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Akok training with Coach Sal

intlzncster said:
The higher up the performance chain you go, the less that's probably true.

Look, pro teams don't spend billions (collectively) on this stuff because it's a pipe dream.

There's a reason guys in the NFL, NBA etc are so much stronger, faster, and athletically superior than they were in the past. And it's not just nutrition (thought that's certainly a piece). It's because the knowledge and fining tuning of the process in exercise science has progressed significantly.
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Sure at the pro level and most college programs (even some of the stuff I've seen them do looks silly) but did you see some of the stuff the past UConn trainer had them doing? He had them lifting 5 lb. dumbells on exercise balls. You're not going to add strength/muscle with some of the stuff he seemed to preach.

The point is the majority of strength stuff is based on what it was always based on- compound lifts or based around them (variations, speed, add ons etc.) Our players have needed to add strength for many years now, I want to get back to this...
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superjohn said:
Sure at the pro level and most college programs (even some of the stuff I've seen them do looks silly) but did you see some of the stuff the past UConn trainer had them doing? He had them lifting 5 lb. dumbells on exercise balls. You're not going to add strength/muscle with some of the stuff he seemed to preach.

The point is the majority of strength stuff is based on what it was always based on- compound lifts or based around them (variations, speed, add ons etc.) Our players have needed to add strength for many years now, I want to get back to this...
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Obviously the need to throw around serious weight. I don't think anyone other than Travis is arguing otherwise. Just that how they go about getting there has been refined over time.
 
husky429 said:
Hes lifting. Its not in the video because its very low weights currently.

Its about developing MOBILITY for heavy lifts, much more than core strength.

Basketball players are more strong and athletic than ever. Look at the Bird/Magic pics from back in the day. Compare that to Giannis/Harden (and hardens doughy by nba standards!!) That's because of strength and conditioning advances.
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Karl Malone is way stronger than any player currently in the NBA. I think a lot of the guys from the 80's would have tossed around the current players like rag dolls. Barkley, Kevin Willis, Rick Mahorn, David Robinson, Oakley, Maurice Lucas etc.
 
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superjohn said:
Most of it's nonsense, the science part comes into play on the food (also not too complicated) not really in the weight room. This isn't splitting the atom, it's fairly easy and the same principles apply from the 70's as they do today. So much of this stuff is overthought these days. You want to gain functional strength you do explosive compound movements and you eat like it's a job.

These exercises are fine for Akok just starting out but they are mostly just accessory and/or finishing exercises. They aren't really going to do anything for his strength. I imagine Sal will have him picking up weights ASAP. I never saw any full sessions with the former strength coach but from what I heard he did seem too wrapped up in the "science" part. I suspect Alosi is a lot better for us.
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Disagree. There is a different level to kinesiology and exercise science that is more academic and rigorous than, say, some bastardized retelling on T-Nation or whatever. In basketball more than arguably any sport, there is so much variation in positions and sizes and style of play that you really need a customized, elite, truly optimizing training plan. Every muscle in the body serves a purpose, and these guys are experts at looking at that structure-function relationship and exploiting it to best serve the player and the team.
 
Mots010 said:
Ben Gordon did not look like that while at UConn.
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Exactly. I remember how shocked I was when I saw Ben with the Bulls. He must have put on 20 pounds of muscle
 
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jesterman said:
Disagree. There is a different level to kinesiology and exercise science that is more academic and rigorous than, say, some bastardized retelling on T-Nation or whatever. In basketball more than arguably any sport, there is so much variation in positions and sizes and style of play that you really need a customized, elite, truly optimizing training plan. Every muscle in the body serves a purpose, and these guys are experts at looking at that structure-function relationship and exploiting it to best serve the player and the team.
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That's great and all but if you want to put on strength and muscle you're doing the major compound movements and you're doing it with heavy weight, there is absolutely no way around that. There is a reason Okafor and Gordon were some of the last UConn players who got appreciably bigger and were built like grown men when they were here and got bigger as they got older. They did the big lifts and they lifted heavy.
 
husky429 said:
Didn't realize we were using the solution as game balls back then. I like them way better than the weird nike ones with the dots on them were using now.
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Blue jersey. We’re away team and using opponents home ball.
 
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superjohn said:
That's great and all but if you want to put on strength and muscle you're doing the major compound movements and you're doing it with heavy weight, there is absolutely no way around that. There is a reason Okafor and Gordon were some of the last UConn players who got appreciably bigger and were built like grown men when they were here and got bigger as they got older. They did the big lifts and they lifted heavy.
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I think you and the Sal truthers (me included) are getting to the same conclusion: it’s imperative to lift heavy and add strength, especially given the current state of our strength and conditioning

Difference seems to be the temporal element, i.e. whether Akok should immediately jump into a heavy lifting program or whether he should first pass through each phase of development that Sal outlines

I’m firmly in the camp that a few weeks (possibly months) of prep to ensure sound mobility and form greatly outweigh any gains from immediate heavy lifting, considering the high risk (not certainty) of injury in the latter

We have time. The kid will get to where we all want. Just need to trust the man who does this for a living
 
superjohn said:
Sure at the pro level and most college programs (even some of the stuff I've seen them do looks silly) but did you see some of the stuff the past UConn trainer had them doing? He had them lifting 5 lb. dumbells on exercise balls. You're not going to add strength/muscle with some of the stuff he seemed to preach.

The point is the majority of strength stuff is based on what it was always based on- compound lifts or based around them (variations, speed, add ons etc.) Our players have needed to add strength for many years now, I want to get back to this...
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@superjohn knows his stuff!
 
superjohn said:
That's great and all but if you want to put on strength and muscle you're doing the major compound movements and you're doing it with heavy weight, there is absolutely no way around that. There is a reason Okafor and Gordon were some of the last UConn players who got appreciably bigger and were built like grown men when they were here and got bigger as they got older. They did the big lifts and they lifted heavy.
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Chief can confirm that - those guys got in the weight room and did the heavy metal. Add Hilton to that list. Hilton was that skinny Freshman, who walked out of here as an NBA 1st rounder.
No one is advocating Akok start with super heavy lifts. But, heavy metal - heck yes!
As many of you know, Chief was never in to the Travis academic theories. You get stronger in a real man’s gym not a library.
 
BackAftaThis said:
Sargent peps buffalo chicken calzone was a staple of mine while at school and extremely underrated when compared to DP
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Best take in BY. Buffy chick from Sargent Peps was the goat calzone. This topic needs its own thread.
 
Anyone who has started a fistfight with Darrell Revis and P Diddy within a couple years of each other is my kind of S&C coach... and he trips Dolphins players as a bonus.

All kidding aside... Anyone can tell that area of the program has been upgraded substantially. Keep up the good work Sal! My 2 cents...
 
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superjohn said:
Sure at the pro level and most college programs (even some of the stuff I've seen them do looks silly) but did you see some of the stuff the past UConn trainer had them doing? He had them lifting 5 lb. dumbells on exercise balls. You're not going to add strength/muscle with some of the stuff he seemed to preach.

The point is the majority of strength stuff is based on what it was always based on- compound lifts or based around them (variations, speed, add ons etc.) Our players have needed to add strength for many years now, I want to get back to this...
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JMick said:
1000x this. Arguably the best late night food option in storrs.
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Nah, their pepperoni bread. It was $4 when I was on campus, throw delivery dude a 5, and you have one of the densest caloric content : price ratio I’ve ever seen
 
Ted's Cheeseburg Grinder is the king of all Storrs munchies foods.
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* No this isn't the Ted's version, but you get the idea.
 
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