ACC

[UCFBfan]

Well played Gentlemen! I think the 1,000th post was the best one of the thread!

 

[Dann]

My stake to BY fame 15 years from now will be starting this thread.

 

[UConnDan97]

My stake to BY fame 15 years from now will be starting this thread.

And 15 years from now, I will add one last post to it to say I ended it. BC still sucks...

 

[TRest]

Would we want him there any more than he'd like to be there?

There was a minimum height requirement to gain entrance.

 

[whaler11]

My stake to BY fame 15 years from now will be starting this thread.

Don't sell yourself short. When UNLV plays New Mexico @ the garden in the BET championship game you'll be a legend.

 

[Marty Jackson]

If UConn fans want to improve UConn's position they aren't going to do it on message boards. They are going to do it by selling out the stadium, being passionate during the games, watching college football on television to drive the ratings to where they are attractive to other leagues and cable operators, traveling to road games and making it a more attractive school for recruits to attend.

Gee maybe playing a neutral site game nearby would give UConn fans a chance to show how much they care by bringing tens of thousands to a game. That might be more productive than pretending we are too good to play a home game against a more traditional opponent anywhere but East Hartford.

So really the 15-20k passionate UConn football fans need to grow into a much larger number. Ignoring the issues in the Big East don't make them go away.

This isn't going to happen overnight... Its taken 10 years to get here... And that is considered unprecedented.
What we need is the next generation of husky fans to bring the passion. Programs like Bama
And LSU have have generations brought up on spending Saturdays watching college football. Uconn is growing but it's going to take a generation or two for the next big step.

 

[whaler11]

This isn't going to happen overnight... Its taken 10 years to get here... And that is considered unprecedented.
What we need is the next generation of husky fans to bring the passion. Programs like Bama
And LSU have have generations brought up on spending Saturdays watching college football. Uconn is growing but it's going to take a generation or two for the next big step.

Agreed. It's a critical time though as if the money isn't there and the quality of football drops some, it's that much harder to catch up. Could end up in a hole that can't be dug out off.

 

[SubbaBub]

Agreed. It's a critical time though as if the money isn't there and the quality of football drops some, it's that much harder to catch up. Could end up in a hole that can't be dug out off.

These are exactly the stakes the program is facing these next few years, beginning with this one. The program's rise was predicated partly on the promise of "Big Time Football" For its first decade in 1-A, it nailed it. Its future is predicated on not receding with the NNBE tide. Without a new conference, our future may depend on how well our brethern step up to the plate. If the NNBE is not regularly winning OOC and Bowl games against top team, then the number of NNBE teams that will be viable in a national context is limited.

Stay at the current level with the ACC and eventually it will wither. Consolidation that comes with a playoff, see Mandel's latest SI.com column projecting last year's "Playoff selection" and you'll see the bulk of the 12 BCS spots going to the SEC (4), B12 (3), and P12 (2). No way the B1G (1) only gets one come 2014. The last two spots went to the ACC (didn't deserve it) and Boise (wouldn't have gone 11-1 in the BE). Notably absent in this list was the actual BE champ WVU, who beat Clemson by about abajillion and it was only that close because football is a timed sport. Even with the benefit of hindsight, the BE got zero respect from an opinion maker who is supposed to know something about CFB.

No flowering defense of past BCS records, bowl wins, head to head matchups will help the situation. The ACC has a leg up with it's Orange Bowl tie-in. It will be a three year death match between the ACC and the NNBE for the street cred necessary to survive the next 12 years. It starts now and there can be only one.

 

[Dann]

After reading that....... Lets go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RS9999X]

The ACC has a leg up with it's Orange Bowl tie-in. It will be a three year death match between the ACC and the NNBE for the street cred necessary to survive the next 12 years. It starts now and there can be only one.

This is where Notre Dame can come to the rescue and partner with the BE as they did in the past in bowl selections. It's win/win. ND gets regular revenue and the BE gets slotted higher than they would normally.

Of course it might be against the best available ACC or the Orange Bowl agrees to select a BE/ND team twice every 4 years and partners with the SEC for 2 years in years when they don't host the semi-final---which might be never in the Orange Bowl's case.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

This is where Notre Dame can come to the rescue and partner with the BE as they did in the past in bowl selections. It's win/win. ND gets regular revenue and the BE gets slotted higher than they would normally.

Of course it might be against the best available ACC or the Orange Bowl agrees to select a BE/ND team twice every 4 years and partners with the SEC for 2 years in years when they don't host the semi-final---which might be never in the Orange Bowl's case.

The bowl system is dead. I hope that no conference is making any decisions around the bowl system.

 

[The Funster]

I don't think anyone will make decisions around the bowl system but that doesn't mean it's dead. It still fills a lot of TV time and still is finacially viable. As long as it makes money the bowl system will be around.

