ACC

[Dann]

i hope marinate doesn't read this thread. i have no clue who this insdier guy is, but hell even if its all bs he still sounds 10 times better than marinate as our commish lol

 

[MattMang23]

Absolutely. I'll take Mr. Inside over Mr. Inside-My-Belly as our commish all day. At least this dude knows how TVs work.

 

[Carl Spackler]

i hope marinate doesn't read this thread. i have no clue who this insdier guy is, but hell even if its all bs he still sounds 10 times better than marinate as our commish lol

I know you followed me before as the YCG on the other website. I saw where you wrote that somewhere. I apologize for my previous comments to you that were disparaging. Sorry. I hope you appreciate the intensity and passion for the game that I bring. I think you do. A little different than I do, but still....cracking helmets intensity. There is no other way.

BUT: you must understand, that the direction this current commissioner is taking the Big East, and the leadership of the Big East? (that means AD's and Pres') is unbelievable. Mark my words......

Villanova football will become the new Jesuit Catholic football program parallel to Notre Dame. Big East football wil pave the way to a true national championship in college football. A 130+ years and waiting.

 

[Dann]

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[UConnDan97]

Villanova football will become the new Jesuit Catholic football program parallel to Notre Dame. Big East football wil pave the way to a true national championship in college football. A 130+ years and waiting.

Carl, I think you make some great points sometimes. ^ This is not one of them. Wow.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I really have got to question whether or not the Big East can support 6 Eastern Pennsylvania programs.

You'll have Temple, Villanova, UPenn, Bucknell, Lafayette and Lehigh. I agree it makes for a solid division ( quality - ND esque program in Nova and good regional rivalries) but maybe we dilutre the area of quality talent?

I really think the absolute max should be the Big East CT dvision of 4 teams: UConn, Yale, Fairfield and Sacred Heart.

 

[SAMCRO]

the direction this current commissioner is taking the Big East, and the leadership of the Big East (that means AD's and Pres') is unbelievable.

True statement. I can't believe the direction the BE is being taken in either.

 

[RS9999X]

Inside - I firmly believed that the ACC expanded by 2 to invoke the ESPN renegotiate clause and at the time they believed each team would get about $5m more (with SyraPitt getting a diluted share). Now that we see that the number may by just $1.7m and the ACC had to lenghten the contract and throw in some tier rights (I think that's correct) aren't they pissed?

I never understood the $5 million. Official sources said $1.5 to $2 million all along and Swofford talked about the media rights from Day One.

This is from September 26.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2011/09/26/Colleges/ACC.aspx

Even if the contract was laid bare on the internet someone (NELSON) would still argue . Some just don't accept the ACC are cheap whores not pricey ones. It's $15 to $20 million per school over a decade and that's a great bullet point to keep some ADs and President's gainfully employed.

$15 to $20 mil is a nice downpayment on a new practice facility for either revenue sport.

The ACC will reopen the contract again. 2017 is my guess. After the B12 finishes their contracting we'll see another round of rumors as teams go shopping again and kicking the tires at UConn, ND, BYU, and Rutgers scenarios all over again (and UCF/USF/Houston).

 

[RS9999X]

(4) Internet based media valuations are almost always done in house, b/c the formula is much more simplistic. You generally have a straight-forward subscription based service + targeted ad placements - operating costs, which are generally minimal. Internet based Tier 3 programing is a very profitable model, b/c it doesn't require carrier negotiations (ala DirecTV, etc). It's hard for me to imagine a time when we watch TV on the internet. But, w/ the direction of technology & the continuing increase in computer screens, I could easily see this type model being highly lucrative in 5 years or so. Just think about it.......if you sold 50k subs for $5/mo, you're looking at $3M/yr in revenue, not counting ad revenue. It's not hard to imagine a day when technology allows the internet to be monetized to a significant degree w/ regards to Tier 3 broadcasts..

Simply huge dollars for programs like UConn with cable cutters. WalMart's Ultraviolet/VUDU deal is huge. Apple and Microsoft are both working with the studios for models. Yes it's a model in transition but you have it on the money. We'll see a $199.95 package for local channels at some point, $49.95 for the BE Channel, stream all your owned content in HD and lossless FLAC audio for $9.99 a month, and purchase 72 hour rentals for $5 as the norm. A plethora of free streaming video stations much like Spotify and Pandora with legacy NCAA games and older or free or international programming

 

[Waquoit]

Insider,
We're new englanders. We don't trust anyone until everything check's out.

