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ACC votes to add Stanford, Cal, SMU: Conference presidents approve expansion to 18 schools

The ACC grabbed mediocrity by the horns when they went NE with Boston College and Syracuse...

They will hunt the continent to find it, be it New England or California.


But hey, Stanford did give Coach Prime a loss last night...
 
Unbelievable game...Colorado up 29-0 at half...and loses.

A monumental comeback. Or collapse.

9.3 million viewers.
 
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billybud said:
Unbelievable game...Colorado up 29-0 at half...and loses.

A monumental comeback. Or collapse.

9.3 million viewers.
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That much of a halftime lead followed by loss makes the UConn-USU 17-7 halftime lead and subsequent loss a little easier to take. I'm glad Colorado lost to a "weaker" football team, but Stanford getting into the ACC rather than UConn is still a mindf*** that I can't stomach.
 
Blame Notre Dame for Stanford...they pushed, they built a enough votes to swing it...still wonder why NC State changed their vote to allow expansion...

I thought UConn was going to the Big 12....but Lucy was there once again.
 
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Fishy said:
It is what it is. If nothing else, it means we can stop thinking about realignment.
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What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no.
It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'.
What the duck happened to the Boneyard I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no.
It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get goin'.
What the duck happened to the Boneyard I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts.
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What do you think happened to both the USSR and the United States after years and years of more in Afghanistan?
 
Ha Who said:
What do you think happened to both the USSR and the United States after years and years of more in Afghanistan?
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That's why Alexander the Great took one look at the place and decided to take a right turn to India.
 
I wonder if the ACC is concerned about their basketball brand. If you look at the current NET ratings, the adds of SMU/Stanford/Cal are dilutive to ACC basketball as SMU is ranked 78, Stanford is ranked 218, and Cal is ranked 258. And, the top 2 ACC teams in the current NET ratings are Clemson at 20 and Virginia at 23. Based on the NET ratings, the ACC could be a 3 to 4 bid league which is low for a 15 school conference and catastrophic if the ACC was an 18 school league.
 
UConnJim said:
I wonder if the ACC is concerned about their basketball brand. If you look at the current NET ratings, the adds of SMU/Stanford/Cal are dilutive to ACC basketball as SMU is ranked 78, Stanford is ranked 218, and Cal is ranked 258. And, the top 2 ACC teams in the current NET ratings are Clemson at 20 and Virginia at 23. Based on the NET ratings, the ACC could be a 3 to 4 bid league which is low for a 15 school conference and catastrophic if the ACC was an 18 school league.
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If they were worried then they would have added UConn. They clearly are making irrational knee jerk decisions at this point.
 
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UConnJim said:
I wonder if the ACC is concerned about their basketball brand. If you look at the current NET ratings, the adds of SMU/Stanford/Cal are dilutive to ACC basketball as SMU is ranked 78, Stanford is ranked 218, and Cal is ranked 258. And, the top 2 ACC teams in the current NET ratings are Clemson at 20 and Virginia at 23. Based on the NET ratings, the ACC could be a 3 to 4 bid league which is low for a 15 school conference and catastrophic if the ACC was an 18 school league.
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To that, what I can say is properly captured by:
 
ZooCougar said:
If they were worried then they would have added UConn. They clearly are making irrational knee jerk decisions at this point.
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What's odd is that the ACC built its reputation on basketball and they have given it away. The new Big 12 is a better basketball conference. Does anybody think that Cal and Stanford are going to be able to field top basketball teams when they are going to play most of their conference road games thousands of miles away? What top recruit would go to either school? Football is different as there will only be 3 long distance trips. The ACC is going to lose FSU and Clemson in the long run so football is going to be watered down, so what is their LT strategy?
 
UConnJim said:
What's odd is that the ACC built its reputation on basketball and they have given it away. The new Big 12 is a better basketball conference. Does anybody think that Cal and Stanford are going to be able to field top basketball teams when they are going to play most of their conference road games thousands of miles away? What top recruit would go to either school? Football is different as there will only be 3 long distance trips. The ACC is going to lose FSU and Clemson in the long run so football is going to be watered down, so what is their LT strategy?
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The only thing that makes sense is the ACC will become the academic elite FBS conference. The top state football programs will leave and the remaining privates will be the southern Ivy. There is no other explanation when your move is to add three programs which weaken both football and basketball but raise the academic bar. Not a bad strategy given it cannot compete with the B1G or SEC and has been outmaneuvered by the Big 12. Then eventually add in Tulane, Rice, and maybe Vandy, Northwestern.
 
UConnJim said:
What's odd is that the ACC built its reputation on basketball and they have given it away. The new Big 12 is a better basketball conference. Does anybody think that Cal and Stanford are going to be able to field top basketball teams
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They had a solid run from about 1995 to 2008, 18-13 tourney record, 4 S16, one E8, one FF, 11 tourneys with at least one win, and made 11 straight tourneys at one point. 1999 team was excellent, other than getting smacked around at home by UConn (70-59). In fact 1998-2001 was perhaps the best 4-year stretch in their history with 2 one seeds, one 2 seed, and one 3 seed BUT they've fallen off a cliff more or less since then and have been pretty much irrelevant for the past 15 years.
 
Kolumbo said:
The only thing that makes sense is the ACC will become the academic elite FBS conference. The top state football programs will leave and the remaining privates will be the southern Ivy. There is no other explanation when your move is to add three programs which weaken both football and basketball but raise the academic bar. Not a bad strategy given it cannot compete with the B1G or SEC and has been outmaneuvered by the Big 12. Then eventually add in Tulane, Rice, and maybe Vandy, Northwestern.
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And us ;). That would be nice.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
What happens to Louisville?
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As a state university, ideally, it would end up back in c-usa. If we could somehow get that eastern football conference we could take them for balast chief.
 
