OT: Aggressive move I pulled at work.

[UconnU]

So my employer decided to take away our covid pay and bonus structure. Keep in mind it had been in place for a year and a half now and the area is extremely short staffed. When I was informed I said reinstate mine or else I quit and just work F&B, bartend and make just as much. They himmed and hawed so I quit. The next day they reinstated the pay and asked me to come back. In return I not only asked for my covid pay back I asked for a raise! Knowing that they were in a bind staffing wise as a number of people quit. I went back and forth with my DM and agreed on a small raise and the covid pay! I’m just not sure if this was too aggressive a move that may hurt future promotions. I’m like an extreme ENTP these moves don’t typically work out but this one did. I’m in mid level management. Would you have pulled this move?

 

[QuickDraw]

yup

 

[HuskyCLT]

Sounds like it worked, no? Why would standing up for yourself hurt future promotions?

If anything, I’d wonder less about how it affects you in your employer’s eye, and more about what it says about your employer in your eyes.

 

[Stinger92860]

As long as you delivered your message without emotion, then yes, well done. I would also be planning my next move, 12-18 months out, in order to protect yourself. People can be vindictive, even more so after they were dead wrong.

 

[Pgh2Storrs]

So my employer decided to take away our covid pay and bonus structure. Keep in mind it had been in place for a year and a half now and the area is extremely short staffed. When I was informed I said reinstate mine or else I quit and just work F&B, bartend and make just as much. They himmed and hawed so I quit. The next day they reinstated the pay and asked me to come back. In return I not only asked for my covid pay back I asked for a raise! Knowing that they were in a bind staffing wise as a number of people quit. I went back and forth with my DM and agreed on a small raise and the covid pay! I’m just not sure if this was too aggressive a move that may hurt future promotions. I’m like an extreme ENTP these moves don’t typically work out but this one did. I’m in mid level management. Would you have pulled this move?

I work in HR and, in a previous role, sat in on/mediated a lot of salary negotiations and will say that there are probably pros/cons to getting aggressive at this time.

Employees should always pursue adequate compensation, especially if the market dictates that you should be receiving these benefits/higher wages due to employment shortages. Without knowing your industry, I’m going to guess that, like most businesses, you’ve been hit with workforce shortages and have had to work extra time to compensate. I assure you that, if/when it suits them, your company (or most any company) will have no issue with releasing you from employment, so it’s always my advice to ensure that you’re being compensated fairly and in-line with market standards whenever possible.

The downside is that there is always a personal aspect to actions like this and it’s not always favorable. “Rattling the Sabre” is effective, but in an employment crunch, it can certainly leave a sour taste depending on the circumstances at your company. If you have a good relationship with your supervisor, or wish to maintain one, I would recommend writing a personal note/email to them thanking them for working with you on the compensation increase and that you’re looking forward to continuing a strong work relationship, etc. It may help ease any tension that exists or they may disregard it, but it’s a nice good-faith gesture on your part.

 

[BlueDogs]

It’s perfectly fine to ask for what your think fairly represents your value. Intent matters as much as outcome. Just keep in mind that employers have long memories and there will come a day when the shoe is on the other foot. So, @Pgh2Storrs advice is good advice.

 

[uconnfan68]

So my employer decided to take away our covid pay and bonus structure. Keep in mind it had been in place for a year and a half now and the area is extremely short staffed. When I was informed I said reinstate mine or else I quit and just work F&B, bartend and make just as much. They himmed and hawed so I quit. The next day they reinstated the pay and asked me to come back. In return I not only asked for my covid pay back I asked for a raise! Knowing that they were in a bind staffing wise as a number of people quit. I went back and forth with my DM and agreed on a small raise and the covid pay! I’m just not sure if this was too aggressive a move that may hurt future promotions. I’m like an extreme ENTP these moves don’t typically work out but this one did. I’m in mid level management. Would you have pulled this move?

Good for you… but start looking!

 

[Improviser]

All depends on how unique your skills are, and how valuable you are to your employer.

If in their eyes, you performed your job in a superior fashion to the other employees, maybe they will overlook your move.

If to them, you were just an "ordinary employee" who had them over the barrel under present circumstances, they will find a way to get rid of you when things normalize.

It is a question as to how they perceive your value.

@Pgh2Storrs gave a very good analysis of the pro's and cons.​

 

[HuskyHawk]

I work in HR and, in a previous role, sat in on/mediated a lot of salary negotiations and will say that there are probably pros/cons to getting aggressive at this time.

Employees should always pursue adequate compensation, especially if the market dictates that you should be receiving these benefits/higher wages due to employment shortages. Without knowing your industry, I’m going to guess that, like most businesses, you’ve been hit with workforce shortages and have had to work extra time to compensate. I assure you that, if/when it suits them, your company (or most any company) will have no issue with releasing you from employment, so it’s always my advice to ensure that you’re being compensated fairly and in-line with market standards whenever possible.

