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How does a television network make money? By selling advertising time. Everything else they can do for money is fluff. It's advertising time that's the key.

You have to ask yourself. How do I reach more people......not with sports.....with real time advertising........not DVR'd, not recorded........advertising on LIVE tv - that they need to watch.

That's the simple question that all of this sports broadcasting billion dollar contracts are about. The ability to reach the 18-49 male demographic with live advertising.

There's a big difference b/w the reach of cable television and the reach of networks that can go across public airwaves as well as digitally on cable, or online. Cox and ESPN were battling with cable companies as recently as January about the price of carrying ESPN on the basic tier packages and being dropped from basic tiers.

I was watching the NHL playoffs last night on NBCSports, and they're clearly making a move to the streaming world as well, as they were repeatedly advertising a streaming app to watch games.

THis info came out last week re: Comcast Sportsnet channels and NBC selling advertising time.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/nb...g-for-comcast-regional-sports-networks_b45595
 
BTW: still can't believe that nobody got my..."we came from trailers"......post about ESPN. Oh well. Maybe nobody's reading.
 
Carl Spackler said:
Crazy huh? i've been called crazy before.
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See, Carl, not to be picky but most people use that as a badge of honor in conjunction with the example of where they were called crazy and were ultimately proven right. Most of us don't use being called crazy as a badge of honor without that example.

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin ....
 
My prediction as of 4 pm EDT on 5/3:

If Big 12 goes to 12: Clemson and FSU
If Big 12 goes to 14: Louisville and....Miami or BYU.

Based on more rumors, and a couple of references in the mainstream media, I think Louisville is still high on the Big 12's list, but not in the same class with Clemson and FSU. Recent rumor is GTech doesn't want to go.

I think getting 2 teams will be enough of a challenge, and the Big 12 will stop there and see what happens. Louisville and Miami will both be there if the SEC or Big 10 raid the ACC. No need to grab them now.
 
businesslawyer said:
See, Carl, not to be picky but most people use that as a badge of honor in conjunction with the example of where they were called crazy and were ultimately proven right. Most of us don't use being called crazy as a badge of honor without that example.

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin ....
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I wonder if your altruistic remark is empathetic or sympathetic. :-)

As an expert in the law, I refer you to Luke 10:30-37.


There's a very important lesson to be applied in there to the intercollegiate landscape and the big east conference role in it, because football programs in the big east have been getting robbed and beaten up for a long time, while the priests passed by and did nothing, until their basketball conference became the robbed and beaten, left to die on the side of the road.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
My prediction as of 4 pm EDT on 5/3:

If Big 12 goes to 12: Clemson and FSU
If Big 12 goes to 14: Louisville and....Miami or BYU.

Based on more rumors, and a couple of references in the mainstream media, I think Louisville is still high on the Big 12's list, but not in the same class with Clemson and FSU. Recent rumor is GTech doesn't want to go.

I think getting 2 teams will be enough of a challenge, and the Big 12 will stop there and see what happens. Louisville and Miami will both be there if the SEC or Big 10 raid the ACC. No need to grab them now.
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I think the next six months or so are going to be quite interesting. Comcast Sports networks have quietly been ponying up for as much intercollegiate, as well as minor league pro, localized, regional interest sports broadcasting as they possibly can in all 11, or 12 of their regional networks for a while now.

Connecticut, has been a testing ground for this, and by all accounts I can gather - which is all the same information that anyone with an internet hookup can find with google......and by everything I can gather, it's working, in generating localized advertisers paying for localized broadcasting time. Other regionally based networks (Fox, CBS affiliated) seem to be following suit, and scrambling to catch up to comcast in snatching up localized interest broadcasting opportunities in sports...

I think that the ESPN market bubble is going to burst, and somethign I read about a year ago, published from an interview with a high level CBS exec, always rings back to me....and his comments on all of the sports broadcasting ballooning of contracts.....was simply.....where is all this money to fund these contracts going to come from?

If that market bubble bursts, because the advertising money to fund those giant contracts that have been handed out simply dries up nationwide b/c the advertising money is getting funneled into regionalized broadcasts ...the hell that will break loose will make the conference shifting of 2011 look like childs play.

UConn, will be set up to withstand the storm, should somethign liek that happen, and so should our Big East partners.

Enough for today. Think about it all. Open up your eyes.
 
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Carl -comcast just signed a 10 year deal that costs them 4.69 per sub for just espn Its 1.13 for the rest of their menu. They start at almost $72 per subscriber every year. Before they sell a single ad.

As of 2010 that was 99.5 million homes for both espn and espn2.

600 million dollars a month in carrier fees But you think networks make their money on advertising. Yeah you know their business better than they do. You may want to push your bubble prediction out a bit into the future.
 
