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2022 Recruiting: Alex Karaban

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karstenkibbe said:
A year or two after Nadav returned to Israel, he came back to the US and played on the Celtics’ summer league team, which played at the Westchester County Center (hosted by the Knicks). I sat there nightly with my friends, as I watched Red Auerbach puffing away and grinning ear to ear. I truly felt over the course of that week that Nadav would end up a Celtic. I was wrong.
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I think the NBA talent guys knew that Nadav had a place in the NBA.. But I also think they knew his heart was in Israel. As it should have been.

It was fun while we had him..JC loved the guy.
 
husky429 said:
He was also only good for one season. Or maybe underutilized the others, idk. I would hope we get a lot more out of Karaban, even if they do have a similar style.
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I was going to write something similar to this.

From the videos I've seen of Karaban, I'm reminded of a mature, late-stage Niels type of game already.

The jump from HS to D1 rarely shows up as immediate & seamless, but I sense that the collective enthusism here is an expectation toward Karaban being such a player. The Niels we fondly recall didn't flower until his final half-season.

If this (or something similar) is Alex, sign me up all the way.

EDIT: I hope that changing "rnthudissm" to "enthusiasm" doesn't change the opinion of those who Liked the post as originally posted.
 
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Hans Sprungfeld said:
I was going to write something similar to this.

From the videos I've seen of Karaban, I'm reminded of a mature, late-stage Niels type of game already.

The jump from HS to D1 rarely shows up as immediate & seamless, but I sense that the collective rnthudissm here is an expectation toward such a player. The Niels we fondly recall didn't flower until his final half-season.

If this (or something similar) is Alex, sign me up all the way.
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Well said
 
karstenkibbe said:
Actually had nothing to do with NCAA rules. Nadav was under intense pressure from the Israel Basketball Association to return home. The million dollar offer from Maccabee Tel Aviv wasn’t the deciding factor. While Henefeld’s family wasn’t nearly as well off as Doron’s, he wasn’t starving for money. It was a different time in Israel and the the basketball establishment wanted him to come home. So he went home.
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I have heard a similar story
 
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HooperScooper said:
Henefeld talked about it. It was common knowledge why he left UConn. I think @karstenkibbe was just setting the facts straight for those not familiar with the situation.
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Confirmed. Didn’t like where Chief was going with that insinuation and I wanted to make sure history wasn’t being rewritten here. His decision had zero to do with “being in his interest” to return to Israel due to NCAA rules, as Chief stated. Henefeld was a team-first player. Selfless. Not selfish.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
Nadav was the most important individual in that season’s full court press. His ability to anticipate passes and intercept them was uncanny.
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And have Scottie B hunting on the other side was equally as lethal of a choice for the opponents to dribble or pass. Basically had two lock down CB's on the floor at the same time.
 
pj said:
Decisiveness is underrated. I remember watching Mike Miller in high school, he was just so aggressive the defense always seemed to be off-balance or on the back of their feet. Wouldn't mind a Mike Miller 2.0 on the Huskies.
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I have little specific recollection of Mike Miller in HS but I do agree with your point of constantly playing downhill and pressuring the defense can get you that extra bit of room to square up shoulders near the rim, get that extra bit of room for a mid range J or open up a passing lane. Playing every set with urgency and imparting the sense of urgency on your defender becomes tiresome.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I have little specific recollection of Mike Miller in HS but I do agree with your point of constantly playing downhill and pressuring the defense can get you that extra bit of room to square up shoulders near the rim, get that extra bit of room for a mid range J or open up a passing lane. Playing every set with urgency and imparting the sense of urgency on your defender becomes tiresome.
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Yes, also extra passing lanes. Miller was so impressive because he always knew what he was going to do and never wasted a moment, he could shoot and drive and pass and at the moment the ball touched his hands he was already executing his move. The defense seemed to break down every play. He had a few teammates who were also aggressive and this attacking style was very effective. Karaban should get some Mike Miller tape, that's probably his path to the NBA.
 
Umami Zen said:
Chiefster-- Not challenging you on your statement.. Curious what you meant. Would like to hear your perspective on Nadav.
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Really don’t want to revisits specifics but suffice to say what an international player can do and what the NCAA allows one to do is very different. Nothing nefarious, just different Worlds. Of course, Chief very much enjoyed watching Nadav play and I have nothing but great respect for him at a personal level.
 
