All Americans??

[MSUFan2003]

I'm trying to show that Sophie is as or more efficient of a scorer than the other three, while being the major focus of any opponent's D. I'm missing why you think her being on a lesser team invalidates how efficient she is on offense.

Sophie stared the year out in a slump. She was not shooting as well, but she came on in the end. She looked rough at times in the beginning though.

 

[Centerstream]

I’m not buying Lou being injured had anything to do with the votes. Zion Williamson from Duke will sweep all the NPOY awards on the men’s side and he’s missed more games than Lou.

Discussing a male player on a WBB forum just seems wrong to me, no matter the reason.
I come here not only because I am a Huskies WBB fan but so that I don't have to worry about seeing anything about what was once men's basketball. That's not the case anymore I guess.

 

[Los24]

Effective FG% may make Lou look like an AA when compared to Arike and Asia, but Lou is not really having a good year based on this stat. Arike is the only starter for Notre Dame that has an effective FG% that is lower than Lou's In fact, KLS is ranked 238th in the NCAA in Effective FG% (LINK). Guards Jackie Young (57.1% 150th) and Marina Mabrey (62.1% 36th) rank far higher. AA is based on more than raw stats.

By the way, Pheesa (62.8% 28th) and Brianna Turner (64.1% 19th) rank highly here but are dwarfed by Gustafson (69.7% 2nd).

Agreed you can only make those kind of comparisons if it was a transcendent players like Stewart, Parker, Delle Donne, Griner, Moore, and toot horn Taurasi lol. Lou is a fan favorite and I feel that many people on this board think she deserves awards over others that have worked harder; they’re clearly biased. Some players have just had better seasons.

So question... how do you know they worked harder? IF you want to say her shot has been off, say she did not deliver here or there I think those are up for debate. However I have rarely heard Geno criticize Lou (outside rebounding jabs which ironically she is doing the best in her career at about 7 RPB.) Lack of work ethic is Geno's number one issue if a player is not giving their most. Secondly, she is a 2X all american just like Pheesa is now and led the nation in 3pt% last year, 2000+ scorer, so she is no slouch as a player. Maybe you are biased. Looking at some of the stats of Asia and Arike its not reasonable to think she could have made it.

I am on the fence whether she should have made it or not, and accept those that do not feel she should have not. I see how she takes 2 defenders away when she is moving along the court and think she is a great passer. However, and this goes for Pheesa as well, they are both hard working, talented and dynamic players. No doubt that Pheesa had a better year and so did some of the others on other teams. Yet if Lou's shooting percentages are up then this is a no-brainer she makes her 3rd AA team as every other part of her game is better this year.

 

[meyers7]

Discussing a male player on a WBB forum just seems wrong to me, no matter the reason.
I come here not only because I am a Huskies WBB fan but so that I don't have to worry about seeing anything about what was once men's basketball. That's not the case anymore I guess.

Seems a bit misandrinistic to me.

 

[river rat]

Katie Lou is saving her best for last...

Congrats Pheesa... We love you

 

[CocoHusky]

Seems a bit misandrinistic to me.

Having look up the meaning of that work, I concur.

 

[Centerstream]

Seems a bit misandrinistic to me.

Good one...but true. I hate men's basketball.

 

[DeeHusky]

So question... how do you know they worked harder? IF you want to say her shot has been off, say she did not deliver here or there I think those are up for debate. However I have rarely heard Geno criticize Lou (outside rebounding jabs which ironically she is doing the best in her career at about 7 RPB.) Lack of work ethic is Geno's number one issue if a player is not giving their most. Secondly, she is a 2X all american just like Pheesa is now and led the nation in 3pt% last year, 2000+ scorer, so she is no slouch as a player. Maybe you are biased. Looking at some of the stats of Asia and Arike its not like it not reasonable to think she could have made it.

I am on the fence whether she should have made it or not, and accept those that do not feel should she should have not. I see how she takes 2 defenders away when she is moving along the court and think she is a great passer. However, and this goes for Pheesa as well, they are both hard working, talented and dynamic players. No doubt that Pheesa had a better year and so did some of the others on other teams. Yet if Lou's shooting percentages are up then this is a no-brainer she makes her 3rd AA team as every other part of her game is better this year.

My take on it is that I’m not upset that she didn’t make it. I’m not mad that the players who made it, made it over her. They worked just as hard if not harder than her. I’m not basing my opinion off her shooting numbers. I’m forming my opinion off her just not doing enough in the bigger games against the players on this list. A lot of people don’t like Arike and Asia, but they are shot hunters and they make crucial plays when the game depends on it. She didn’t make those kind of plays. (Look for the earlier post someone made in this thread that lays out the stats for head-to-head matchups against other AA’s on the list.) All those stats about 2000 points and AA from last year and the year before don’t matter; it matters about what you did THIS year to make THIS AA team. My question to you is who specifically would you replace her with?

 

[PJCLaw]

Arike probably isn't either.

I agree wholeheartedly! Jackie Young is!

 

[MilfordHusky]

I agree wholeheartedly! Jackie Young is!

I concur.

 

[Bayloralum]

I agree 100%. Cox shouldn't be in consideration IMO. Good player, yes. Ahead of Young/KLS/Hebard (among others)? No way.

I’m sorry but Lauren cox is baylor’s Most valuable player that they always need on the floor! She scores, rebound, defend, assists! Whenever Brown gets into foul trouble, Lauren always steps in and take over for the team! Lauren cox is a complete player

 

[maccca3232]

I prefer to have a subset (or 'Qualified') data set vs higher competition as opposed to full seasons stats.

I will have report publicly available tomorrow which you can customize yourself using both criteria (i.e. RPI, Massey, AP or USA Today) and ranking (enter separately for H, N and A games) and date range (by week) for all the Top Players.