 

[SubbaBub]

The bowl system is dead. I hope that no conference is making any decisions around the bowl system.

End of season OOC games in popular bowl games still matter. This new playoff doesn't change as much as people think. It's basically the plus one model. Even with AQ's you want to be in the top six bowl games because it drives TV exposure and therefore drives recruiting.



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[nelsonmuntz]

Interest in bowl games was crashing before the playoff was implemented. It is going to drop off a cliff now. It is impossible for school presidents to justify 20k ticket guarantees to games the fans don't want to go to. Orange bowl tickets were going for $2 on stub hub, for a game between two schools that travel well. Fiesta tickets were available in the mid teens, and Sugar tickets were available in the 20's. Ratings are slipping, because fans are not interested in games that do not matter. That problem will get worse with a playoff.

Bowls are dead. It is just a matter of time.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Interest in bowl games was crashing before the playoff was implemented. It is going to drop off a cliff now. It is impossible for school presidents to justify 20k ticket guarantees to games the fans don't want to go to. Orange bowl tickets were going for $2 on stub hub, for a game between two schools that travel well. Fiesta tickets were available in the mid teens, and Sugar tickets were available in the 20's. Ratings are slipping, because fans are not interested in games that do not matter. That problem will get worse with a playoff.

Bowls are dead. It is just a matter of time.

Bowls make money... Suggesting otherwise is completely wrong.
What you are arguing is whether schools make money by participating in these bowls. That's debatable. For a northeastern school that doesn't travel well, it could be difficult, especially if the bowl is out west on New Year's Day.
seeing tickets sell for $2 is irrelevant because I'm assuming this is a second market.

The notion that the new playoff format was done to protect the bowls and their 'heritage' means they aren't going anywhere anytime soon either.

 

[whaler11]

12 year deal for ACC and Orange Bowl. 1 PM New Years Day. If an ACC team is in semis, second ACC goes to Orange.

 

[huskymedic]

12 year deal for ACC and Orange Bowl. 1 PM New Years Day. If an ACC team is in semis, second ACC goes to Orange.

Being reported that second ACC team goes even if not ranked?!?!?! WTF - nothing is changing other then top 4 and NC game.

 

[observer]

12 year deal for ACC and Orange Bowl. 1 PM New Years Day. If an ACC team is in semis, second ACC goes to Orange.

Most years will be the second place ACC team but still a good team. Sounds like open for the opponent so maybe a chance for the NBE assuming their champ is ranked high enough.

 

[metsfan2323]

Most years will be the second place ACC team but still a good team.

I don't know what you are basing that comment on but in certainly isn't recent performance.

 

[jrazz12]

Most years will be the second place ACC team but still a good team. Sounds like open for the opponent so maybe a chance for the NBE assuming their champ is ranked high enough.

Most years? So you think most years the ACC will have a team that finishes in the top 4, worthy of the championship series?

Along the same lines, can anyone explain how these bowl affiliations work now? My understanding of the new system was that the 6 big bowls rotate the semis, which means every 3 years, the Orange Bowl will have a semifinal matchup. Assuming the ACC has a top 4 team (very rare), obviously they get picked up by the Orange Bowl. If not though, it means every 3 years the ACC champ is NOT playing in the Orange Bowl.

 

[CTGoonie]

"Most years will be the second place ACC team but still a good team."

Huh? I'm expecting that most years the ACC champ will be in the Orange Bowl because they would most likely have to be undefeated to be in the playoff.

 

[SAMCRO]

Most years will be the second place ACC team but still a good team. Sounds like open for the opponent so maybe a chance for the NBE assuming their champ is ranked high enough.

Observer, you have just earned the new name of "ACC Al".

And, if by "most years" you mean one year in the last 10 (same as the BE), then you would be correct...

 

[observer]

"Most years will be the second place ACC team but still a good team."

Huh? I'm expecting that most years the ACC champ will be in the Orange Bowl because they would most likely have to be undefeated to be in the playoff.

Not necessarily need to be unbeaten. Here are some of the OOC games that ACC schools have lined up:

FSU-- Florida
Clemson--Georgia
VT--Ohio State; Alabama
Miami-Nebraska; ND; Mich State
Syr- Penn State; ND
GT- Alabama
Pitt- ND; Iowa; PSU

In most years an otherwise undefeated ACC team with one loss to any of those schools would be likely to make the top four.

 

[Dann]

Observer, you have just earned the new name of "ACC Al".

And, if by "most years" you mean one year in the last 10 (same as the BE), then you would be correct...

well lets take it easy here. 1-10 is a pretty on par % for the acc. i mean there bcs record the last 10 years is what again?