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karstenkibbe said:
Actually had nothing to do with NCAA rules. Nadav was under intense pressure from the Israel Basketball Association to return home. The million dollar offer from Maccabee Tel Aviv wasn’t the deciding factor. While Henefeld’s family wasn’t nearly as well off as Doron’s, he wasn’t starving for money. It was a different time in Israel and the the basketball establishment wanted him to come home. So he went home.
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The big contract was from Galil Elyon, but yeah, the rest is accurate.
 
Mr. Wonderful said:
The big contract was from Galil Elyon, but yeah, the rest is accurate.
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Don’t want to derail the Karaban thread even more, but misinformation on the internet rubs me the wrong way. He played as an amateur with the pros on Hapoel G.E. PRIOR to arriving in Storrs. The big contract was in fact with Mac T.A. ... so, yeah, it’s all accurate.
 
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Umami Zen said:
I think the NBA talent guys knew that Nadav had a place in the NBA.. But I also think they knew his heart was in Israel. As it should have been.

It was fun while we had him..JC loved the guy.
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I sometimes go back and watch the first half of the UConn-California game in the 2nd round of the Dream Season. You can literally see a player (Nadav) dominate every single intangible aspect of a basketball game without scoring. Passing lanes, tipping rebounds, the extra pass, spacing, etc. He was on a whole other level of bball IQ in that first half. Personified the "make everyone else better" idea.
 
You have to wonder how far we would’ve gone if he had stayed, and whether it would have led to an NBA career for him. But, to paraphrase Calhoun, “it was storybook, the kid shows up out of nowhere, leads the team on an incredible run and then rides off into the sunset.” It is a really cool part of the UConn legend.
 
boog204 said:
I sometimes go back and watch the first half of the UConn-California game in the 2nd round of the Dream Season. You can literally see a player (Nadav) dominate every single intangible aspect of a basketball game without scoring. Passing lanes, tipping rebounds, the extra pass, spacing, etc. He was on a whole other level of bball IQ in that first half. Personified the "make everyone else better" idea.
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That kind of stuff really can't be learned the way ballhandling or shooting can with a lot of work. The reason why Jackson's game is so exciting to me is the stuff you can't learn--getting in the lanes, athleticism, IQ, rebounding, pacing, etc.--he seems to really excel at. He just has a great feel for the game on both ends. He had some freshman jitters on defense, but I'm not concerned.

When he learns the stuff that CAN be improved like his shooting and a dribble-drive, he's going to have much less to learn to become a complete player than most 6'7 guards.

Karaban is kind of in the same boat. The game sense is off the charts. He's just going to need to adjust to the speed of the game, but his learning curve will be steeper than most because of his high iq style of play.
 
husky429 said:
That kind of stuff really can't be learned the way ballhandling or shooting can with a lot of work. The reason why Jackson's game is so exciting to me is the stuff you can't learn--getting in the lanes, athleticism, IQ, rebounding, pacing, etc.--he seems to really excel at. He just has a great feel for the game on both ends. He had some freshman jitters on defense, but I'm not concerned.

When he learns the stuff that CAN be improved like his shooting and a dribble-drive, he's going to have much less to learn to become a complete player than most 6'7 guards.

Karaban is kind of in the same boat. The game sense is off the charts. He's just going to need to adjust to the speed of the game, but his learning curve will be steeper than most because of his high iq style of play.
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Props on the correct usage of learning curve!

Take note people: A steep learning curve means you learn fast, not the opposite, as it's almost always incorrectly used.
 
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boog204 said:
I sometimes go back and watch the first half of the UConn-California game in the 2nd round of the Dream Season. You can literally see a player (Nadav) dominate every single intangible aspect of a basketball game without scoring. Passing lanes, tipping rebounds, the extra pass, spacing, etc. He was on a whole other level of bball IQ in that first half. Personified the "make everyone else better" idea.
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KInd of reminds me of Gretzky's characterization of his approach to hockey when asked.."How do you explain why you're always in the right position to score or assist on a play..Right place/right time.?" He said he tried to not to be where the puck is/was but rather where he thought it was going to be/end up. Thinking ahead .

