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VAMike23

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Excellent question.

Here is what I believe.

MOST of the time, barring injuries, Geno keeps the same starting lineup all year.

MOST of the time, barring injuries, Geno will carry over the starters from the previous season.

MOST of the time, barring injuries, Geno will start the best player from the prervious season.

MOST of the time, barring injuries, Geno will not start a freshman no matter how talented.

Now, that doesn't mean he won't do any of the above. But MOST of the time, he follows what I have laid out. So, to me, my best guess is that -

The starting lineup will be Hartley, Dolson, Faris, Doty and Lewis. They will start all season. Stewart will be the first player off the bench (along with 1 or 2 others at the first sub situation he uses).

Anything else would surprise me. Again, this is what I think Geno will do and not necessarily what I would do.

Agreed with the caveat that if Kiah continues developing well (and as a rising sophomore, this is when Geno said the good players make the biggest jump), she may start some games at the 5 if Geno sees it as a good matchup. Granted, part of the reason she saw extended action in a few games was because Stef was briefly in the doghouse, but then there were also times where the staff thought she was the better choice at the 5 because of the matchup.

So I still expect to see Stef as the regular starter but would not be shocked if Kiah started occasionally at the 5.
 
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So I still expect to see Stef as the regular starter but would not be shocked if Kiah started occasionally at the 5.

I cannot _ever_ recall Geno using selective starting based on matchups. Not ever.
 

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I cannot _ever_ recall Geno using selective starting based on matchups. Not ever.

I seem to remember the coaches referring to the 'better matchup' in conjunction with Kiah starting a game or two last year, but I will have to check. Certainly the exception, in any event.
 
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l agree with DD on the starting lineup, and I just can't wait to see the expression on the opponents faces when, at the first substitution, Kiah, Breanna, and Morgan enter the game...Opponents getting ANY rebounds? fuggetaboutit!!!!
 

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I'm going to agree with Nan. I don't know what the starting line-up will be. I have some opinions and may reconsider after reading some arguments here. I think the fact that there is disagreement on this is good--it means that Geno has more than 5 very good players. Depth is a good thing.
 
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The reason I think Stewart will start has absolutely nothing to do with starting the five most talented players. I'm in complete disagreement with that line of thinking. Not sure why you took that away from my arguments considering I was arguing for Kaleena to skill come off the bench next season even though she is clearly one of the five most talented players.. My argument for why Stewart will start is because I anticipate Geno will break with what many see as his accepted conventions because of the need to respond to specific issues facing this specific team. I see that as the opposite of dogmatic.

However, your assessment of inserting a different line-up as being dogmatic is highly ironic. I'm thinking you might not have intended that. A line-up based only on the principles of starting seniority, or on the five most talented, are competing dogmas. What's been going on in this thread are competing skepticisms based on alternative experiences.
 

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My argument for why Stewart will start is because I anticipate Geno will break with what many see as his accepted conventions because of the need to respond to specific issues facing this specific team. I see that as the opposite of dogmatic.

This team hasn't played a minute together, so I'm not sure how you know what any issues are.

This team, without Stewart, would beat every team on it's schedule. She doesn't need to start. She might, but I would bet against it.
 
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It isn't quite tomorrow yet, but somehow I'm pretty confident it is going to be hot outside. Guess you'll have to check my track record as a forecaster.

This team hasn't played a minute together, so I'm not sure how you know what any issues are.
 

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The reason I think Stewart will start has absolutely nothing to do with starting the five most talented players. I'm in complete disagreement with that line of thinking. Not sure why you took that away from my arguments considering I was arguing for Kaleena to skill come off the bench next season even though she is clearly one of the five most talented players.. My argument for why Stewart will start is because I anticipate Geno will break with what many see as his accepted conventions because of the need to respond to specific issues facing this specific team. I see that as the opposite of dogmatic.

Start the five most talented players (what I'll call the BudFrog argument of the past) as an infallible principle = dogmatic
Start the five with the most starting/game experience as an infallible principle (or convention) = dogmatic
HuskyNan and Icebear arguments against starting the five most talented players = skeptical based on some prior situations
Your arguments (and at least one other) against starting the five with most experience = skeptical based on some prior situations

You implicating that Auriemma would be dogmatic in inserting the line-up suggested by doggydaddy, etc. assumes he would be doing it according to some convention and not situation-based. I tried to make an earlier point that this whole thread brought up nice situation-based points on both sides. Your argument for Stewart starting was well-reasoned, situation-based and not dogmatic, just as were some of the counterarguments. However, once you allege a counterargument to be dogmatic, even in the face of it being reasoned and situation-based, you are in turn being dogmatic rather than skeptical in your refusal to consider possible validity in opposing points. Like I said, I don't think you really intended that. The correction would be to accept that if Auriemma did not start Stewart he might be making a mistake assessing the situation in your view, but he still could be doing it out of accessing the situation at hand rather than simply following some dogmatic convention. If you accept that as a possibility then you in turn are merely skeptical rather than dogmatic in disputing its validity as the best starting line-up. Now if Auriemma comes right out and says he starts who he starts due to convention, then your skepticism has been verified.

