot go visit their Stadium and observe their overall atmosphere & say that we are quite there today. They snapped in that expansion; got 200% more Sponsors (in a state they share with UK and in a far less money'd region). I think you are selling them short when you compare apples to apples. It was NOT just perception that pushed Clemson & FSU to yell: they are at a higher level.

We (UConn) could have had the same damn decade that Rutgers & Louisville had (and we had no Kragthorpe); but, the AD part that is tied to the Randy Edsall construction was not nearly as productive or successful.

And it is funny that many here post that we simply didn't lobby or PR enough.
 
Pudge said:
O ... man.

Louisville is a far better Program than UConn in Football. Call this the Tom Jurich-factor. We were giftwrapped a great Rentschler field and a Big East BCS Conference affiliation. Edsall was darn good; PP ... hmmm. But a decade of Jeff Hathaway and this bag of bolts that hit us you referenced, in Calhoun/APR/downward trending attendance, hurt. But, beyond the field results with Louisville, you cannot go visit their Stadium and observe their overall atmosphere & say that we are quite there today. They snapped in that expansion; got 200% more Sponsors (in a state they share with UK and in a far less money'd region). I think you are selling them short when you compare apples to apples. It was NOT just perception that pushed Clemson & FSU to yell: they are at a higher level.

We (UConn) could have had the same damn decade that Rutgers & Louisville had (and we had no Kragthorpe); but, the AD part that is tied to the Randy Edsall construction was not nearly as productive or successful.

And it is funny that many here post that we simply didn't lobby or PR enough.
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It's all the AD's fault......except for the fact that UL and RU were both able to expand their stadiums because they have better fan support. It may only be 5-10k more, but it makes a difference. The UL/RU fans beat the Huskies football fans. We need to step it up.
 
huskypantz said:
It's all the AD's fault......except for the fact that UL and RU were both able to expand their stadiums because they have better fan support. It may only be 5-10k more, but it makes a difference. The UL/RU fans beat the Huskies football fans. We need to step it up.
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It's both.
 
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Not for nothing ...

We really are a 15 year entity. It is noticeable when you contrast UConn's Program to Louisville & Rutgers. 5 years into the RENT, people were just starting to learn to tailgate & how to manage their Gameday experience. When I was at UCLA, these family traditions were generations old. So, I really don't kick "our" fanbase too hard. We can get there fairly easily ... but things just got a lot harder with CR.
 
huskypantz said:
It's all the AD's fault......except for the fact that UL and RU were both able to expand their stadiums because they have better fan support. It may only be 5-10k more, but it makes a difference. The UL/RU fans beat the Huskies football fans. We need to step it up.
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Rutgers was LITERALLY giving away 40 percent of their tickets, and still falling far short of a full house. Their draw is fraudulent and yet still mediocre.
 
And YET ... Rutgers was promoted.

Honestly, the whole thing has made me puke for 10 years. Schiano with the helicopter; the mansion on the Nature Preserve; the Star ratings; and all that crap. They never had the excellence through the AD we did ... on the field. But first Mulcahy and then Pernetti just promoted & promoted. It is fraudulent. But, they stuck to their knitting ... and advanced. UNLIKE PREMIER LEAGUE soccer, advancement seems to have little to do with the field production.
 
