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BNich said:
Why would you say that"? Look what Strong did with UL with the limit resources (compared to UT). Imagine what he can do at UT. The sky is the limit I think. I love the guys energy and intensity. Seems his kids always played hard for him. I think Strong is a great pick up for UT.
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I don't think Strong is a very good coach. His teams struggled for all the talent they had. Give him credit though for winning many close ones.

Franklin at Vandy has been more impressive, IMO.
 
FDNY99 said:
That's funny because my friends in NE PA were hoping it would have been Golden. In fact the State Senator my buddy knows who is on the PSU BOT and a PSU grad said that Golden looked to be the top choice. But that was before Munchak was fired and his availability changed all of the sudden. I know he was the guy they wanted to se hired when B OB got the job.
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Golden was the top choice. I'm just glad he turned them down to go after Franklin. Not sure about Munchak.
 
upstater said:
I don't think Strong is a very good coach. His teams struggled for all the talent they had. Give him credit though for winning many close ones.

Franklin at Vandy has been more impressive, IMO.
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Struggled? They went 12-1 this year. Only loss was a 3 point loss to UCF. 11-2 a year ago, and 7-6 in his first two year taking over a team that was 4-8 the previous year. He turned the program around, righted the ship and won quite a few games. His first recruiting class were seniors this year and you see the result. I think he will be great at Texas. He has an incredible talent pool to pick from and as I mentioned some of the best resources of any school in the country.
 
BNich said:
Struggled? They went 12-1 this year. Only loss was a 3 point loss to UCF. 11-2 a year ago, and 7-6 in his first two year taking over a team that was 4-8 the previous year. He turned the program around, righted the ship and won quite a few games. His first recruiting class were seniors this year and you see the result. I think he will be great at Texas. He has an incredible talent pool to pick from and as I mentioned some of the best resources of any school in the country.
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I wasn't only talking about this year. Look at the scores of their games last year and the previous year. The level of competition and their performance was not that impressive. Heck, one of the worst UConn teams of the last 15 years beat them. Paul Pasqualoni beat them.
 
Strong had a very fundamentally sound team. Nothing fancy good tackling good cstches. Without Bridgewater they are still a 7-8 win team. He was very fortunate to have a five star qb during histenure . At Texas he will have a team of five star players but many of the coaches are a lot craftier. Hope he gets a good oc
 
upstater said:
I wasn't only talking about this year. Look at the scores of their games last year and the previous year. The level of competition and their performance was not that impressive. Heck, one of the worst UConn teams of the last 15 years beat them. Paul Pasqualoni beat them.
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You spoke of talent. UConn has talent. We've seen that. They had terrible coaching, but the talent is there. Sometimes teams play down to their opponents level. We see it every year. Last years team was much closer to having much more than 5 wins than most think.
 
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Here's a post from a Miami fan on the PSU board:

Just Wanted To Thank You GuysReply

For setting our program back 3 years.

The damn guy played for you and is obsessed with JoePa and you couldn't offer him a damn contract on time? He dresses like the man, for duck's sake. In south Florida!! This dope waddles around our sideline dressed like a McDonald's manager while clinging to life in sweltering heat. He's covered in butt sweat with a face redder than a baboon''s assss before the ball is even kicked off. Every home game is a fight for his life.

He went 0-4 against the 4 best teams on our schedule this year. Average score 17-42.

He's 1-12 against teams that won 8 or more games while at Miami.

His best friend allows 500 yards a game while eating his own boogers in the booth.

We personally helped him pack and were ready to drive him to the airport and you fcking blew it. I hope Nunchuck becomes your coach and all his limbs fall off on opening weekend. A pox on your homes and families for sending us this transfat loving, gluten shoveling, lumpy XXXXX. Take him back already. We hope his tie gets caught in a high-powered ceiling fan.


I hope your Athletic director gets crabs.

Cheers.
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TRest said:
Excellent rant. Wake me up when Al Golden wins anything of note.
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Yeah, I don't get certain PSU fans' obsession with Golden and to a much larger degree, Schiano.

Neither has done much to distinguish himself as a HC. Golden's had the sanctions to deal with but he's also been at Miami...in the ACC. Schiano had reached full retread status and had RE eat his lunch as a program builder.

The only candidate name that could be more ridiculous for that program, if floated, would be Matt Millen.
 
Golden did a great job at Temple. He took arguably one of the worst D1 prgorams in the country and at the very least made them respectable for their league. He also left the program in dramatically better condition than what he inherited, leaving Adazzio something to work with and not have to "rebuild".
The jury is still out at Miami. He walked into an absolute show of a mess, and has done a decent job so far in cleaning it up, dealing w/ NCAA investigators/sanctions, etc... At the very least he has begun to right the ship. It will be interesting to see where he has that program in another couple years when all the NCAA crap is in the rear view.
 
SubbaBub said:
Yeah, I don't get certain PSU fans' obsession with Golden and to a much larger degree, Schiano.

Neither has done much to distinguish himself as a HC. Golden's had the sanctions to deal with but he's also been at Miami...in the ACC. Schiano had reached full retread status and had RE eat his lunch as a program builder.

