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[JohnFSilver]

This will the be the death of the acc network. That why adding the three schools makes zero sense.

Thamel’s tweets seems to think its a non-starter for SMU. Lol. I wonder who is pushing cal and Stanford and who said no?

 

[Blades]

 

[king conn]

SMU getting rejected despite coming for free?

I imagine that will be our next humiliation

 

[huskymedic]

 

[gsmooth]

Stanford and Cal's sports line up pretty well with the Big 12 sports offerings, better than the WCC. And, in the Big 12, Stanford and Cal would be playing 4 schools previously in the Pac 12. I just can't imagine Stanford and Cal, 2 academically oriented schools, sending their teams across the country to play ACC schools.

I think the order of preference for Cal and Stanford is:

1) Big 10
2) Big 12
3) Independent in football/WCC
4) ACC

Financially, I think the ACC can make Stanford/Cal/SMU work, but I don't think Stanford/Cal want to join the conference.

 

[Hamms30]

Hello, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington St. It's you're old pal UConn. First off, welcome to purgatory. It's always cloudy and once a decade you get zapped in the pills by lightning. We got zapped twice in five years, phew what a shock! Anyways... interested in some home and home series over the next couple years?

 

[BlueandOG]

I’m sure the ACC knows everything about us already. Bringing in us with those three would be a solid academic add plus be more than on par with Big XII. I’d hardly call two top 20 directors cup schools mediocre sports. Some universities need to have the courage to hold the collegiate athletic mission statement faithfully. The mission is to provide educational opportunities to students from all walks of life.

The only sentence that makes sense is the first and the first half of the second. The rest is as weird or outdated as calling jeans dungarees.

 

[Seamus84]

Not that it drives the bus, but you’re starting to hear more blowback about non-football sports travel. I can see “academics-first”schools like Stanford and Cal pausing for a bit to review all the implications.

 

[businesslawyer]

Not that it drives the bus, but you’re starting to hear more blowback about non-football sports travel. I can see “academics-first”schools like Stanford and Cal pausing for a bit to review all the implications.

Football teams can play in a national conference. You travel every other week, and it being (much) longer flights is an inconvenience, not life changing. Telling athletes in sports that aren’t going to lead to pro careers that they have to fly coast to coast, repeatedly, in the middle of the week is in fact life changing. Why is a volleyball player or a soccer player going to sign up for that?

 

[BlueandOG]

The ACC decision to not expand is great for us. More schools in our situation adds to the strength of our football independence. Now we have to play and beat them so we increase our leverage for future opportunities.

 

[Urcea]

The ACC decision to not expand is great for us. More schools in our situation adds to the strength of our football independence. Now we have to play and beat them so we increase our leverage for future opportunities.

Our coach also presumably knows how to recruit California. Win all around

 

[billybud]

Stanford's coach doesn't mind travelling...

"I'm OK with traveling," Taylor said. "Our guys love playing football, and if you've got to travel a little more, that means when people come play us, they got to travel," Taylor said. "We want to be in a great conference, and we're sure that will happen. The travel, if that happens, it's fine. People used to have to come across the country in a covered wagon -- it would take them months and they'd be completely different people by the time they got there. We get on a plane for five hours, six hours, that's not the end of the world. You get drinks served to you and some snacks, and it's not that bad."

 

[upstater]

The ACC decision to not expand is great for us. More schools in our situation adds to the strength of our football independence. Now we have to play and beat them so we increase our leverage for future opportunities.

The ACC isn't adding because of one simple reason. Conference members are split on the way forward. Half the conference doesn't want to add new voting members who could potentially vote to dissolve the GOR.

You could add schools with the tacit agreement that they would support the dissolution of the GOR. Why would those schools dissolve the contract? Because they'd still be in a conference negotiating whatever comes next.

I doubt UConn will be added unless we're close to the end of the GOR or the GOR is somehow dissolved, if only because our vote would probably align with the northeastern schools.

The ACC is involved in a high risk game of chess that ends with a billion dollars in revenue.

 

[uchusky32]

The ACC is stuck. Can't breakup. And can't expand. I don't see FSU agreeing to anything but let us take our ball and leave.

 

[businesslawyer]

The ACC isn't adding because of one simple reason. Conference members are split on the way forward. Half the conference doesn't want to add new voting members who could potentially vote to dissolve the GOR.

You could add schools with the tacit agreement that they would support the dissolution of the GOR. Why would those schools dissolve the contract? Because they'd still be in a conference negotiating whatever comes next.

I doubt UConn will be added unless we're close to the end of the GOR or the GOR is somehow dissolved, if only because our vote would probably align with the northeastern schools.

The ACC is involved in a high risk game of chess that ends with a billion dollars in revenue.

Well said. In the pre-Civil War U.S., Congress could only get the votes to add a slave state, or a free state, with the simultaneous admission of a free state or slave state, respectively, as Congress was unwilling to change the status quo as to Congressional power. That's exactly where the ACC is today.