The downside is that there is always a personal aspect to actions like this and it’s not always favorable. “Rattling the Sabre” is effective, but in an employment crunch, it can certainly leave a sour taste depending on the circumstances at your company. If you have a good relationship with your supervisor, or wish to maintain one, I would recommend writing a personal note/email to them thanking them for working with you on the compensation increase and that you’re looking forward to continuing a strong work relationship, etc. It may help ease any tension that exists or they may disregard it, but it’s a nice good-faith gesture on your part.

That last paragraph. Do that @UcannUconn, that's great advice. It sends the message that you are and consider yourself a team player, not a mercenary for hire.

 

[dennismenace]

It has been alluded to above but it is not so much what you say with people but how you say it. It is fine to express a fair and reasonable position on behalf of yourself but if it comes across as a power play they might construe that as rebellious and disloyal. A good employee who courteously asks for their due should be admired. Good employees are not easy to find and are valuable to a company. Likewise, a company that does not
appreciate this should be a signal to you to consider moving on. Kind of crazy out there today.

 

[auror]

I went back and forth with my DM and agreed on a small raise

+1 weapon or a bag of holding?

 

[formerlurker]

I work in HR and, in a previous role, sat in on/mediated a lot of salary negotiations and will say that there are probably pros/cons to getting aggressive at this time.

Employees should always pursue adequate compensation, especially if the market dictates that you should be receiving these benefits/higher wages due to employment shortages. Without knowing your industry, I’m going to guess that, like most businesses, you’ve been hit with workforce shortages and have had to work extra time to compensate. I assure you that, if/when it suits them, your company (or most any company) will have no issue with releasing you from employment, so it’s always my advice to ensure that you’re being compensated fairly and in-line with market standards whenever possible.

The downside is that there is always a personal aspect to actions like this and it’s not always favorable. “Rattling the Sabre” is effective, but in an employment crunch, it can certainly leave a sour taste depending on the circumstances at your company. If you have a good relationship with your supervisor, or wish to maintain one, I would recommend writing a personal note/email to them thanking them for working with you on the compensation increase and that you’re looking forward to continuing a strong work relationship, etc. It may help ease any tension that exists or they may disregard it, but it’s a nice good-faith gesture on your part.

Totally agree. I would make it a handwritten note or card though. I send those all the time to clients and you’d be surprised the positive reactions I get.

 

[auggie22]

Seems like you have to play the pleasantly assertive but team player role from this point forward. Maybe it will be viewed as an indication you can handle more responsibility? That is one hell of a needle to thread.

 

[Austin316]

If they are willing to INVEST into you I think it says a lot about your company.

 

[SubbaBub]

So my employer decided to take away our covid pay and bonus structure. Keep in mind it had been in place for a year and a half now and the area is extremely short staffed. When I was informed I said reinstate mine or else I quit and just work F&B, bartend and make just as much. They himmed and hawed so I quit. The next day they reinstated the pay and asked me to come back. In return I not only asked for my covid pay back I asked for a raise! Knowing that they were in a bind staffing wise as a number of people quit. I went back and forth with my DM and agreed on a small raise and the covid pay! I’m just not sure if this was too aggressive a move that may hurt future promotions. I’m like an extreme ENTP these moves don’t typically work out but this one did. I’m in mid level management. Would you have pulled this move?

Depends on how you value your relationship with the people/company involved. I assume you were honestly fine with quitting over the covid pay. No issues there. You assessed your value and stuck to your guns. Well done.

Now, the second part is where I think you may have screwed up assuming an answer to my first statement.

If you intend this to be a long term relationship, you need to ask of the small bump in pay was worth the flex you pulled to get it?

Will you now be the first one out the door the next time cuts are needed? Or, are you a top producer and future leader who's "youthful exuberance" will be forgotten/forgiven over time?

Only you can know that. My guess is you'll be fine, but I would keep an eye/ear out to see how your interactions go with people up the chain for the next few months. Like it or not, you are now "that guy" to some degree for a while.

 

[UCfor3]

It’s perfectly fine to ask for what your think fairly represents your value. Intent matters as much as outcome. Just keep in mind that employers have long memories and there will come a day when the shoe is on the other foot. So, @Pgh2Storrs advice is good advice.

Exactly, this time you had the leverage, next time...people have long memories. In most companies, middle management is a replaceable position. Most of us are just cogs. I'd go out of my way to show you are a team player and build good relationships now that you got what you want. Do NOT gloat with your colleagues or take a victory lap. Information travels fast and people like to gossip. Keep your resume updated though. If in the future you hear your company is bringing in a "consultant" to improve efficiency, I would activate plan B.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Totally agree. I would make it a handwritten note or card though. I send those all the time to clients and you’d be surprised the positive reactions I get.

Handwritten notes for prospective or current clients sure, yet an internal thank you email documenting @UcannUconn's individual (current) commitment to company X and appreciation of manager, his/her manager and HR-person may have benefits.

 

[polycom]

This is really interesting... This is how pay gaps develop which isn't your fault at all.