Interesting development this afternoon. ESPN moving quick to combat the regional network approach, with the cyberspace angle"TV Everywhere" to take the best regional approach they can with their business structure - and using what? Comcast cable system.

http://www.multichannel.com/article...h_Live_ESPN_Disney_TV_Everywhere_Services.php

Whaler - big difference b/w comcast cable corp based in philly and comcast sportsnet. Disney / Timewarner made the deal with comcast corp back in january to allow streaming services online to comcast subscripers of disney television products including espn, espn2, espnu, espndeportes, espnnews, espnclassic, espngoalline, espnbuzzerbeater, espn3d, espngameplan, espnfullcourt, and espn3......all of them available streaming on comcast cable systems.

Comcast corp is the country's largest provider of streaming services. Comcast corp is also owns 51% of NBCUniversal....

Take this info and do what you will with it. Read the article. ESPN isn't run by dumb people either, and they are moving on this concept of "TV Everywhere" as I type, b/c it's the only way they can target regionally to audiences, through streaming services. The cyberspace equivalent of adding another channel to the cable system to go with all those others. Shotgun approach.

Comcastsportsnet, Foxsports, they can regionally target sports audiences much more effectively, and more importantly, cheaper....and ESPN knows it.
 
A shotgun approach that allows them to start the year with 7 billion dollars without selling an ad. The owner of NBC Sports is paying them $6 a subscriber but is going to compete against them with the NHL, MLS and maybe the Big East.

Check the ESPN rating for the EPL this week. It was ridiculous The idea that what they are doing isn't working is idiotic. The idea that the fools at NBC are going to outwit them is laughable.

If only ESPN would be more regional in their coverage of events from Europe! Then they wouldn't pull 7 figure audiences on Tuesday afternoons.
 
Carl can you read your own article? Watchespn isn't new, just new to Comcast. Tv Everywhere isn't ESPN its disney kids channels.
 
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noeynox said:
Good for them if they can get it. If that happens, you assume the ACC turns to UConn and RU. Do we go? I'd still have to say yes.
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IMO definitely yes. If we said no and Rutgers and Cincy went to the ACC we would not be too happy. If there is such a thing as an alliance between schools, now is the time to form an alliance with RU.
 
noeynox said:
If that happens, you assume the ACC turns to UConn and RU. Do we go? I'd still have to say yes.
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Do they go back to 14? Perhaps without Florida State (on the record as not wanting a basketball first school) and Clemson, they take UConn to settle the basketball-first schools. Roy Williams and Coach K were advocating for UConn's entrance, IIRC.
 
tzznandrew said:
Do they go back to 14? Perhaps without Florida State (on the record as not wanting a basketball first school) and Clemson, they take UConn to settle the basketball-first schools. Roy Williams and Coach K were advocating for UConn's entrance, IIRC.
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If the ACC really wants to dominate east coast basketball they would take Nova and Georgetown along with RU and UCONN. Before everyone screams the hybrid doesn't work recognize that this would be different because the two basketball schools would never be able to outvote the 14 football schools.
 
This crazy, crazy world of college football realignment! I was just starting to warm up to the idea of playing against teams like Boise State and Houston, too. And I can't lie; the idea of joining the ACC makes me violently ill. But in this weird game of musical chairs, I'm not sure that the school could say "no" if presented with the invite.

In an alternate universe, I would love for the Big East to have some coffer of money whereby, after being weakened by the loss of Fla St and Clemson, we could actually poach some of THEIR teams!! The comedy of grabbing back Va Tech and Miami would have me laughing for years to come. But alas, I live in this universe...
 
UConnDan97 said:
This crazy, crazy world of college football realignment! I was just starting to warm up to the idea of playing against teams like Boise State and Houston, too. And I can't lie; the idea of joining the ACC makes me violently ill. But in this weird game of musical chairs, I'm not sure that the school could say "no" if presented with the invite.

In an alternate universe, I would love for the Big East to have some coffer of money whereby, after being weakened by the loss of Fla St and Clemson, we could actually poach some of THEIR teams!! The comedy of grabbing back Va Tech and Miami would have me laughing for years to come. But alas, I live in this universe...
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You must (like me) be a big fan of X-Files & Fringe. It's obviously a Bizarro World idea.
 
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NBC (Versus) ratings Wednesday Night. 3rd best on cable.