 

[upstater]

Well said. In the pre-Civil War U.S., Congress could only get the votes to add a slave state, or a free state, with the simultaneous admission of a free state or slave state, respectively, as Congress was unwilling to change the status quo as to Congressional power. That's exactly where the ACC is today.

Good analogy. How can they possibly agree to anything?

 

[Urcea]

Well said. In the pre-Civil War U.S., Congress could only get the votes to add a slave state, or a free state, with the simultaneous admission of a free state or slave state, respectively, as Congress was unwilling to change the status quo as to Congressional power. That's exactly where the ACC is today.

so you're saying the ACC is stuck in a Civil ConFLiCT?

 

[NH Husky]

The only sentence that makes sense is the first and the first half of the second. The rest is as weird or outdated as calling jeans dungarees.

What’s a dungarees?

 

[uchusky32]

Notre Dame butting in only fuels FSU anger more. FSU is like you got yours we want the same.

 

[uchusky32]

If ND was in the ACC they would make less everyone else more. This is the problem.

 

[kibblesnbits]

Just pointing out that Ole Miss has more market power than people up here probably expect. Most popular team in Memphis and parts of Arkansas. In 2021 they came in 18th most watched, ahead of Clemson, FSU, USC etc. I agreed with your point, they just weren’t an example of it.

Of course being popular in that territory is in no way related to the fact that MS was the last to drop the Confederate battle flag from the state flag or that the university, while no longer having the Colonel Reb mascot (officially) still is called Ole Miss and the teams are still the Rebels. The official explanation being that the term is no longer referring to Confederates but more modern rebels as anyone bucking the status quo. Uh, sure.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[ZooCougar]

Of course being popular in that territory is in no way related to the fact that MS was the last to drop the Confederate battle flag from the state flag or that the university, while no longer having the Colonel Reb mascot (officially) still is called Ole Miss and the teams are still the Rebels. The official explanation being that the term is no longer referring to Confederates but more modern rebels as anyone bucking the status quo. Uh, sure.

It has nothing to do with that.

They are the biggest and most prominent program in the area he described.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It has nothing to do with that.

They are the biggest and most prominent program in the area he described.

I honestly didn't know that until The Blind Side. I did some looking into it and learned something. It's much closer to Memphis than U Tennessee and about as close to Little Rock as U Arkansas.

 

[Hamms30]

Why doesn't ACC go to some sort of payout where half the revenue shares or 75% are guaranteed and paid out equally amongst the other members. The remainder of the revenue share payouts are based on finishing order in the conference. More successful members will win a larger share of that pot that's left than the others. That way FSU and Clemson aren't getting the same payout as Boston College. I'd be pissed if I was them too. It also incentivizes the other schools to make an effort to be more competitive. Then do the same for basketball for whatever allocable portion of revenues relate to basketball vs. football.

 

[ZooCougar]

I honestly didn't know that until The Blind Side. I did some looking into it and learned something. It's much closer to Memphis than U Tennessee and about as close to Little Rock as U Arkansas.

When I was in school in Memphis, UT was probably the most popular but Ole Miss was a close #2. But they are clearly the biggest program in the area. Memphis is really little brother to UT and Ole Miss.

It’s a cool campus and amazing place to take in a game. My opinion on their fans is very mixed.

 

[ZooCougar]

I honestly didn't know that until The Blind Side. I did some looking into it and learned something. It's much closer to Memphis than U Tennessee and about as close to Little Rock as U Arkansas.

Ole Miss is less than an hour away from Memphis. It’s like comparing KU’s proximity to Kansas City. It was nothing to pop down to Oxford to see a band or something.

 

[Blades]

Notre Dame butting in only fuels FSU anger more. FSU is like you got yours we want the same.

Interesting video along those lines on the Notre Dame vs. FSU's, Clemson reasoning. Along with UNC, Virginia and NC St, who he claims voted against Cal, Stanford and SMU, which he says add next to nothing ( says the PAC 2 would come in at 70%, SMU for zip as reported).

Pretty much the fight is vs. Notre Dame, ESPN and the other yes votes ( incl Miami) want ACC to stay together as long as possible.....before many different outcomes ( B1G interests, SEC interests, etc) of more CR have a chance to play out. Also mentions an AUG 15 date as important.

 

[CL82]

I've often thought why say that "you're interested" in two schools only to take a big steaming dump on them days later and say "well they didn't bring value." How about a little due diligence before the whole dog and pony show about "we are considering the schools" asshats?

 

[CL82]

The ACC isn't adding because of one simple reason. Conference members are split on the way forward. Half the conference doesn't want to add new voting members who could potentially vote to dissolve the GOR.

You could add schools with the tacit agreement that they would support the dissolution of the GOR. Why would those schools dissolve the contract? Because they'd still be in a conference negotiating whatever comes next.

I doubt UConn will be added unless we're close to the end of the GOR or the GOR is somehow dissolved, if only because our vote would probably align with the northeastern schools.

The ACC is involved in a high risk game of chess that ends with a billion dollars in revenue.

That's a possibility, it's also a possibility that ESPN doesn't want them to be viable after 2036 and that's won't pay for any additions.