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RS9999X said:
September 18. 2011. FSU V. Oklahome on Saturday Night (ABC) Pulls higher ratings than the other 4 major networks combined with 8.5 million viewers...
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For all this talk of ratings, it's a shame the Big East couldn't maintain the momentum they had that year when a bunch of teams were in the Top 20. That year, the Big East had the highest rated games on ESPN. The northeast still has a ton of people living here, the casual fan will watch when a local team is in the mix.
 
Waquoit said:
For all this talk of ratings, it's a shame the Big East couldn't maintain the momentum they had that year when a bunch of teams were in the Top 20. That year, the Big East had the highest rated games on ESPN. The northeast still has a ton of people living here, the casual fan will watch when a local team is in the mix.
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Totally true. The stadium and rating for Rutgers/Louisville were on fire one night. You don't know what the potential of the northeast teams is until they are winning big. When they do, the interst level is very high.
 
Hoophound said:
Totally true. The stadium and rating for Rutgers/Louisville were on fire one night. You don't know what the potential of the northeast teams is until they are winning big. When they do, the interst level is very high.
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Rutgers-Louisville drew a 1.45 share in New York City compared to 0.7 for West Virginia-Syracuse, according to the Nielsen ratings released today.

That rating tied for fourth all-time on ESPN2 for a football game viewed in the New York City area. Rutgers has been involved in all five of the top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2.

Rutgers has also been part of four of the five highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.

That list is headed by Rutgers-Louisville in 2006, which drew an 8.1 rating, and includes Rutgers-West Virginia in 2006 (6.04); USC-Ohio State in 2009 (3.74); Rutgers-Cincinnati in 2006 (3.62) and South Florida Rutgers in 2007 (3.35). Rutgers-Louisville in 2006pulled 6.8 million nationally on ESPN/

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/rutgers-louisville_tv_rating_i.html
 
There are a narrow range of outcomes that are not horrendous for UConn. The main one being if the Big 12 adds 3 or 4 from the ACC but the Big 10 and SEC don't swoop in and pick at the remains. The rumor of the day is that the Big 12 will take FSU, Clemson, Louisville and Miami. In this scenario, I could see the ACC adding 1 or 3 teams, most likely UConn, Rutgers and USF. It would go for large market, state schools because it would still have state schools in the league. That is pretty much the only scenario that doesn't become a trainwreck for UConn, although if the ACC just grabs Rutgers, it goes back to being a train wreck.

I still think that UNC, UVa and Maryland will be too attractive to the Big 10 to pass up if the ACC becomes unstable. It may not take all 3, but the first two are easy adds for even the Big 10. The SEC didn't add 2 western teams to not add 2 eastern teams at some point. I think if there is a wholesale carve up of the ACC, that league goes a completely different direction.
 
One thing I will say about the ACC is that this league is incredibly loyal to each other. The ACC just got b-slapped publicly by ESPN, has been rumored to be getting raided for months now, and there is not a flight to the exit. UNC and UVa could join the SEC or the Big 10 by lunch time if they called either commissioner right now, but there is no indication they want to leave despite the opportunity to make millions more every year in either league. Virginia Tech is rumored to have politely declined the SEC a year ago. Even FSU seems to be moving slowly to the exits with the greatest reluctance, with all the FSU leaks making it seem like they want to work it out with the ACC but may have no choice but to leave.

FSU will make $10 to $15 million more per year in the Big 12. Those are facts. But most of the national and even local media still think the odds of them staying in the ACC are pretty good. UNC and UVA would make almost 2x their current contract if they jumped to the Big 10, yet there is not a whiff of such a move. That is simply incredible loyalty.