 

[Dann]

Not necessarily need to be unbeaten. Here are some of the OOC games that ACC schools have lined up:

FSU-- Florida
Clemson--Georgia
VT--Ohio State; Alabama
Miami-Nebraska; ND; Mich State
Syr- Penn State; ND
GT- Alabama
Pitt- ND; Iowa; PSU

In most years an otherwise undefeated ACC team with one loss to any of those schools would be likely to make the top four.

WOW! those are amazing games! my god! crappy nbe schools will never get games like those...whomp whomp
oh wait?!?!?

uconn- michigan, tenn, uva
usf- miami, ncst, indiana, msu, florida
cincy- vt, purdue, tosu, , miami, purdue
lville- uk, unc, duke
bsu- msu, byu, wash, ole, ore st
sdsu- wash, army, ore st, az st
temple- psu, md, nd, army
ucf- mizzu, tosu, south cary, texas, byu
memphis- mizzu, duke, miami, kansas, ole, tenn
uh- ucla, byu
smu- baylor, tcu, atm, tt (check out the 2013 schedule smu will have, unreal)

 

[huskymedic]

It's crazy to follow... But here is some patched clarification from a number of published sources:

"The league anticipates the Orange Bowl hosting at least four semifinal games and says in those years, its champion will play in one of the three other host bowls.If the ACC champion makes the playoffs, another ACC team will play in the Orange Bowl" (AP Article).

“@schadjoe: The ACC will have a team in the Orange Bowl all 12 years of the new BCS, unless it is a semifinal with no ACC team in it”

“@schadjoe: If an ACC team is in the Final Four when the Orange Bowl is not a semifinal, a DIFFERENT ACC team will placed in the Orange Bowl”

“@schadjoe: At least one ACC team will be guaranteed a position in one of the new six "BCS" bowls”

“@schadjoe: If ACC has two teams in Final Four and Orange Bowl is not a semi, a third ACC team would go to Orange” **My comment - "wouldn't matter because that means hell froze over and there would be no game"

 

[SubbaBub]

What happened to the Selection Committee picking the 12 BCS teams? Or did someone tied to the ACC just put their foot in their mouth again and admit the fix is in for the Big 5?

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[jrazz12]

It's crazy to follow... But here is some patched clarification from a number of published sources:

"The league anticipates the Orange Bowl hosting at least four semifinal games and says in those years, its champion will play in one of the three other host bowls.If the ACC champion makes the playoffs, another ACC team will play in the Orange Bowl" (AP Article).

“@schadjoe: The ACC will have a team in the Orange Bowl all 12 years of the new BCS, unless it is a semifinal with no ACC team in it”

“@schadjoe: If an ACC team is in the Final Four when the Orange Bowl is not a semifinal, a DIFFERENT ACC team will placed in the Orange Bowl”

“@schadjoe: At least one ACC team will be guaranteed a position in one of the new six "BCS" bowls”

“@schadjoe: If ACC has two teams in Final Four and Orange Bowl is not a semi, a third ACC team would go to Orange” **My comment - "wouldn't matter because that means hell froze over and there would be no game"

So ACC is claiming to have an AQ to the BCS one way or the other

 

[observer]

WOW! those are amazing games! my god! crappy nbe schools will never get games like those...whomp whomp
oh wait?!?!?

uconn- michigan, tenn, uva
usf- miami, ncst, indiana, msu, florida
cincy- vt, purdue, tosu, , miami, purdue
lville- uk, unc, duke
bsu- msu, byu, wash, ole, ore st
sdsu- wash, army, ore st, az st
temple- psu, md, nd, army
ucf- mizzu, tosu, south cary, texas, byu
memphis- mizzu, duke, miami, kansas, ole, tenn
uh- ucla, byu
smu- baylor, tcu, atm, tt (check out the 2013 schedule smu will have, unreal)

OOOOH, be still my heart. A veritable murderer's row there with mighty Indiana, Air Force, Oregon State, Army and other 'notables.'

The NBE teams will need to play quality OOC games because the conference games will, with a few exceptions (Boise and 'ville), not impress anyone.

But anyway was going to ask how the NBE screwed up and did not invite East Carolina who has way more going for it than half of the bottom feeders the BE did add. A team like ECU plays decent FB and draws well and in a better conference could do much more.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

This isn't going to happen overnight... Its taken 10 years to get here... And that is considered unprecedented.
What we need is the next generation of husky fans to bring the passion. Programs like Bama
And LSU have have generations brought up on spending Saturdays watching college football. Uconn is growing but it's going to take a generation or two for the next big step.

In Tuscaloosa and Baton Rouge, they don't compete for close-proximity entertainment $'s with three baseball teams (late season and playoffs), three football teams, early season hockey (Bruins, Rangers, Islanders and Devils) and basketball (Knicks, Celtics, Nets); all within easy driving distance. The above mentioned southern schools compete with Tractor Pulls, Noodling, Frog Gigging and Bass Fishing contests and, maybe, the Saints and Falcons. Not the same thing.