I know people will not take kindly to my saying this, but you can't take issue with Jeff Hathaway and not give at least a bit of the blame to Jim Calhoun, at least if you want to be honest about it. In 1999, indeed thoughout the 1990s, UConn was one of the darlings of college basketball, then with the 2nd title in 2004 it became a borderline blueblood. Had likeable players...even people who hated el Amin loved him, if you know what I mean. Okafor was the prime example of a true college student athlete...honors student, all American, graduated in 3 years. Likeable. You couldn't have gotten a guy from central casting to play the role better. Then it all fell apart. 2006 team started with laptopgate and ended with George Mason and while you can argue all you want that Williams was treated the same as any other student who had committed a comparable crime, that wasn't the perception in the world north of Suffield and west of Danbury. Follow that up with the 2007 squad that liked to brag and then didn't deliver and Calhoun's unfortunate post season comments about changes that sounded like an NBA GM rather than a college coach....then Wiggins, and Nate Miles, and Dyson and Stanley Robinson qutting school then returning and playing as news reports came out that he hadn't passed a single course in his last semester...Then of course APR, and Calhoun getting suspended and Boatright getting suspended (as much for hanging around with a guy the NCAA had already found as a rules violator as anything else)...and somehow a program that was seen as clean and ethical and even likeable has emerged by the end of Calhoun's tenure as a dirty program that would do anything, recruit anyone, to win. That is the narrative, and the killer is that Calhoun could have been jerry Tarkanian and almost played it up,or Boeheim and come across as utterly clueless, but in not doing that he probably made things worse. That has contributed to the decline in fans. It has contributed to the negative perception.
 
freescooter said:
I know people will not take kindly to my saying this, but you can't take issue with Jeff Hathaway and not give at least a bit of the blame to Jim Calhoun, at least if you want to be honest about it. In 1999, indeed thoughout the 1990s, UConn was one of the darlings of college basketball, then with the 2nd title in 2004 it became a borderline blueblood. Had likeable players...even people who hated el Amin loved him, if you know what I mean. Okafor was the prime example of a true college student athlete...honors student, all American, graduated in 3 years. Likeable. You couldn't have gotten a guy from central casting to play the role better. Then it all fell apart. 2006 team started with laptopgate and ended with George Mason and while you can argue all you want that Williams was treated the same as any other student who had committed a comparable crime, that wasn't the perception in the world north of Suffield and west of Danbury. Follow that up with the 2007 squad that liked to brag and then didn't deliver and Calhoun's unfortunate post season comments about changes that sounded like an NBA GM rather than a college coach....then Wiggins, and Nate Miles, and Dyson and Stanley Robinson qutting school then returning and playing as news reports came out that he hadn't passed a single course in his last semester...Then of course APR, and Calhoun getting suspended and Boatright getting suspended (as much for hanging around with a guy the NCAA had already found as a rules violator as anything else)...and somehow a program that was seen as clean and ethical and even likeable has emerged by the end of Calhoun's tenure as a dirty program that would do anything, recruit anyone, to win. That is the narrative, and the killer is that Calhoun could have been jerry Tarkanian and almost played it up,or Boeheim and come across as utterly clueless, but in not doing that he probably made things worse. That has contributed to the decline in fans. It has contributed to the negative perception.
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I hate to say it, but I agree. Unfortunately, it is easier to act like a likable guy when people aren't out to get you. JC and UConn made a few bad pr moves but we also got unnecessarily and unfairly attacked by some journalists, and more notably, by the NCAA.
 
freescooter said:
I know people will not take kindly to my saying this, but you can't take issue with Jeff Hathaway and not give at least a bit of the blame to Jim Calhoun, at least if you want to be honest about it. In 1999, indeed thoughout the 1990s, UConn was one of the darlings of college basketball, then with the 2nd title in 2004 it became a borderline blueblood. Had likeable players...even people who hated el Amin loved him, if you know what I mean. Okafor was the prime example of a true college student athlete...honors student, all American, graduated in 3 years. Likeable. You couldn't have gotten a guy from central casting to play the role better. Then it all fell apart. 2006 team started with laptopgate and ended with George Mason and while you can argue all you want that Williams was treated the same as any other student who had committed a comparable crime, that wasn't the perception in the world north of Suffield and west of Danbury. Follow that up with the 2007 squad that liked to brag and then didn't deliver and Calhoun's unfortunate post season comments about changes that sounded like an NBA GM rather than a college coach....then Wiggins, and Nate Miles, and Dyson and Stanley Robinson qutting school then returning and playing as news reports came out that he hadn't passed a single course in his last semester...Then of course APR, and Calhoun getting suspended and Boatright getting suspended (as much for hanging around with a guy the NCAA had already found as a rules violator as anything else)...and somehow a program that was seen as clean and ethical and even likeable has emerged by the end of Calhoun's tenure as a dirty program that would do anything, recruit anyone, to win. That is the narrative, and the killer is that Calhoun could have been jerry Tarkanian and almost played it up,or Boeheim and come across as utterly clueless, but in not doing that he probably made things worse. That has contributed to the decline in fans. It has contributed to the negative perception.
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Do you realize how much false info you posted above?
 