The Big East, on the other hand, has always hated each other. Pitt and Syracuse left for what may have been less money than they would have gotten if they had stayed. We will never no for sure, but financially, it was not a slam dunk. WVU was scrambling to get out long before they got a lifeline from the Big 12, despite having been very successful in the Big East. UConn has been as much a part of the problem as anyone. There isn't a single Big East school that would stick around if they could make an extra $1MM a year somewhere else.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
One thing I will say about the ACC is that this league is incredibly loyal to each other. The ACC just got b-slapped publicly by ESPN, has been rumored to be getting raided for months now, and there is not a flight to the exit. UNC and UVa could join the SEC or the Big 10 by lunch time if they called either commissioner right now, but there is no indication they want to leave despite the opportunity to make millions more every year in either league. Virginia Tech is rumored to have politely declined the SEC a year ago. Even FSU seems to be moving slowly to the exits with the greatest reluctance, with all the FSU leaks making it seem like they want to work it out with the ACC but may have no choice but to leave.

FSU will make $10 to $15 million more per year in the Big 12. Those are facts. But most of the national and even local media still think the odds of them staying in the ACC are pretty good. UNC and UVA would make almost 2x their current contract if they jumped to the Big 10, yet there is not a whiff of such a move. That is simply incredible loyalty.

The Big East, on the other hand, has always hated each other. Pitt and Syracuse left for what may have been less money than they would have gotten if they had stayed. We will never no for sure, but financially, it was not a slam dunk. WVU was scrambling to get out long before they got a lifeline from the Big 12, despite having been very successful in the Big East. UConn has been as much a part of the problem as anyone. There isn't a single Big East school that would stick around if they could make an extra $1MM a year somewhere else.
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Establishing that bond of trust and loyalty in working toward a common goal, has been priority #1 for Marinatto since last September. I think it's working. That bond was there in the beginning and for a long time in teh bigeast. There's nothing wrong with competiting interests in a group, as long as the bond of working toward a common goal exists - it's actually beneficial. It takes a leader that will direct that goal though, and we didn't have it, and Marinatto is too little, too late, and he recognized it. Mike Tranghese is still in the media talking about how he thinks the basketball schools should split from football....I wish I knew what it was about that guy that makes him despise football so much, because if he had been the leader the conference needed, the big east would be by far the most powerful athletic confernce in the country, a long time running, but in turn - again, UConn would probably still be in the same football league with Villanova. Good with the bad.

That bond started eroding in the Big EAs was lost, sometime in 2002, when Miami decided that they would be better off with a southern league, right after they won a national championship and the media dumped on it, and the big east leadership was more concerned about St. John's putting names on the back of their basketball jerseys. In 2003, the league members were still talking openly and honestly with each other, and the AD at Syracuse was completely sincere in his distain for the direction the big east was taking in meetings, and said that he would resign if expansion went the way the others wanted - and he was good to his word. Leahy at BC openly talked to the other leaders about his desire to move south.

By 2011, the concept of workign together toward a common goal and trust was irrelevant to certain membership in the big east when it came to meeting together and discussing future plans - not UConn though.

AFter that though? UConn was completely open in that the time had come for us to pursue our best interests on our own, whether that would be with the big east or not after that time was TBD, and I believe - my belief only - that presiden'ts herbst actions and statements, last fall, all completely honest and front line, and her actions in pursuing other interests....was the shot across the bow, that finally set the membership of this league in line.

I don't know if anyone is a religious person or not, but I am, in my own way, and I was brought up Catholic, so it's what I know. I did my thing, and it's funny thing about the bible, or whatever you read if you're a religious person, there's always a line in there that sets everything straight.

For me it - was Luke 10:30-37. The story of the beaten and robbed man, and the good samaritan. The appropriateness of that short little story, and the entire history of the big east, astounded me when opened the book and read it. BUt that's just me.

The big east will be loyal to each other, and htey will be honest with each other, and they've got very good leadership to set this thing right.
 
The football schools will no longer stay loyal. UConn, Cincy, Louisville and Rutgers will jump at the next good offer. Some new football schools could leave before a schedule is ever dreamt of. Marinatto has not developed loyalty, he's simply put together a patchwork conference of girls that haven't been invited to the prom.

