All Americans??

[Centerstream]

Amazing a post congratulating Napheesa and less than 10% acknowledge her all crying bout Lou shameful group you are

I could have sworn that this thread was about ESPN's picks for "their" AAs.
There are some good threads on this forum praising Pheesa, and rightfully so.

 

[Zanzman]

I could have sworn that this thread was about ESPN's picks for "their" AAs.
There are some good threads on this forum praising Pheesa, and rightfully so.

Your right I stand corrected

 

[Orangutan]

The Gabulous One weighs in:

 

[Carnac]

Per ESPN

Women's college basketball All-Americans 2019

WTH?!? ...........they didn’t even mention Lou’s name. How disrespectful given the year she had. I think Lou had a better year than Gustafson. Congratulations to everyone selected as an All-American. Well done ladies.

 

[Los24]

Totally agree. I actually think this is a pretty well balanced set of picks. And for those whining about the absence of KLS, note that no school got more than one pick across 10 first- and second-team picks. I might nitpick here or there with one or two of the picks, but each of these players is unquestionably the key player in their lineup this season. (For instance, while I actually think Jackie Young is more important for Notre Dame than Arike, Young is too unselfish to get the stats line necessary to be in contention for All-American).

I love me some KLS, but her stat line from behind the arc this season has not been great for someone whose reputation is as an outside sharpshooter (37% and 75 made threes). KLS's shooting percentage is worse than Alanna Smith (just below 40%) and her made threes are basically the same (Smith has 73). But Smith is not even thought of as a sharpshooter - simply as a forward who can execute from anywhere on the court, which creates mismatch problems for defenses. And Lou is solid but not spectacular in the paint, so without a season raining treys, I think her omission is more than reasonable. And note that Megan Walker has quietly become UConn's best outside shooter - she's on pace for nearly a 40% shooting percentage (.394).

All valid points. I am not sure that she "deserves" it. Just wanted to highlight you left out a lot of skills that makes Lou valuable from her ball handling (backup point,) rebounds up, passing, leadership, spreading the defense, low turnovers, low fouls, etc... We all say that scoring and points are not the most important but ironically that is what is holding her back and its her biggest asset.

That said so happy for Pheesa!!!

 

[IWearShoes]

Arike: 21.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.9 spg, 2.1 TO/game, 44.6% FG, 34.9% 3pt, 49.8% Effective FG, 78.4% FT. 16.9 shots per game

Durr: 21.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.8 TO/game, 44.3% FG, 34.7% 3pt, 52.7% Effective FG, 82.6% FT. 16.7 shots per game

KLS: 18.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.6 bpg, 1.6 TO/game, 45.8% FG, 37.8% 3pt, 55.1% Effective FG, 88.1% FT. 13.8 shots per game

SC: 18.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.3 bpg, 3.0 TO/game, 48.7% FG, 41.1% 3pt, 59.4% Effective FG, 82.9% FT. 11.6 shots per game

Above are a lot of stats for 4 wonderful college players. I present them with a point of emphasis, solely to make the case that the fourth player on the list certainly deserves to be in the company of the other three.

And she has significantly less talent around her vs the other 3.

 

[maccca3232]

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One is to recognize actual performance for only this year and the other is to project performance for all future years.

Another example would be Magbegor (8th in Mock) who would not be an AA if she was in college this year.

 

[UcMiami]

I will not be surprised if voters for various awards take the chance this year to 'feed their Uconn fatigue' and vote only one player to any of the awards. Given a chance when Uconn is not undefeated in the reg season they can have an excuse not to put two or three Uconn players into AA teams. And Lou's less than perfect year gives them an opening.

She is still playing at AA level I think with her rebounding and assists and assist/TO ratio even if she is not shooting the three at better than 40%.

 

[donalddoowop]

Some who are commenting about other payers have not seen them week in and week out or on a regular basis, so you really don't know what their intangibles are. However, I will say that KLS is a better player than she has been in the past, but so are many of the players who were selected. I just hope she has healed 100%.