 

[Woodson]

Not knowing all the details and your relationships, I'm not so sure I would send a note thanking them given the info I did see... or be very careful about your choice or words, I think those types of things given the circumstances can be easily misinterpreted. Also I would not tell anyone else you work with what went down - that may go without saying. I would just keep cashing those checks and watch your back.

 

[gtcam]

Was the cessation of the Covid stipend and bonus structure directed only at you? If not, I really don't understand why you would expect the company to reinstate yours alone. You have every right to request a possible wage increase as long as your production and team play warrants it and that would have been my only ask/argument. Threatening to quit never moves me as a manager and only makes me think that if the person pulled that once it emboldens them to do so again. Is your employment at will? If so, I would be very careful in the future. If you were willing to leave that suddenly and bartend (no issues with that at all) maybe you really don't enjoy the position in the first place.
I'm glad that you received something that will allow you to stay, if that's what you really want. I agree with writing a thank you note/email for the pay raise but I would leave it at that, as Woodson said, the choice of wording is essential and expanding beyond a simple thank you may open a can of worms.
Best of Luck UCannUConn

 

[UCTitleTown]

So my employer decided to take away our covid pay and bonus structure. Keep in mind it had been in place for a year and a half now and the area is extremely short staffed. When I was informed I said reinstate mine or else I quit and just work F&B, bartend and make just as much. They himmed and hawed so I quit. The next day they reinstated the pay and asked me to come back. In return I not only asked for my covid pay back I asked for a raise! Knowing that they were in a bind staffing wise as a number of people quit. I went back and forth with my DM and agreed on a small raise and the covid pay! I’m just not sure if this was too aggressive a move that may hurt future promotions. I’m like an extreme ENTP these moves don’t typically work out but this one did. I’m in mid level management. Would you have pulled this move?

You only get one such move per employer. To do it for a small raise is blowing the load. The employer will always hold a grudge. If you're going to pull a power move, you need to make it count.

 

[dogpause]

UCann, how's it feel to be a temporary employee?

 

[CL82]

You only get one such move per employer. To do it for a small raise is blowing the load. The employer will always hold a grudge. If you're going to pull a power move, you need to make it count.

This is such a dick thing to post to a guy who is worried about his call.

Funny though, and probably not wrong, so it gets a like.

 

[MDHuskFan]

I think a lot also prob has to go about how you justified the raise and approached that conversation.
If you approached it from the stance that your contributions warranted higher pay & your production justified it, and superiors agreed, any potential hard feelings will pass as long as your performance continues to warrant your compensation.
If you approached the conversation as, you need me, I know it, and you can’t afford to lose me at this point in time. So this is a stick up. I’d warn you, hard times pass & people remember how people acted and treated them during hard times.

 

[chalk1]

If you work in a large corporate company stepping out of the expected structures is not acceptable. See Dogpauses statement above. If you work for a smaller company that looks at the world in more flexible terms make your boss as close a supporter as possible. You lit the lamp dude. Good luck.

 

[Hoophound]

While I tend to agree with those that stated you may be somewhat of a marked man, if they agreed to pay you, maybe they know you are worth it and are fine with paying you. Also, if you have direct counterparts with the same job as you, maybe some of them make more than you do and it wasn’t a big deal to pay you more. Sometimes companies have certain employees they consider an absolute bargain and they don’t make any attempt to give them more money. In many cases, particularly with people that are loyal and stay in jobs for a long time, they are taken advantage of because everyone knows they aren’t going anywhere.

I remember being shocked when I went to a training back when I had a corporate job and a coworker of mine told me her salary. I was the top producing person in the company by a wide margin and her base salary was 25% higher than mine. I had no idea and I felt really slighted. When I brought up my salary with my boss, he gave me a raise instantly and approved giving me a company car to boot. It was as if he had wondered why I hadn’t ever negotiated. Hard to say, but I’m guessing that given the current labor market, you are worth the extra money and they know it. If you weren’t, they probably would have cut you loose and promoted someone.

 

[WestHartHusk]

I applaud your initiative.

For me, I am squarely in the camp of folks that don’t ask for a raise/promotion. I will let you know my career ambitions, and if we are aligned on them the money/title will follow. If not, that is fine and I am moving on. But I will never extort for pay...what you pay me without the threat is all I need to know. I have only changed employers once in 13 years.

 

[B1GEast]

This is such a dick thing to post to a guy who is worried about his call.

Funny though, and probably not wrong, so it gets a like.

As long aa he does a good job, they'll look past this minor indiscretion.

I do agree that this could hinder a future promotion, but this might not be a long term company

 

[Deepster]

The fact you’re on a college basketball message board looking for validation pretty much eliminates any baller points you think you achieved.

 

[UCTitleTown]

This is such a dick thing to post to a guy who is worried about his call.

Funny though, and probably not wrong, so it gets a like.

Thanks...... I think.......

I was speaking from personal experience. I did this once and company went over my bosses head to keep me. Covid hit and my immediate boss got his revenge and laid me off despite me getting excellent reviews every year. He was a major D, by the way and everyone hates him. I feel sorry for the people that are still there.

I'd explore my options.