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Hoophound said:
I hate to say it, but I agree. Unfortunately, it is easier to act like a likable guy when people aren't out to get you. JC and UConn made a few bad pr moves but we also got unnecessarily and unfairly attacked by some journalists, and more notably, by the NCAA.
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The program was ALWAYS seen as a dirty program, no matter what freescooter says. UConn was dealing with this stuff all through the 1990s. Gee, I wonder why. I posted a Boneyard post from 1998 that said the exact same thing! The big factors in all this were a Washington Post story by Gary Williams' lackeys, a Yahoo story by Calipari's lackeys, and a New York Times story by a Syracuse lackey who has never ever reported a bad word about Cuse. All three stories were mostly misinformation. Very little of it stuck. And even the NCAA probation based on the Yahoo story largely differed when it came to the facts the NCAA uncovered. That's it.

Laptop-gate? We are really talking about laptops still, 7 years later? You can go to any university in the country and find that and worse in the last 7 years.
 
free scooter ... It's about Football.

I understand you like this soapbox to tee off on whatever topic hits the synapse. However, Calhoun always reached on urban kids. It's the double edged sword he played. And it is the core of today's game. Suffield, Danbury or Groton ... It's easy to believe in fairy dust & Okafors. The Hoop kids at UConn are not the Dukies; and neither are those at Cuse or PC.
 
Pudge said:
free scooter ... It's about Football.

I understand you like this soapbox to tee off on whatever topic hits the synapse. However, Calhoun always reached on urban kids. It's the double edged sword he played. And it is the core of today's game. Suffield, Danbury or Groton ... It's easy to believe in fairy dust & Okafors. The Hoop kids at UConn are not the Dukies; and neither are those at Cuse or PC.
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Sorry Pudge, but nobody on earth would touch Nate Miles. he was poison and even the slimewad coaches wanted nothing to do with him. As just one example. We had no need for Wiggins, and he wasn't much more than a competent A-10 player anyway. Yet we "stole" him from St Johns for really no apparent reason except we could. And we didn't handle the problems we had very well, starting with laptopgage and going through Miles and the whole APR mess. We all loved Calhoun's "tough Irishman" routine but to the outside it came off not as the loveable rogue UConn fans thought it was but as a miserable Mick of the sort I knew growing up in South Boston and Dorchester. John Thompson could pull the chip on the shoulder thing off and get away with it. Calhoun couldn't.

Believe me, I get that it is about football. Read my post on Wayland's thread about how we "must" protect basketball at all costs. I've been preaching its about football for 5 years. Nice to see someone finally gets it...or maybe FINALLY gets IT.
 
ZooCougar said:
Pretty much. He's another Ike Clanton type being dragged along on the coattails of relevance. Somewhere Jeff George is so proud.
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Don't be a dick. We already had that one jackass, specialist or whatever his name is, drive one guy away - let's not go for two.

You can only be a dick to UConn fans. We're all used to it and largely deserve it.

On an unrelated note, today on the Boneyard I learned that Louisville is a major football power. They are world-famous in a small part of Kentucky.
 
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Caron Butler.