The only candidate name that could be more ridiculous for that program, if floated, would be Matt Millen.
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The PSU fans I know wnt NOTHING to do with Greg Schiano. That "interest" is perpertrated by the Press because he was. db coach under Sandusky (he is also considered "a Sandusky guy").
 
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SAMCRO said:
Golden did a great job at Temple. He took arguably one of the worst D1 prgorams in the country and at the very least made them respectable for their league. He also left the program in dramatically better condition than what he inherited, leaving Adazzio something to work with and not have to "rebuild".
The jury is still out at Miami. He walked into an absolute show of a mess, and has done a decent job so far in cleaning it up, dealing w/ NCAA investigators/sanctions, etc... At the very least he has begun to right the ship. It will be interesting to see where he has that program in another couple years when all the NCAA crap is in the rear view.
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Golden did do a good job. He basically made Temple solvent again. But just don't think he is the kind of coach that is capable of building world beating dynastys.
 
upstater said:
Golden was the top choice. I'm just glad he turned them down to go after Franklin. Not sure about Munchak.
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...and it takes one potential candidate for Louisville off the board.
 
upstater said:
And PSU fans breathe a sigh of relief. Some columnists in PA are up in arms over Franklin's candidacy given the scandal at Vanderbilt. They could try to pressure PSU into not hiring him.

Munchak, on the other hand, will likely look for an NFL assistant's job.
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Penn State is starting to look/sound like post-Bryant BAMA and post-Wooden UCLA. No coach will be able to escape the "this is not what Joe Pa would do" faction for years. It's going to be a hard place on a coach's stomach lining.
 
FAIRTIDES said:
Penn State is starting to look/sound like post-Bryant BAMA and post-Wooden UCLA. No coach will be able to escape the "this is not what Joe Pa would do" faction for years. It's going to be a hard place on a coach's stomach lining.
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O'Brien got 100% support from the fans and Paterno people around the program.

They weren't the problem. O'Brien's problem is with the AD. Google Michael Mauti and Dave Joyner and you'll get a sense of the problem. The players voted to ban the AD from the sidelines and from talking to them.

He is an interim AD and they are hiring the President first, and then the new AD. After that, I don't think there will be any factions, since the old guard has totally moved on.
 
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2Infinity said:
Well it doesn't seem like O'Brien had 100% support from the Paterno people after all. While they were very likely not his main problem at PSU, they may well have been what caused him to finally run from "Happy Valley".

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/bill-obrien-joe-paterno-penn-state-rant/
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It's been discussed in this thread. You're quoting Davy Jones. The problem has always been Joyner. O'Brien and the Paterno people published private messages that were not CYA after this article.
 
huskymedic said:
You can go sign a petition of support to show that paterno supporters supported him: https://www.change.org/petitions/co...-acknowledge-paterno-supporters-supported-him :p:D
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This is ridiculous! It's almost like they want to absolve themselves of any guilt in his departure, so they will now be given a chance to attest to their support of him AFTER the fact! How self-serving! I found this line in the petition to be particularly humorous. "There simply is no evidence that the majority of Joe Paterno supporters did not support Bill O'Brien as head football coach at Penn State and overwhelming evidence that in fact they did support Mr. O'Brien nearly unanimously." How could anyone possibly know this?!? :confused:
 
upstater said:
It's been discussed in this thread. You're quoting Davy Jones. The problem has always been Joyner. O'Brien and the Paterno people published private messages that were not CYA after this article.
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Well, as mentioned, I don't think that was his main problem at PSU, that may have well been Joyner. However, when a guy says he's so aggravated with the Paterno people that he could just put his fist through his car windshield...then I'd say that it IS an issue.
 
2Infinity said:
Well, as mentioned, I don't think that was his main problem at PSU, that may have well been Joyner. However, when a guy says he's so aggravated with the Paterno people that he could just put his fist through his car windshield...then I'd say that it IS an issue.
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You're taking it out of context. Jones was recording the conversation and he kept asking over and over about the firing of Ron Vanderlinden. Over and over. O'Brien told Jones that he wasn't going to talk about it multiple times. And Jones had been after him for weeks but O'Brien never returned his calls. The whole comment was about Vanderlinden. The headline and the out-of-context quotes are smart editing. Who are the Paterno people anyway? The family? Old close fans and boosters of Paterno? If so then why was O'Brien writing private messages to the Paterno people prior to this blow up?

It's much more likely that he was answering Jones' question directly about why he fired Vanderlinden. O'Brien wanted to put his fist through the window because of his frustration with the Paterno coaches still on staff. Well, he fired him.

Why did he leave? I'm going to guess because he tripled his salary and because he hated the AD Joyner. Joyner assured him there would be no sanctions and that PSU would fight them to the fullest. O'Brien wanted out after his first year. He negotiated his buyout down last year. When he came back again this year, his wife threatened to sue Joyner and PSU for hiring him under false pretenses. O'Brien was essentially in an Al Golden/Miami situation.

There is no Paterno person who wields power other than the one board member who got elected last year and then joined the Paterno family suit. That person also got on O'Brien's nerves because he thought the board should move on from the scandal. But that's not who he was referring to in this case. In this case, it was the coaches, the biggest one who was already fired from coaching there.
 