 

[Los24]

Arike: 21.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.9 spg, 2.1 TO/game, 44.6% FG, 34.9% 3pt, 49.8% Effective FG, 78.4% FT. 16.9 shots per game

Durr: 21.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.8 TO/game, 44.3% FG, 34.7% 3pt, 52.7% Effective FG, 82.6% FT. 16.7 shots per game

KLS: 18.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.6 bpg, 1.6 TO/game, 45.8% FG, 37.8% 3pt, 55.1% Effective FG, 88.1% FT. 13.8 shots per game

SC: 18.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.3 bpg, 3.0 TO/game, 48.7% FG, 41.1% 3pt, 59.4% Effective FG, 82.9% FT. 11.6 shots per game

Above are a lot of stats for 4 wonderful college players. I present them with a point of emphasis, solely to make the case that the fourth player on the list certainly deserves to be in the company of the other three.

And she has significantly less talent around her vs the other 3.

While that is true candidate three looks better for AA status than I thought if the first two made it!

 

[Vowelguy]

I don't get this participation trophy mentality that sounds like: well no other team had more that one player selected so it seems to be fair. Lauren Cox of Baylor got votes and Kalani Brown of Baylor made 2nd team.
KLS, Jackie Young, & Ruth Hebard SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED consideration (votes) at least equal to the consideration given to Lauren Cox and Sophie Cunningham.

Again, do you understand that this is a result of 3 people giving their top 10 list?

 

[CocoHusky]

Again, do you understand that this is a result of 3 people giving their top 10 list?

Fully. Namely Charlie Creme, Graham Hays and Mechelle Voepel.

 

[bballnut90]

Arike: 21.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.9 spg, 2.1 TO/game, 44.6% FG, 34.9% 3pt, 49.8% Effective FG, 78.4% FT. 16.9 shots per game

Durr: 21.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.8 TO/game, 44.3% FG, 34.7% 3pt, 52.7% Effective FG, 82.6% FT. 16.7 shots per game

KLS: 18.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.6 bpg, 1.6 TO/game, 45.8% FG, 37.8% 3pt, 55.1% Effective FG, 88.1% FT. 13.8 shots per game

SC: 18.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.3 bpg, 3.0 TO/game, 48.7% FG, 41.1% 3pt, 59.4% Effective FG, 82.9% FT. 11.6 shots per game

Above are a lot of stats for 4 wonderful college players. I present them with a point of emphasis, solely to make the case that the fourth player on the list certainly deserves to be in the company of the other three.

And she has significantly less talent around her vs the other 3.

But SC's team just isn't very good. Durr/Ogunbowale/KLS are on top 5 teams. That's like saying Kristine Anigwe should be first teamer over McCowan.

 

[PJCLaw]

At least 7 of them would be in play. In sheer basketball terms KLS is still the best player in the country. How is Durr a better player than KLS. She just shoots more than KLS and what's with this Carleton from Iowa St? This is just typical stupid ESPN stuff.

If you believe the Lou is the BEST player in the country this year, then you obviously are ignoring the defensive side of the court. With all due respect to Lou, who I like a lot, she’s not even the best player on her team this year. Pheesa is having arguably a better senior year than any UCONN Senior has had since MM back in ‘10-‘11. Most importantly, she has impacted the game DEFENSIVELY.

Lou has improved her game on the defensive end and expanded her offensive repertoire, but Pheesa has been the better player, and I don’t think it’s close. She proved her worth when Lou was out and she, not only led the team to victory, did so in DOMINATING, record breaking, fashion!!

If Pheesa was out instead of Lou, I believe we still would have won the conference championship, but it would have required a monster effort from MW and ONO to step up even more than she did, to replace the inside, and outside, presence of Pheesa!

 

[maccca3232]

Arike: 21.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.9 spg, 2.1 TO/game, 44.6% FG, 34.9% 3pt, 49.8% Effective FG, 78.4% FT. 16.9 shots per game

Durr: 21.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.8 TO/game, 44.3% FG, 34.7% 3pt, 52.7% Effective FG, 82.6% FT. 16.7 shots per game

KLS: 18.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.6 bpg, 1.6 TO/game, 45.8% FG, 37.8% 3pt, 55.1% Effective FG, 88.1% FT. 13.8 shots per game

SC: 18.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.3 bpg, 3.0 TO/game, 48.7% FG, 41.1% 3pt, 59.4% Effective FG, 82.9% FT. 11.6 shots per game

Above are a lot of stats for 4 wonderful college players. I present them with a point of emphasis, solely to make the case that the fourth player on the list certainly deserves to be in the company of the other three.