Especially Texans. They are all full of . And they want us to freeze in the dark.

 

[Waquoit]

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I caught that before. That guy's posting it was a rotten thing to do to his kid.

 

[NEforceUConn]

I never understood the $5 million. Official sources said $1.5 to $2 million all along and Swofford talked about the media rights from Day One................

This is ACC spin. The figures discussed with the 12 schools to get approval to expand were close to an additional $5m each. Now this figure for the 12 schools assumed a less than equal share for SyraPitt for the first few years.

The ACC schools would not have approved changing their conference if they were told the yearly take would merely rise from $13m a team to $14.7m. Why - the internal grades from the last expansion are basically D's. BCU has been a disaster and Miami a huge embarrassment. Do you think the ACC is going to risk (again) the identity of their beloved southern conference by adding 2 northern schools? Do you think FSU and Clemson would have agreed to increase the exit fee to $20m from basically $12.5m to pocket an addition $1.7m per year. Hell that would take 4.5 years of the additional $1.7m just to break even with the higher exit fee. Yes the ACC was desperate to fix its BB but Swofford snowed the Presidents into thinking the take would increase by nearly $5m a school for the existing 12.

But its done, SyraPitt is gone and that's that. I think it does mean that the only way additional teams are invited into the ACC is 1) with ND - which will never happen, or 2) three FB schools are poached.

 

[UConnDan97]

and Miami a huge embarrassment..

NEforceUConn, I agree with most of your points most of the time, but the above point is just plain wrong. Whether we like to admit it or not, Miami is one of the most marketable teams in college football and the ACC would have pulled the trigger on that move every day of the week and twice on Sunday. With the exception of Notre Dame, name me another team that is more hated than "The U". Also, it's difficult to name a university that has sent significantly more people to the NFL than Miami as well. Their merchandise can be found at any generic store in the country.

If Miami didn't make the move from the Big East to the ACC, this discussion thread (and most of the threads on the realignment board) doesn't happen...

 

[RS9999X]

This is ACC spin. The figures discussed with the 12 schools to get approval to expand were close to an additional $5m each. Now this figure for the 12 schools assumed a less than equal share for SyraPitt for the first few years.

The ACC schools would not have approved changing their conference if they were told the yearly take would merely rise from $13m a team to $14.7m. Why - the internal grades from the last expansion are basically D's. BCU has been a disaster and Miami a huge embarrassment. Do you think the ACC is going to risk (again) the identity of their beloved southern conference by adding 2 northern schools? Do you think FSU and Clemson would have agreed to increase the exit fee to $20m from basically $12.5m to pocket an addition $1.7m per year. Hell that would take 4.5 years of the additional $1.7m just to break even with the higher exit fee. Yes the ACC was desperate to fix its BB but Swofford snowed the Presidents into thinking the take would increase by nearly $5m a school for the existing 12.

But its done, SyraPitt is gone and that's that. I think it does mean that the only way additional teams are invited into the ACC is 1) with ND - which will never happen, or 2) three FB schools are poached.

You are thinking way too deep. ADs and Presidents can claim they added $20 million to their coffers by forcing the contract to be re-opened.

What did it cost them to do this? They have to work Pitt and SU into their schedules. Oh My! $20 million and a couple schedule changes!

If UConn and Rutgers add another $2o million to each school in 5 years they will change their schedules again!

 

[NEforceUConn]

NEforceUConn, I agree with most of your points most of the time, but the above point is just plain wrong. Whether we like to admit it or not, Miami is one of the most marketable teams in college football and the ACC would have pulled the trigger on that move every day of the week and twice on Sunday. With the exception of Notre Dame, name me another team that is more hated than "The U". Also, it's difficult to name a university that has sent significantly more people to the NFL than Miami as well. Their merchandise can be found at any generic store in the country.

If Miami didn't make the move from the Big East to the ACC, this discussion thread (and most of the threads on the realignment board) doesn't happen...

Yes Miami has its share of championships however I was referring to the huge Miami football fight in their first year or two in the ACC. Perhaps its fleeting but the ACC liked to think it had sportsmanship as one of its virtues. That incident, at the time, was a big black eye down here on tobacco road and in Charlotsville.

Yes the U is the U but this fighting incident, the mediocre level of football, and the lack of FAN support made people think twice about the expansion. The crowds at Miami's new stadium are pathetic, worse than Temple's.