Here is a screenshot from report for: RPI with Revised Criteria (i.e. Home vs Top 30, Neutral vs Top 50 and Away vs Top 75).

Post about report.

 

[HuskyNan]

Arike hands down deserves to be on the top 2 teams. She's likely the 1st person who missed the top team and may be 1st team on other publications. If Young bumps someone, it isn't Arike who gets knocked down.

Jackie Young has been more consistent in her effort in the games I’ve seen. Arike seems to turn it on and off, have spectacular second halves after disappearing in the first

If I were a coach I’d pick JY every time

 

[maccca3232]

Arike: 21.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.9 spg, 2.1 TO/game, 44.6% FG, 34.9% 3pt, 49.8% Effective FG, 78.4% FT. 16.9 shots per game

Durr: 21.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.8 TO/game, 44.3% FG, 34.7% 3pt, 52.7% Effective FG, 82.6% FT. 16.7 shots per game

KLS: 18.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.6 bpg, 1.6 TO/game, 45.8% FG, 37.8% 3pt, 55.1% Effective FG, 88.1% FT. 13.8 shots per game

SC: 18.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.3 bpg, 3.0 TO/game, 48.7% FG, 41.1% 3pt, 59.4% Effective FG, 82.9% FT. 11.6 shots per game

Above are a lot of stats for 4 wonderful college players. I present them with a point of emphasis, solely to make the case that the fourth player on the list certainly deserves to be in the company of the other three.

And she has significantly less talent around her vs the other 3.

Here are each players averages by 4 different Ratings listed alphabetically by christian name.

RPI Revised Rating games (Home vs Top 30, Neutral Vs 50 and Away vs Top 75).
Massey Revised Rating games (H30, N50 and A75).
AP Poll Rating games (H25, N25 and A25).
USA Today Poll Rating games (H25, N25 and A25).

 

[Conndog]

Maybe defense has something to do with Arike's placement on the teams. She is slowest person back up court on defense for Notre Dame, and whoever has her defending them is easily able to get past her (of course, at their peril as we have seen- the lethal hip-check seems to always be in play). I too would take Jackie Young over her and even Jessica Shepard for that matter.

 

[Los24]

My take on it is that I’m not upset that she didn’t make it. I’m not mad that the players who made it, made it over her. They worked just as hard if not harder than her. I’m not basing my opinion off her shooting numbers. I’m forming my opinion off her just not doing enough in the bigger games against the players on this list. A lot of people don’t like Arike and Asia, but they are shot hunters and they make crucial plays when the game depends on it. She didn’t make those kind of plays. (Look for the earlier post someone made in this thread that lays out the stats for head-to-head matchups against other AA’s on the list.) All those stats about 2000 points and AA from last year and the year before don’t matter; it matters about what you did THIS year to make THIS AA team. My question to you is who specifically would you replace her with?

And again you skipped over my post. My response was not to argue for or against. It was to (1) ask you what proof do you have that they (other players) worked harder? You skipped answering it and just restated your factless opinion.

(2) I am not going to take anyone off the list, I just stated that its not absurd if someone values Lou's intangibles plus her solid numbers, which are mostly better than her past AA seasons except FG%s., to have her on the list.

So to wrap up, if her overall game improved then for some folks, and I am not even arguing she should be, believe she should at least have gotten a vote it does not mean they are blinded, she is a fan favorite or ignoring others accomplishments, etc... or any other factless assumption you want to make. That is my point.

 

[SECbbfan24]

I’m sorry but Lauren cox is baylor’s Most valuable player that they always need on the floor! She scores, rebound, defend, assists! Whenever Brown gets into foul trouble, Lauren always steps in and take over for the team! Lauren cox is a complete player

I have to agree with you here. Kalani goes through some major stretches of just not very good basketball at times. Kim has gotten on her repeatedly throughout this season for not playing with not a lot of effort/intensity on plays. Cox, even if she is missing shots is impacting the game through her defense, rebounding, blocks, and assists.

 

[baggerbob]

Lou isn’t even the best player on her team

AO isn't the best on her team Young is.

 

[Zanzman]

AO isn't the best on her team Young is.

Don’t need to quote me I agree young is the best player in ND

 

[DeeHusky]

And again you skipped over my post. My response was not to argue for or against. It was to (1) ask you what proof do you have that they (other players) worked harder? You skipped answering it and just restated your factless opinion.

(2) I am not going to take anyone off the list, I just stated that its not absurd if someone values Lou's intangibles plus her solid numbers, which are mostly better than her past AA seasons except FG%s., to have her on the list.

So to wrap up, if her overall game improved then for some folks, and I am not even arguing she should be, believe she should at least have gotten a vote it does not mean they are blinded, she is a fan favorite or ignoring others accomplishments, etc... or any other factless assumption you want to make. That is my point.

Who’s arguing? Factless because I don’t agree with you? Let’s agree to disagree because my opinion isn’t changing.

 

[Los24]

Who’s arguing? Factless because I don’t agree with you? Let’s agree to disagree because my opinion isn’t changing.

factless because you present no facts as to how you can say others worked harder. Three replies and you ignore me asking you. Yes lets agree to disagree which I like to point out I have said myself I am not sure she should have made it. You can't be humble and actually just say "I misspoke and I do not know if anyone worked harder than Lou or not." Because you don't.

 

[DeeHusky]

factless because you present no facts as to how you can say others worked harder. Three replies and you ignore me asking you. Yes lets agree to disagree which I like to point out I have said myself I am not sure she should have made it. You can't be humble and actually just say "I misspoke and I do not know if anyone worked harder than Lou or not." Because you don't.

Ok