And she has significantly less talent around her vs the other 3.

I prefer to have a subset (or 'Qualified') data set vs higher competition as opposed to full seasons stats.

I will have report publicly available tomorrow which you can customize yourself using both criteria (i.e. RPI, Massey, AP or USA Today) and ranking (enter separately for H, N and A games) and date range (by week) for all the Top Players.

 

[Fightin Choke]

While that is true candidate three looks better for AA status than I thought if the first two made it!

Effective FG% may make Lou look like an AA when compared to Arike and Asia, but Lou is not really having a good year based on this stat. Arike is the only starter for Notre Dame that has an effective FG% that is lower than Lou's In fact, KLS is ranked 238th in the NCAA in Effective FG% (LINK). Guards Jackie Young (57.1% 150th) and Marina Mabrey (62.1% 36th) rank far higher. AA is based on more than raw stats.

By the way, Pheesa (62.8% 28th) and Brianna Turner (64.1% 19th) rank highly here but are dwarfed by Gustafson (69.7% 2nd).

 

[inthisopinion]

I will not be surprised if voters for various awards take the chance this year to 'feed their Uconn fatigue' and vote only one player to any of the awards. Given a chance when Uconn is not undefeated in the reg season they can have an excuse not to put two or three Uconn players into AA teams. And Lou's less than perfect year gives them an opening.

She is still playing at AA level I think with her rebounding and assists and assist/TO ratio even if she is not shooting the three at better than 40%.

KLS is still shooting 3s at a higher % than both Durr & Arike who are both considered 3pt shooters. This stuff about her not making 3s is in comparison to her & she led the country last season while being a do it all player & leader. It shows how she is wrongly still considered just a 3pt shooter by many in the national media and let's be honest even many on this board & local media because her all-around season is not being recognized much at all.

 

[IWearShoes]

I prefer to have a subset (or 'Qualified') data set vs higher competition as opposed to full seasons stats.

I will have report publicly available tomorrow which you can customize yourself using both criteria (i.e. RPI, Massey, AP or USA Today) and ranking (enter separately for H, N and A games) and date range (by week) for all the Top Players.

Interested to see your data. I can tell you based on eye and stats that Sophie was a nightmare twice for the best team on Mizzou's SEC schedule.

 

[IWearShoes]

But SC's team just isn't very good. Durr/Ogunbowale/KLS are on top 5 teams. That's like saying Kristine Anigwe should be first teamer over McCowan.

Not really. Anigwe takes an inordinate amount of her teams shots and is not as efficient offensively as McCowan, mainly because she's depended on much more. She's still a hell of a player deserving of AA this year if we're talking best 10-15 players.

I'm trying to show that Sophie is as or more efficient of a scorer than the other three, while being the major focus of any opponent's D. I'm missing why you think her being on a lesser team invalidates how efficient she is on offense.

 

[maccca3232]

Interested to see your data. I can tell you based on eye and stats that Sophie was a nightmare twice for the best team on Mizzou's SEC schedule.

My most recent post on stats only included 'Efficiency' but the new report will also include 'Usage Rate' and an 'Impact' value (which is essentially 'Efficiency' x 'Usage Rate').

In relation to Sophie specifically the reason she was so low in table is her first two games vs good competition this year were really inefficient.

 

[MilfordHusky]

Lou isn’t even the best player on her team

Arike probably isn't either.

 

[bbsamjj]

KLS is no doubt a great player. But I go back to her performances against the great teams:

ND: Amazing team efforts by UCONN, no doubt. But KLS probably had the 3rd best game for UConn behind Williams (28pts, 11-16 shooting) and Collier (16pts, 15 rebounds). KLS was 3rd on the team in scoring, 4th in rebounds, first in assists, but had a bad day from the field (5-16). Arike shot even worse, but also had 10 rebounds and 5 assists for ND.

Baylor: KLS once again struggled from field (4-16), though she did have a double double with 12pts and 11bds. Kalani Brown had 22pts and 17 rebounds.