05/03/12 - 03:19 PM]
Wednesday's Cable Ratings: NBA, NHL Postseason Take Top Spots
By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)
select cable nielsen ratings
(national numbers for wednesday, may 2, 2012)
Here are the highlights of 25 ad-sustained programs that aired in primetime on the cable networks last night, courtesy of TravisYanan:
NBA Playoffs: L.A. Clippers/Memphis - TNT
3.137 million viewers, #1; 1.926 million adults 18-49 (1.5 rating), #1
Duck Dynasty (10:00) - A&E
2.152 million viewers, #2; 1.335 million adults 18-49 (1.0 rating), #2
NHL Playoffs: Washington/N.Y. Rangers - NBCSN
1.853 million viewers, #3; 1.199 million adults 18-49 (0.9 rating), #3

Read more at http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2012/05/03/wednesdays-cable-ratings-nba-nhl-postseason-take-top-spots-653312/cable_20120502/#AJvxBQkfB3PEwE3P.99​
 
noeynox said:
You know, I was very skeptical of the From The Inside poster, but the numbers in that blog are very similar to the numbers he posted in that thread. 30 Million per team is outrageous. Good for them if they can get it. If that happens, you assume the ACC turns to UConn and RU. Do we go? I'd still have to say yes.
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FWIW, apparently Chip Brown dropped Clemson and FSU in a radio interview yesterday, and said some of the former "stay at 10" votes were prepared to expand if they could find the right 2. That sounds like a "no" to Louisville, and a "yes" to Clemson and FSU. The headline is that if Chip is authorized by Texas to drop a name, and UT authorizes everything Chip Brown writes, then this is no longer message board conjecture.

The problem with an potential ACC invitation is that if FSU and Clemson leave, that is probably not the end of the departures.
 
UConnDan97 said:
This crazy, crazy world of college football realignment! I was just starting to warm up to the idea of playing against teams like Boise State and Houston, too. ...
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Don't worry, if the ACC keeps getting poached we may end up playing Boise and Houston under the ACC banner. In 100 years we are playing UMASS under a Pac 12 banner.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
FWIW, apparently Chip Brown dropped Clemson and FSU in a radio interview yesterday, and said some of the former "stay at 10" votes were prepared to expand if they could find the right 2. That sounds like a "no" to Louisville, and a "yes" to Clemson and FSU. The headline is that if Chip is authorized by Texas to drop a name, and UT authorizes everything Chip Brown writes, then this is no longer message board conjecture.

The problem with an potential ACC invitation is that if FSU and Clemson leave, that is probably not the end of the departures.
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Louisville fans seem to think they are still in even if FSU and Clemson go to the B12. I find it hard to believe. If Louisville still gets in it will have to be with a huge revenue generator. Maybe BYU or ND, and the latter isn't happening.
 
lville fans think there in the b12 like wvu fans were in the sec a couple months ago.
 
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September 18. 2011. FSU V. Oklahome on Saturday Night (ABC) Pulls higher ratings than the other 4 major networks combined with 8.5 million viewers.

The B12 Championship on ABC on Sat Night in December outdrew the next 3 channels combined for over 3 hours

A Big 12 w/ Clemson and FSU can field a weekly B12 game on National Television (including marquee OOC games).

Fox Network anounced on April 9th it would go with Sports on Saturday Nights including 13 weeks of College football. CBS owns the SEC Spot on Saturday afternoon.

The BE isn't in that picture. IT's the same old argument in pro sports. There's 10 teams that draw a National audience. There's another 5 or 6 that draw OK when matched up against the Top 10. The rest are regional
 
Florida State announces a major financial shortfall in their athletic department. Warchant has done a 180 on leaving the ACC in the last day. Chip Brown is talking about expansion. Clemson fan blogs start talking about leaving. All the mouthpieces are getting new marching orders, all within the last 24 hours or so AFTER the Big 12 meetings were finished.

This is NOT a coincidence. These are the trial balloons getting floated. This is how universities reach out to their hardcore fans to sway public opinion among the fans and boosters.

By next week, the beat writers from FSU and Clemson will be on this story, with maybe McMurphy and a few others jumping in. I don't think it is a done deal by any means, but the wheels are in motion. This is no longer just a theory.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Florida State announces a major financial shortfall in their athletic department. Warchant has done a 180 on leaving the ACC in the last day. Chip Brown is talking about expansion. Clemson fan blogs start talking about leaving. All the mouthpieces are getting new marching orders, all within the last 24 hours or so AFTER the Big 12 meetings were finished.

This is NOT a coincidence. These are the trial balloons getting floated. This is how universities reach out to their hardcore fans to sway public opinion among the fans and boosters.

By next week, the beat writers from FSU and Clemson will be on this story, with maybe McMurphy and a few others jumping in. I don't think it is a done deal by any means, but the wheels are in motion. This is no longer just a theory.
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b12 got a commish, now all the presidents that were talking without a leader can get it all together on paper....
 
Fox has the PAC--12 for Saturday Nights: ABC has the B12. CBS has the 3:30 slot for the SEC. ABC has the BiG early afternoon afternoon games. NBC has Notre Dame and Army. ESPN has a pantload of content for Thursday games and Fox Sportsnet has a boatload for Saturday afternnon regionals

The BE and ACC should play on Wednesday and Friday :).

Unlike the crap coming out of Hollywood the networks can deliver consistent ratings with live sports. FSU and Clemson? Cheaper to maintian with higher ratings than the latest Jennifer Love Hewitt show
 
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