See Calhoun had taken kids that others looked at sideways (Khalid el-Amin) & been successful. It fit his single Mom tough circumstances upbringing. He was successful with only some hiccups. I don't think Nate Miles was that far from these other two ... or some others. Miles just was one that was too far a reach.
 
freescooter said:
Sorry Pudge, but nobody on earth would touch Nate Miles. he was poison and even the slimewad coaches wanted nothing to do with him. As just one example. We had no need for Wiggins, and he wasn't much more than a competent A-10 player anyway. Yet we "stole" him from St Johns for really no apparent reason except we could. And we didn't handle the problems we had very well, starting with laptopgage and going through Miles and the whole APR mess. We all loved Calhoun's "tough Irishman" routine but to the outside it came off not as the loveable rogue UConn fans thought it was but as a miserable Mick of the sort I knew growing up in South Boston and Dorchester. John Thompson could pull the chip on the shoulder thing off and get away with it. Calhoun couldn't.

Believe me, I get that it is about football. Read my post on Wayland's thread about how we "must" protect basketball at all costs. I've been preaching its about football for 5 years. Nice to see someone finally gets it...or maybe FINALLY gets IT.
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You are the biggest UConn hater on this board.

How did UConn steal Wiggins?

I mean, why even bother? You go to absolute extremes in painting UConn in the worst light possible.
 
Fishy said:
Don't be a dick. We already had that one jackass, specialist or whatever his name is, drive one guy away - let's not go for two.

You can only be a dick to UConn fans. We're all used to it and largely deserve it.

On an unrelated note, today on the Boneyard I learned that Louisville is a major football power. They are world-famous in a small part of Kentucky.
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Go to a game there. It's not Poughkeepsie.
 
Pudge said:
Go to a game there. It's not Poughkeepsie.
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Oh you mean like how they filled their stadium to 82% capacity against us this season when they were 9-1 and ranked #20 in the Nation? What an absolutely rabid fan base.
 
Pudge said:
Go to a game there. It's not Poughkeepsie.
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Super.

Take two steps out of Louisville and the entire state turns blue.

Two games above .500 since they joined the Big East - someone alert the SEC that a national power is now in their midst.
 
Fishy said:
Don't be a dick. We already had that one jackass, specialist or whatever his name is, drive one guy away - let's not go for two.

You can only be a dick to UConn fans. We're all used to it and largely deserve it.

On an unrelated note, today on the Boneyard I learned that Louisville is a major football power. They are world-famous in a small part of Kentucky.
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Well, it's not untrue. The guy knows less about UConn than we probably know about Illinoplace.

This is like having ALL4SU, coming around and breaking things down for us before we beat Fruit U five years in a row.
 
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Fishy said:
Don't be a dick. We already had that one jackass, specialist or whatever his name is, drive one guy away - let's not go for two.

You can only be a dick to UConn fans. We're all used to it and largely deserve it.

On an unrelated note, today on the Boneyard I learned that Louisville is a major football power. They are world-famous in a small part of Kentucky.
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One out of place comment and you've been throwing me under the bus ever since. FWIW I reached out to that poster and extended an apology. My comment came out much more dick-like than intended. It was a bad day of posting for me. I'm working on that.
 
specialisthusky said:
One out of place comment and you've been throwing me under the bus ever since. FWIW I reached out to that poster and extended an apology. My comment came out much more dick-like than intended. It was a bad day of posting for me. I'm working on that.
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Understood - my bad.
 
Pudge said:
And YET ... Rutgers was promoted.

Honestly, the whole thing has made me puke for 10 years. Schiano with the helicopter; the mansion on the Nature Preserve; the Star ratings; and all that crap. They never had the excellence through the AD we did ... on the field. But first Mulcahy and then Pernetti just promoted & promoted. It is fraudulent. But, they stuck to their knitting ... and advanced. UNLIKE PREMIER LEAGUE soccer, advancement seems to have little to do with the field production.
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New Jersey has over twice the population that Connecticut does, and gets higher football ratings in the New York metropolitan area because Northern New Jersey is a much bigger percentage of the New York DMA than Fairfield County is. That is 98% of why it is Rutgers and not us.

We all needed to have more babies.
 
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