UConnJim said:
What's odd is that the ACC built its reputation on basketball and they have given it away. The new Big 12 is a better basketball conference. Does anybody think that Cal and Stanford are going to be able to field top basketball teams when they are going to play most of their conference road games thousands of miles away? What top recruit would go to either school? Football is different as there will only be 3 long distance trips. The ACC is going to lose FSU and Clemson in the long run so football is going to be watered down, so what is their LT strategy?
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Basketball is basketball...it pays di-dah...maybe it will get paid more in future.

The narrative of the ACC losing football schools is bandied about...but, who has invited them and can it happen before a decade has passed ?

Those questions get skirted...

On a side note...I was surprised by the Big Ten basketball and their viewing channels...BTN mainly.

 
billybud said:
On a side note...I was surprised by the Big Ten basketball and their viewing channels...BTN mainly.

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I have saying this for a long time. The vast majority of the Big 10, SEC, and ACC basketball games end up on the BTN, SECN, and ACCN. So, for those three conferences, the media value of basketball is essentially tied up with the conference networks except for some basketball inventory. The conferences have to put the content on their networks to offer value for the cable companies to carry their channels.

The Big East and B12 do not have conference networks so they have lots of basketball inventory to offer the networks with some good matchups. This is what Yormack was thinking about when he looked at UConn. The more basketball brands you have, the more value to the networks. Think 2 Kansas/UConn games, 2 Kansas/Arizona games, 2 Arizona/UConn games. And throw in whoever is playing well in the Big 12 like Houston/Baylor/Kansas St......

Look at this year. The Big 12 would have: 1) Arizona, 2) Kansas, 3) Houston, 5) UConn, 6) Baylor. And possibly 7) Gonzaga. Theoretically, that's 20 top 10 matchups this season! 30 if you include Gonzaga vs the ACC, SEC, and Big 10 with zero top 10 matchups.
 
UConnJim said:
What's odd is that the ACC built its reputation on basketball and they have given it away. The new Big 12 is a better basketball conference. Does anybody think that Cal and Stanford are going to be able to field top basketball teams when they are going to play most of their conference road games thousands of miles away? What top recruit would go to either school? Football is different as there will only be 3 long distance trips. The ACC is going to lose FSU and Clemson in the long run so football is going to be watered down, so what is their LT strategy?
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Day-to-day survival.
 
Exit 4 said:
they become the reverse Northwestern.
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Well that would be an interesting metamorphosis since, academic wise they are the anti-Northwestern.
 
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CL82 said:
Well that would be an interesting metamorphosis since, academic wise they are the anti-Northwestern.
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or Southeastern, if you will. Now it's starting to make sense.
 
UConnJim said:
What's odd is that the ACC built its reputation on basketball and they have given it away. The new Big 12 is a better basketball conference. Does anybody think that Cal and Stanford are going to be able to field top basketball teams when they are going to play most of their conference road games thousands of miles away? What top recruit would go to either school? Football is different as there will only be 3 long distance trips. The ACC is going to lose FSU and Clemson in the long run so football is going to be watered down, so what is their LT strategy?
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The ACC didn’t give it away, the relative programs just declined. Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame, Wake Forest. Even the two flagships have seen their HOF coaches retire.
 
JeepCSC said:
The ACC didn’t give it away, the relative programs just declined. Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame, Wake Forest. Even the two flagships have seen their HOF coaches retire.
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And that's part of the rub. The ACC thought UConn couldn't sustain is success without Calhoun, yet in their hubris they failed to look in the mirror to realize that's what could occur with them.
 
KryHavok said:
And that's part of the rub. The ACC thought UConn couldn't sustain is success without Calhoun, yet in their hubris they failed to look in the mirror to realize that's what could occur with them.
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it's all about coaching, which is why I'm positive we'd be fine in the ACC or Big12.
 
JeepCSC said:
The ACC didn’t give it away, the relative programs just declined. Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame, Wake Forest. Even the two flagships have seen their HOF coaches retire.
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I don't agree. Adding Stanford/Cal/SMU diluted basketball and probably football as well. As for the schools you mentioned, NC State has not been to an Elite 8 since 1986. Pitt was in a decline when they joined the ACC and the Big East made Pitt as they used to be strong recruiters in the NYC area. Wake Forest has one Sweet 16 in 25 years. Notre Dame has performed about in line with recent history. Louisville has struggled since Pitino left and need a new head coach, then they will be back. Syracuse lost their program builder and replaced him with a former player. We've since this before.

And, Miami and Virginia have performed above expectations to offset the decline of Syracuse and Louisville.
 
UConnJim said:
I don't agree. Adding Stanford/Cal/SMU diluted basketball and probably football as well. As for the schools you mentioned, NC State has not been to an Elite 8 since 1986. Pitt was in a decline when they joined the ACC and the Big East made Pitt as they used to be strong recruiters in the NYC area. Wake Forest has one Sweet 16 in 25 years. Notre Dame has performed about in line with recent history. Louisville has struggled since Pitino left and need a new head coach, then they will be back. Syracuse lost their program builder and replaced him with a former player. We've since this before.

And, Miami and Virginia have performed above expectations to offset the decline of Syracuse and Louisville.
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Pitt's problem is that they replaced Jamie Dixon with Kevin Stallings.
 
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