The BE teams will not be loyal to each other but I do agree they will be honest with each other
 
Loyalty is established in many ways. Having a common goal, and establishing a plan to reach it that involves the participation of every member of a group, is one of those ways. I believe that John Marinatto recognized that he had assembled the group that would have the common goal, but was not capable of establishing the plan, because he's not skilled in the things that need to be done between now and 2013.
 
do you agree that there are at least five FB schools who would leave for the first good offer?
 
OK, so if tempted by better offers Louisville, Cincy, Rutgers and UConn would all choose to stay? Boise State will stay for FB if they can't find a spot for their olympic sports?
 
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The Funster said:
OK, so if tempted by better offers Louisville, Cincy, Rutgers and UConn would all choose to stay? Boise State will stay for FB if they can't find a spot for their olympic sports?
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Temptations. THe proverbial 40 days and 40 nights, until the big east hits the open market. We shall see. My answer to your question? my opinion is....yup.
 
UConn was a big part of the problem here in terms of trust. UConn could not have handled expansion any worse, and that is why UConn is on track to be the biggest loser in this entire round of realignment.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
UConn was a big part of the problem here in terms of trust. UConn could not have handled expansion any worse, and that is why UConn is on track to be the biggest loser in this entire round of realignment.
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I really wonder about you. If you mean that UConn should have been in the back room with the Liars all along, I disagree with you. Do you mean something else?
 
Carl Spackler said:
Temptations. THe proverbial 40 days and 40 nights, until the big east hits the open market. We shall see. My answer to your question? my opinion is....yup.
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Fair enough. I don't agree. I think we both want what is best for UConn.
 
The Funster said:
OK, so if tempted by better offers Louisville, Cincy, Rutgers and UConn would all choose to stay? Boise State will stay for FB if they can't find a spot for their olympic sports?
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I think every single football school would jump in an instant if they could get into one of the following: Pac 12, Big 12, Big 10, SEC, or ACC. Well maybe not Navy. But everyone else would.
 
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CTGoonie said:
I miss this thread and really want to see it get to 100k views. That is all.
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I´ve become emotionally invested in seeing it get to 1000 posts. Make my dream come true.
 
If the Big East were to get a decent media contract, the schools could afford to be loyal. Until that happens, they are at a competitive disadvantage when compared to other BCS schools. The samart move is to leave for the cash and stablility. With cash, however, comes stability. The next contract will tells if the league survives or not. That's why the powers that be have been working so hard to make sure it doesn't. That's also why the Big East could afford to give Marianetto another chance to prove that he's competetant.
 
Not that it really matters but is UConn the only team holding the ACC back from getting the ACC basketball tournament to MSG? It seems like UConn would be the lynchpin to making that happen.
 
which happens first?

1k posts or 100k views?
 
Blue whale said:
Not that it really matters but is UConn the only team holding the ACC back from getting the ACC basketball tournament to MSG? It seems like UConn would be the lynchpin to making that happen.
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Reality is holding the ACC back from getting its tournament in MSG.
 
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We should just merge all the FSU threads into this one, since FSU is still in the ACC for now.
 
If UConn happened to be admitted to the ACC, would we have to merge all threads into this one?
 
Blue whale said:
Not that it really matters but is UConn the only team holding the ACC back from getting the ACC basketball tournament to MSG? It seems like UConn would be the lynchpin to making that happen.
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MSG would want the tournament on an annual basis. Swofford & company treat that tournament like a boomerang travelling road show. It's been in the Georgia Dome, but it always finds its way back to Greensboro. I don't think that the Dolans would accept it on a part time basis.
 
Didn't the BE sign a long term deal with MSG for the tourney? Unless the BE disappears completely the ACC will never play there. They may try for Brooklyn though but that isn't "The Mecca".
 
The Funster said:
Didn't the BE sign a long term deal with MSG for the tourney? Unless the BE disappears completely the ACC will never play there. They may try for Brooklyn though but that isn't "The Mecca".
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No, but a state of the art brand new arena ain't a bad place to be, either...
 
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