Sports IQ on another level. Different sport but similar concept. Dav was the same way.
 
husky429 said:
That kind of stuff really can't be learned the way ballhandling or shooting can with a lot of work. The reason why Jackson's game is so exciting to me is the stuff you can't learn--getting in the lanes, athleticism, IQ, rebounding, pacing, etc.--he seems to really excel at. He just has a great feel for the game on both ends. He had some freshman jitters on defense, but I'm not concerned.

When he learns the stuff that CAN be improved like his shooting and a dribble-drive, he's going to have much less to learn to become a complete player than most 6'7 guards.

Karaban is kind of in the same boat. The game sense is off the charts. He's just going to need to adjust to the speed of the game, but his learning curve will be steeper than most because of his high iq style of play.
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Good point on pace. He did seem to be able to move the ball from defense to offense while navigating traffic.
He was also really good going from being covered to being wide open with or without the ball.
 
Umami Zen said:
KInd of reminds me of Gretzky's characterization of his approach to hockey when asked.."How do you explain why you're always in the right position to score or assist on a play..Right place/right time.?" He said he tried to not to be where the puck is/was but rather where he thought it was going to be/end up. Thinking ahead .

Sports IQ on another level. Different sport but similar concept. Dav was the same way.
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I don't know why this piece of Gretzky's "wisdom" is so often cited as if it is revelatory. Most animals try to "skate to where the puck will be," whatever that may mean for a given creature. Otherwise, they would never be able to move, eat, etc. To me, this is as academic as saying, "Well, you see, my secret is shooting the puck between the uprights and under the crossbar."

Not picking on you personally.
 
Get a Job said:
I don't know why this piece of Gretzky's "wisdom" is so often cited as if it is revelatory. Most animals try to "skate to where the puck will be," whatever that may mean for a given creature. Otherwise, they would never be able to move, eat, etc. To me, this is as academic as saying, "Well, you see, my secret is shooting the puck between the uprights and under the crossbar."

Not picking on you personally.
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It's not quite so simple. Mediocre scorers assume the most likely outcome, which is skillful play on the part of the opponent, and optimize for that. Great scorers know that most goals come off mistakes by the opponent, and they position themselves for the most likely mistake. It may happen only 5% of the time but when it does they get a goal out of it. Gretzky had great judgment about which scenario to position himself for.
 
pj said:
It's not quite so simple. Mediocre scorers assume the most likely outcome, which is skillful play on the part of the opponent, and optimize for that. Great scorers know that most goals come off mistakes by the opponent, and they position themselves for the most likely mistake. It may happen only 5% of the time but when it does they get a goal out of it. Gretzky had great judgment about which scenario to position himself for.
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Now that's revelatory! But that doesn't change the fact that the above-quoted cliché is trite, bordering on meaningless.
 
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Get a Job said:
I don't know why this piece of Gretzky's "wisdom" is so often cited as if it is revelatory. Most animals try to "skate to where the puck will be," whatever that may mean for a given creature. Otherwise, they would never be able to move, eat, etc. To me, this is as academic as saying, "Well, you see, my secret is shooting the puck between the uprights and under the crossbar."

Not picking on you personally.
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Not picking on you personally but no one did it better than Gretzky and in his era.. Not many hockey players had articulated this insight prior to Gretzky. I think your journalistic generalization of his talent is trivializing the unique skillset that was rarely displayed at his level by his peers.

Nadav had similar instincts on the basketball court.. Not exclusively unique to him but certainly noteworthy.

No need to fall into the Get a Job banter of critique over content so I'll move on .BTW.. Not picking on you personally.
 
Huskyforlife said:
wow
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Holy crap.

He had another 22 point outing yesterday at Pangos too. Kid is due for a huge rankings bump if these evaluators have eyes.

FWIW his performances so far were

7 PTS
9 REB
0 AST

2 TO
1 BLK
0 STL

3/9 FG
1/6 3FG
0/0 FT

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22 PTS
3 REB
4 AST

1 TO
1 BLK
0 STL

7/10 FG
4/5 3FG
4/4 FT

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14 PTS
5 REB
1 AST

1 TO
0 BLK
0 STL

6/12 FG
2/6 3FG
0/0 FT

You can find any of the box scores here... the top 30 game the tweet references isn't up yet. Pangos21.all-americancamp.game.schedule

Westry, Williams, Epps, Bowen, Lively, Isaiah Miranda were also there. I think that's it for our recruits. Also Corey Floyd.
 
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