 

[RS9999X]

Here's some BE spin with 1/2 the Sweet 16 decided.

BE 3 teams
BiG 3 teams
B12 1 team
SEC 1 team
ACC 0 teams
PAC-12 0 teams

The curse is well underway.

Coach K in fetal position after Lehigh loss

 

[Adios]

I really have got to question whether or not the Big East can support 6 Eastern Pennsylvania programs.

You'll have Temple, Villanova, UPenn, Bucknell, Lafayette and Lehigh. I agree it makes for a solid division ( quality - ND esque program in Nova and good regional rivalries) but maybe we dilutre the area of quality talent?

I really think the absolute max should be the Big East CT dvision of 4 teams: UConn, Yale, Fairfield and Sacred Heart.

Penn and Yale wouldn't come.

You forgot CCSU!

 

[whaler11]

What amazes me is that from what I remember, Business Lawyer and I were the only posters who were in favor of the ND series with our home games at NFL stadiums in the northeast instead of the Rent. Today none of the posters who jumped all over the two of us are thumping their chest in this thread.

I was 100% on board with those ND games. Many here think that if you act as though you are bigtime, that makes you bigtime.

 

[uconnfan68]

I was 100% on board with those ND games. Many here think that if you act as though you are bigtime, that makes you bigtime.

Big deal. If you can't do something for ND, they don't want you anyway. How far over were you willing to bend? I'd rather put UConn's interests ahead of ND's.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I was 100% on board with those ND games. Many here think that if you act as though you are bigtime, that makes you bigtime.

sorry to interrupt your little "I told you so" circle jerk with FFCountyFan, but the only way you even get to say "I told you so" is if you believe the speculative, some would say absurd, assertion that a few scheduled non-conference games drove all the decisions in expansion.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

sorry to interrupt your little "I told you so" circle jerk with FFCountyFan, but the only way you even get to say "I told you so" is if you believe the speculative, some would say absurd, assertion that a few scheduled non-conference games drove all the decisions in expansion.

I know that you really aren't this obtuse, you are merely altering the facts for convenience but the issue I brought up was not whether the there was or was not sound logic to the premise that cancelling the ND series cost us a spot in the ACC. It was solely questioning the many who within this thread claimed they knew all along that cancelling the series was a bad idea when at the time the series was being negotiated, there was a very small minority who actually believed (or at least were willing to put these beliefs in the old boneyard) that increasing the football program's national profile by playing a school who had the name and popularity of ND could actually benefit the growth of the program.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I was 100% on board with those ND games. Many here think that if you act as though you are bigtime, that makes you bigtime.

Exactly. What's more "Big Time" playing at Notre Dame and then at an NFL stadium or home and homes with Buffalo, Western Michigan?

Not saying it was ND or Buffalo, etc. but when our scheduled is littered with games like that, the ND game could've really provided some serious juice.

 

[Dann]

hey mets did u read page 27 of this thread??? u have to add to your summary that there was a "circlejerk". the cliff notes of this thread are getting better by the hour.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Exactly. What's more "Big Time" playing at Notre Dame and then at an NFL stadium or home and homes with Buffalo, Western Michigan?

Not saying it was ND or Buffalo, etc. but when our scheduled is littered with games like that, the ND game could've really provided some serious juice.

Actually, the choices were a 7 game road series with Notre Dame or home and homes with Michigan and Tennessee.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I know that you really aren't this obtuse, you are merely altering the facts for convenience but the issue I brought up was not whether the there was or was not sound logic to the premise that cancelling the ND series cost us a spot in the ACC. It was solely questioning the many who within this thread claimed they knew all along that cancelling the series was a bad idea when at the time the series was being negotiated, there was a very small minority who actually believed (or at least were willing to put these beliefs in the old boneyard) that increasing the football program's national profile by playing a school who had the name and popularity of ND could actually benefit the growth of the program.

Other than the claim that if UConn had played a 0 for 7 road series with Notre Dame, the Huskies would now be in the ACC, how would that series have benefited UConn?

Actually, I will give the series credit for one thing. It appears that series gave UConn the leverage to book home and homes with Tennessee and Michigan, so I guess it wasn't all bad.