Another way to look at this is you tried (unwittingly I think) to set up a tautology against counterarguments. Convention = inserting KML into the line-up instead of Stewart. Thus, any argument in support of that scenario must be dogmatic and convention-based instead of situation-based, whereas only by deviating from that does Auriemma prove his situation-based approach and, by extension, only your arguments in support are situation-based arguments. This is an approach to preempting counterarguments that is prevalent in our society, particularly with economic and political schools of thought, so I'm particularly sensitive when I spot a tautology. I'll say this once more: I don't think you intended to do this, but it came after I implied there were good situation-based points on both sides. I actually think you've suggested the best starting five (actually someone else suggested it first), though I'm willing to concede Auriemma may not use it for other reasons besides dogmatic convention.
 

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It isn't quite tomorrow yet, but somehow I'm pretty confident it is going to be hot outside. Guess you'll have to check my track record as a forecaster.

Your forecasts are as predictable as the weather? I wouldn' be so proud of that!

When you realistically have a team that will be challenged by only 1 or maybe 2 teams the entire season, saying there are issues is like complaining about Cindy Crawfords mole.

I haven't been wrong about the starting lineup either, my friend. So, as I have said before, one of us will
have their streak broken.
 

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Well this is a great thread. I am really enjoying reading it . Alot of good stuff. Bottom line is Geno will go with experience and playing time will be earned, just like every other season. Kelly Caroline Stef KML and Bria have chemistry. I beleive they will start for that reason. Our incoming class will need to learn to play within the system. Geno will teach and coach them as they move in and out of the lineup at various positions and situations. He will work them into the lineup as they develop, become confident and play the way Geno wants them to perform until it becomes reflexive. Geno is more about the team being able to execute under his system and not about the best players starting. UConn has been tuff because of their ability to execute on defense. Defense is why and what makes UConn so tuff. Looking at this saesons roster I dont think this team can lose for a couple of years. However playing inexperienced freshman who cant execute under pressure and when it needs to get done...well they could cause problems in winning and with a young players confidence. Playing kids in situations that theyre not ready for could drop their confidence level backwards. Set them back. Opposing teams would recognize a weak link in the defense and expose it, putting more pressure on everybody else to pick up the slack. A player not sure of what to do,where to be, allowing offenses to do what they are comfortable doing and not being able to stop them, or make them feel intimadated could cost you a game.

Hey this team has more talent then any team in WCBB. Baylor will be a challange, Stanford Duke ND MD will be good games. IMO this UConn team could beat every team for the next 2 seasons by double digets. Will they? We will have to wait and see. I am so looking forward to this season, Im dying waiting.
 

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Start the five most talented players (what I'll call the BudFrog argument of the past) as an infallible principle = dogmatic
Start the five with the most starting/game experience as an infallible principle (or convention) = dogmatic
HuskyNan and Icebear arguments against starting the five most talented players = skeptical based on some prior situations
Your arguments (and at least one other) against starting the five with most experience = skeptical based on some prior situations

You implicating that Auriemma would be dogmatic in inserting the line-up suggested by doggydaddy, etc. assumes he would be doing it according to some convention and not situation-based. I tried to make an earlier point that this whole thread brought up nice situation-based points on both sides. Your argument for Stewart starting was well-reasoned, situation-based and not dogmatic, just as were some of the counterarguments. However, once you allege a counterargument to be dogmatic, even in the face of it being reasoned and situation-based, you are in turn being dogmatic rather than skeptical in your refusal to consider possible validity in opposing points. Like I said, I don't think you really intended that. The correction would be to accept that if Auriemma did not start Stewart he might be making a mistake assessing the situation in your view, but he still could be doing it out of accessing the situation at hand rather than simply following some dogmatic convention. If you accept that as a possibility then you in turn are merely skeptical rather than dogmatic in disputing its validity as the best starting line-up. Now if Auriemma comes right out and says he starts who he starts due to convention, then your skepticism has been verified.

Another way to look at this is you tried (unwittingly I think) to set up a tautology against counterarguments. Convention = inserting KML into the line-up instead of Stewart. Thus, any argument in support of that scenario must be dogmatic and convention-based instead of situation-based, whereas only by deviating from that does Auriemma prove his situation-based approach and, by extension, only your arguments in support are situation-based arguments. This is an approach to preempting counterarguments that is prevalent in our society, particularly with economic and political schools of thought, so I'm particularly sensitive when I spot a tautology. I'll say this once more: I don't think you intended to do this, but it came after I implied there were good situation-based points on both sides. I actually think you've suggested the best starting five (actually someone else suggested it first), though I'm willing to concede Auriemma may not use it for other reasons besides dogmatic convention.

HUH?
 
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In spite of all the arguments put forth already, I will state with near certainty that on Sr Night, Heather Buck, Kelly Ferris and Caroline Doty will all start.
 
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Wow! This is one Cool Thread.

Forgive me if I return to Bria.

IMHO, Bria will become a first team AA this upcoming season.

It is also MHO that she will likely be joined by KML and Stef as 2nd team AAs.

Peace,

John Fryer
 
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