TRest said:
Excellent rant. Wake me up when Al Golden wins anything of note.
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I certainly hope you don't think Addazio is any good, then. He wishes he was Golden.
 
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upstater said:
You're taking it out of context. Jones was recording the conversation and he kept asking over and over about the firing of Ron Vanderlinden. Over and over. O'Brien told Jones that he wasn't going to talk about it multiple times. And Jones had been after him for weeks but O'Brien never returned his calls. The whole comment was about Vanderlinden. The headline and the out-of-context quotes are smart editing. Who are the Paterno people anyway? The family? Old close fans and boosters of Paterno? If so then why was O'Brien writing private messages to the Paterno people prior to this blow up?

It's much more likely that he was answering Jones' question directly about why he fired Vanderlinden. O'Brien wanted to put his fist through the window because of his frustration with the Paterno coaches still on staff. Well, he fired him.

Why did he leave? I'm going to guess because he tripled his salary and because he hated the AD Joyner. Joyner assured him there would be no sanctions and that PSU would fight them to the fullest. O'Brien wanted out after his first year. He negotiated his buyout down last year. When he came back again this year, his wife threatened to sue Joyner and PSU for hiring him under false pretenses. O'Brien was essentially in an Al Golden/Miami situation.

There is no Paterno person who wields power other than the one board member who got elected last year and then joined the Paterno family suit. That person also got on O'Brien's nerves because he thought the board should move on from the scandal. But that's not who he was referring to in this case. In this case, it was the coaches, the biggest one who was already fired from coaching there.
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Are you talking about the original article or USA Today article? http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/01/bill_obrien_the_outsider_arriv.html - Original article convo seems pretty clear to me.

>>"O’Brien’s ire also was raised that day by my suggestion that a faction of Joe Paterno-era loyalists seemed to me to be miffed by Vanderlinden’s departure or dismissal, depending upon their view, and that they might want some sort of explanation. The former linebackers coach had been the second-longest-tenured member of the staff, dating to 2000, one of only two remaining staff members hired by the legendary coach. This really got O’Brien going:

“You can print this: You can print that I don’t really give a ---- what the ‘Paterno people’ think about what I do with this program. I’ve done everything I can to show respect to Coach Paterno. Everything in my power. So I could really care less about what the Paterno faction of people, or whatever you call them, think about what I do with the program. I’m tired of it."<<
 
huskymedic said:
Are you talking about the original article or USA Today article? http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/01/bill_obrien_the_outsider_arriv.html - Original article convo seems pretty clear to me.

>>"O’Brien’s ire also was raised that day by my suggestion that a faction of Joe Paterno-era loyalists seemed to me to be miffed by Vanderlinden’s departure or dismissal, depending upon their view, and that they might want some sort of explanation. The former linebackers coach had been the second-longest-tenured member of the staff, dating to 2000, one of only two remaining staff members hired by the legendary coach. This really got O’Brien going:

“You can print this: You can print that I don’t really give a ---- what the ‘Paterno people’ think about what I do with this program. I’ve done everything I can to show respect to Coach Paterno. Everything in my power. So I could really care less about what the Paterno faction of people, or whatever you call them, think about what I do with the program. I’m tired of it."<<
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Well, that's not the original article. But yes, that's the context. He was asking about why he fired Vanderlinden. As I said, O'Brien had 100% support, including from the former players and the Paterno family in particular. After Jones wrote the first paragraph you linked to, the Paterno people linked to emails they shared with O'Brien about the Jones article. Who are the Paterno people if not his sons Scott and Jay? Is it the BOT member? I wouldn't even know why they care about Vanderlinden.
 
My impression was that BOB wanted to be a FB coach and didn't really want to be the spokesperson for the U. With the power vacuum unfilled by a lame duck prez with tepid support and infighting amongst the BOT, it fell to him.

Add in some old timers looking to regain influence or just howling at the changes he made and BOB saw the life of an NFL coach serene by comparison.

That, and he's always wanted to be an NFL HC.
 
SubbaBub said:
My impression was that BOB wanted to be a FB coach and didn't really want to be the spokesperson for the U. With the power vacuum unfilled by a lame duck prez with tepid support and infighting amongst the BOT, it fell to him.

Add in some old timers looking to regain influence or just howling at the changes he made and BOB saw the life of an NFL coach serene by comparison.

That, and he's always wanted to be an NFL HC.
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This is the thing people have to understand, that people following PSU have been seeing all this go on for 2 years. It wasn't the ex-players complaining, it wasn't the Paterno family. There was obviously trouble with Vanderlinden getting along with Butler, the new DC, and there was infighting on the board with the new pro-Paterno people elected to the BOT last year. O'Brien criticized the lawsuit they filed. But is he saying a board member criticized the way he coached football? Insane. Regardless, O'Brien's relationship with Joyner was awful, and it's pretty clear why O'Brien's buyout clause was reduced more than one time. Because Joyner sold him a bill of goods. The sooner PSU can hire an AD, the better.
 
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