 

[SAMCRO]

The one game already played at ND was a one and done, not part of the bigger series we were discussing.
My understanding was we were in negotiations for a 6 game series w/ ND (3 at South Bend and 3 at some combo of Gillette and Meadowlands), and we passed b/c we couldn't get at least one game at the Rent. We also signed the home and homes w/ UT and UM. I didn't realize it was an either or situation, where if we inked a deal w/ ND we wouldn't have scheduled UT and UM (I must have missed that quote in the articles I read, or is this yet another case of someone posting their opinion as fact). UM reached out to us b/c they were looking for a BCS team (but not a national power type team) to open up the season in their newly expanded stadium. We were one of only 2 or 3 such schools who could make the dates work. UT was part of a BB?FB home and home deal.

Either way, I don't buy it as the reason we're not in the ACC. I would have been fine with the series if the 3 games not in South Bend were considered "home" games for UConn and we controlled the gate. Didn't happen, so we move forward.

 

[Waquoit]

Actually, the choices were a 7 game road series with Notre Dame or home and homes with Michigan and Tennessee.

I believe that would be check and mate.

 

[Carl Spackler]

The one game already played at ND was a one and done, not part of the bigger series we were discussing.
My understanding was we were in negotiations for a 6 game series w/ ND (3 at South Bend and 3 at some combo of Gillette and Meadowlands), and we passed b/c we couldn't get at least one game at the Rent. We also signed the home and homes w/ UT and UM. I didn't realize it was an either or situation, where if we inked a deal w/ ND we wouldn't have scheduled UT and UM (I must have missed that quote in the articles I read, or is this yet another case of someone posting their opinion as fact). UM reached out to us b/c they were looking for a BCS team (but not a national power type team) to open up the season in their newly expanded stadium. We were one of only 2 or 3 such schools who could make the dates work. UT was part of a BB?FB home and home deal.

Either way, I don't buy it as the reason we're not in the ACC. I would have been fine with the series if the 3 games not in South Bend were considered "home" games for UConn and we controlled the gate. Didn't happen, so we move forward.

Revenue sharing was the obstacle. Correct. The one game at South Bend was a one game contract. We were goign to skip a year and then start a 6 year (3 / 3). The hangup was revenue sharing. We wanted one home game. Ideally, we wanted Rentschler, but Notre Dame wouldn't budge on that, wasn't even an option. What we really wanted was one home game financially - revenue sharing wise. They wouldn't budge on that either. They wanted a larger venue, and they wanted control of the revenue sharing.

They wanted our end of the deal to be 3 home games for THEM, which would put them in control of gate receipts, TV revenue sharing etc.

(i.e. Notre Dame v. Maryland @ FedEX in D.C. last season 2011 - played in Washington D.C, was a home game for Notre Dame. - get it? ND took the 70,000+ gate receipts and TV revenue and they decide how the revenue gets split up.)

We would not bend over and take that. We wanted the home games in NYC or Foxboro to be either neutral sites which mean 50/50 revenue sharing, or home games for us. THey weren't budging on that. I believe it came down to it that we would have agreed to the 6 game series, if only one of those three games in a NYC or Foxboro would be a neutral site - not even a home game, (not sure about that). One game, we would have split revenue 50/50 and we would have agreed. I'm pretty sure that's how it went down. THey still wouldn't budge, and wanted complete control of the revenue, so both sides walked away.

I'm perfectly fine with it. I'm not excited about getting fleeced financially by Notre Dame, lose a home game at Rentschler at the same time..... when we can continue to win games and build our national profile on our own, in our own stadium.

 

[Carl Spackler]

FYI: To my knowledge, every Notre Dame football game that has been scheduled in the NYC area, Yankee Stadium, etc....are all scheduled as "off-site" home games for ND.

UConn is the only program to stand up against that.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Correction: Just checked. Syracuse scheduled two games at Meadowlands w/ ND, and ND agreed to make them Syracuse home games. THis happened in 2009 - AFTER they tried to bend UConn over for games for a series of "off-site" home games in the northeast corridor, but we wouldn't do it. They proceeded to land "off-site" home games in Washington D.C., and Chicago, got the "off-site" home game against Army at Yankee Stadium, and then agreed to let Syracuse have the 'home' game rights to Meadowlands for two games. Syracuse has made a big push to schedule games at Met-Life, but I'm not sure how happy that's making people in upstate.

2012 home games at the carrier dome are Northwestern, Stony Brook, UConn, Louisville and Pitt.

Sure looks like Syracuse has agreed to do what UConn wouldn't, and agree to play seasons of only 5 games at their home field, and then go to NYC to play their 6th.