Louisville: Arguable the 3rd best player on UConn again compared to Collier and Dangerfield that night. 16pts, 3 rebounds, 4 assists; 5-13 shooting. Durr had 24pt (8-18), 3 rebounds, 2 assists.

Now against Cal--not a great team, KLS was unquestionably the best player on UCONN (22pts, 11bds, 9-14FG), and outshone Anigwe (10pts, 14bds, 5-16 shooting).

So while I think KLS is an excellent player, might even make my top 10, I would argue she has by and large not played her best against the best competition (and in fact, been outshone by not only Collier, but the AA on the other team).

 

[triaddukefan]

I’m not buying Lou being injured had anything to do with the votes. Zion Williamson from Duke will sweep all the NPOY awards on the men’s side and he’s missed more games than Lou.

Zion had a better season..... not even up for comparison.

He's clearly the best player on his team... in the conference, in the country, and he plays offense and defense (finalist for the national defensive player of the year). Cant say the same for Samuelson.

 

[Plebe]

Zion had a better season..... not even up for comparison. View attachment 40939View attachment 40939View attachment 40939View attachment 40939View attachment 40939 He's clearly the best player on his team... in the conference, in the country, and he plays offense and defense (finalist for the national defensive player of the year). Cant say the same for Samuelson.

Zion is a once-in-a-generation player. The greatest phenom in his sport since LeBron. He has no comparison in the current college ranks, male or female. The most recent ballpark comparison might be Stewie, but imagine if Stewie had scored 22 ppg and shot 68% as a freshman.

 

[IWearShoes]

So, just to be clear, are y'all saying that Zion is a good ballplayer?

 

[DeeHusky]

Zion is a once-in-a-generation player. The greatest phenom in his sport since LeBron. He has no comparison in the current college ranks, male or female. The most recent ballpark comparison might be Stewie, but imagine if Stewie had scored 22 ppg and shot 68% as a freshman.

Agreed you can only make those kind of comparisons if it was a transcendent player like Stewart, Parker, Delle Donne, Griner, Moore, and toot horn Taurasi lol. Lou is a fan favorite and I feel that many people on this board think she deserves awards over others that have worked harder; they’re clearly biased. Some players have just had better seasons.

 

[npignatjr]

I honestly think what hurt KLS the most is that Collier has had such an outstanding year. No team had more than a player on the list, which I think also reflects the vast parity in WCBB this year.

Also, in the four biggest games of the year for UCONN that I'm sure everyone watched (ND, Baylor, Lou, SC), she's had spotty offensive performances, averaging 18ppg, 34% FG, 22% 3-pt, 6.5rpg, 4apg.

(In contrast, Collier averaged 21ppg, 12.5rpg, and 53% FG in those four games)

18 mpg is not spotty and when the rout of ND was taking place Collier was on the bench in foul trouble

 

[Centerstream]

If you believe the Lou is the BEST player in the country this year, then you obviously are ignoring the defensive side of the court. With all due respect to Lou, who I like a lot, she’s not even the best player on her team this year. Pheesa is having arguably a better senior year than any UCONN Senior has had since MM back in ‘10-‘11. Most importantly, she has impacted the game DEFENSIVELY.

Lou has improved her game on the defensive end and expanded her offensive repertoire, but Pheesa has been the better player, and I don’t think it’s close. She proved her worth when Lou was out and she, not only led the team to victory, did so in DOMINATING, record breaking, fashion!!

If Pheesa was out instead of Lou, I believe we still would have won the conference championship, but it would have required a monster effort from MW and ONO to step up even more than she did, to replace the inside, and outside, presence of Pheesa!

I don't think any of us Huskies fans are comparing Pheesa to Lou in terms of NPOY but comparing Lou to the DIRTIEST player in WCBB (AO) and Durr as far as being on the AA 1st team, picked by 3 ESPN bozos.

 

[ABCDFE]

Regardless of whether she deserves to be on the ESPNW AA team or not, I hope she takes this personally and shows everyone that she deserved at least some votes and consideration. My hope is that chip is getting heavier by the day...

 

[ucbart]

My take is this:

It's been a wide open season and they weren't putting two players from the same team on AA teams when said team had two losses. Now, if UCONN had gone through the season undefeated, Lou would've made it.