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Oh I get it. Both are draws compared to most. But those are ESPN's home games either way. ;)

Naw...the current ACC poor match ups are on the ACCN...more viewers is much better than fewer viewers.

What the media may be moving to is maximizing marquee matches...more brands vs brands.

The question of whether there is enough value there to pay much more is an open question.
 
Everyone says this. Why does the SEC want them? Or Clemson? They have the most popular teams in those states. Maybe if they could trade Vandy and Miss State, sure. Then there is TV. ESPN has their rights through 2036. Somebody has to explain the incentive they have to pay double for the same content. As for the B1G, I don't think it would touch either of them. UNC and UVA, sure.
I get what you're saying but I don't think state lines are as meaningful as some think. The SEC is king and I think it makes sense to have 2 programs in Florida. It has two in Texas, Alabama, Tennessee, and even Mississippi. If it matters, Clemson is better academically than USC, has more applicants, Clemson is the land grant U, and has a bigger football stadium. Clemson has a cool school logo but I gotta give the athletic logo to USC.
 
What one man has to say about current realignments...


 
Here is what Lamont said
"Look, everybody wants to be aligned with UConn. UConn is a university of winners. Men’s basketball, men’s hockey, football, across the board."

Who is the everybody he is talking about?
Winning winners who want to win
 
Hmmm, interesting. I read that SMU is very wealthy


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Naw...the current ACC poor match ups are on the ACCN...more viewers is much better than fewer viewers.

What the media may be moving to is maximizing marquee matches...more brands vs brands.

The question of whether there is enough value there to pay much more is an open question.
What that model -- maximizing marquee matches -- argues for (only economically of course) is less expanding with good teams and more getting rid of your bottomfeeders. You can add FSU and Clemson, but 'Bama still has to play Miss State, Ole Miss and Arkansas every year.
 
Here is what Lamont said
"Look, everybody wants to be aligned with UConn. UConn is a university of winners. Men’s basketball, men’s hockey, football, across the board."

Who is the everybody he is talking about?

It’s what you say when you’ve lost and you need to say something other than that.
 
What that model -- maximizing marquee matches -- argues for (only economically of course) is less expanding with good teams and more getting rid of your bottomfeeders. You can add FSU and Clemson, but 'Bama still has to play Miss State, Ole Miss and Arkansas every year.

Yes...but maybe on the SECN...9 SEC games came up on the SECN rather than major networks in 2022 week 1 alone
 
I could see some lesser match ups moving to the SECN to free up slots for higher view matched.
 
The ACC looks weak going after three schools with nothing going for them other than academics. Mediocre sports, terrible location.

I still think the ACC is toast. If they offered us full membership (they won’t) I would take it. Short of that, Bud East and Independent football is working. Keep winning and wait till the next round of CR
 
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The ACC will only add programs if the numbers work....more $...and heck, as soon fly west as to Syracuse and Boston.
 



This will the be the death of the acc network. That why adding the three schools makes zero sense.
 
Here is what Lamont said
"Look, everybody wants to be aligned with UConn. UConn is a university of winners. Men’s basketball, men’s hockey, football, across the board."

Who is the everybody he is talking about?

That's not the quote I was referring to, but it's from the same article. Lamont said some thing like "things are happening all the time" or some similar verbiage that gave me the impression that we are in some kind of discussion at varying levels of seriousness fairly regularly.
 
If FSU can leave, then Clemson can leave. The SEC will be interested. They'll go to the SEC in a heartbeat. The SEC then becomes an 18 team conference and an absolute monster in football. FSU and Clemson are geographically perfect with a huge presence and following.
Florida and South Carolina pols will lobby for their inclusion.
I think the opposite. Florida and South Carolina will keep FSU and Clemson out of the SEC.
 
What that model -- maximizing marquee matches -- argues for (only economically of course) is less expanding with good teams and more getting rid of your bottomfeeders. You can add FSU and Clemson, but 'Bama still has to play Miss State, Ole Miss and Arkansas every year.
Ole Miss is damned good (and may have the best uniforms CFB), but aside from that I agree. These super-sized conferences are already at risk of losing some of the key matchups they want. If they add FSU, do they lose the annual Florida - Georgia game? The B1G is about to suffer some buyer's remorse I expect.
 
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Ole Miss is damned good (and may have the best uniforms CFB), but aside from that I agree. These super-sized conferences are already at risk of losing some of the key matchups they want. If they add FSU, do they lose the annual Florida - Georgia game? The B1G is about to suffer some buyer's remorse I expect.

My point was not criticizing anyone's football prowess -- just noting relative market power.
 
Ole Miss is damned good (and may have the best uniforms CFB), but aside from that I agree. These super-sized conferences are already at risk of losing some of the key matchups they want. If they add FSU, do they lose the annual Florida - Georgia game? The B1G is about to suffer some buyer's remorse I expect.
I think expanding to the west coast was a huge mistake, but they saw LA and its 18 million population and all those big fat juicy cable boxes ripe to be taken over by the Big Ten Network and the prime carriage rate they get. Probably shortsighted and old school thinking, but the B1G is a conference representing the rusting away stagnant parts of the country that saw their heyday half a century ago, so this approach fits.
 
My point was not criticizing anyone's football prowess -- just noting relative market power.
Just pointing out that Ole Miss has more market power than people up here probably expect. Most popular team in Memphis and parts of Arkansas. In 2021 they came in 18th most watched, ahead of Clemson, FSU, USC etc. I agreed with your point, they just weren’t an example of it.
 
I think expanding to the west coast was a huge mistake, but they saw LA and its 18 million population and all those big fat juicy cable boxes ripe to be taken over by the Big Ten Network and the prime carriage rate they get. Probably shortsighted and old school thinking, but the B1G is a conference representing the rusting away stagnant parts of the country that saw their heyday half a century ago, so this approach fits.
I think it was a smart, surgical move. They took the cream and got to Pacific Time. Pacific Time is a big market, but not the best sports-watching area, especially southern California. But it makes them truly national and they added like-minded institutions. The Big Ten might be rust belt, but smart kids from all over the country still want to go to those schools.

I think the Big 12 moves were less impressive. They did get Arizona (the state), but there is total redundancy in taking the two schools. And having BYU and Utah is just terrible. Plus, if you look at their other schools, all are second (or third or fourth) fiddle in their state and some are from low population states. We'd have been better off in the Big 12 than where we are, but the Big 12 is only hot because Yormark made a fantastic media deal. Are you really impressed with that line-up of teams on the football side? And as great as the basketball is considered, you only have Kansas and Arizona that people care about.

In my opinion (with isn't worth anything), the Big 12 should corner the market of remaining, decent schools. That would, of course, include UConn. Plan on going to like 30 schools and equal the Big Ten and SEC by sheer numbers.
 
The ACC looks weak going after three schools with nothing going for them other than academics. Mediocre sports, terrible location.

I still think the ACC is toast. If they offered us full membership (they won’t) I would take it. Short of that, Bud East and Independent football is working. Keep winning and wait till the next round of CR
I’m sure the ACC knows everything about us already. Bringing in us with those three would be a solid academic add plus be more than on par with Big XII. I’d hardly call two top 20 directors cup schools mediocre sports. Some universities need to have the courage to hold the collegiate athletic mission statement faithfully. The mission is to provide educational opportunities to students from all walks of life.
 
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I think it was a smart, surgical move. They took the cream and got to Pacific Time. Pacific Time is a big market, but not the best sports-watching area, especially southern California. But it makes them truly national and they added like-minded institutions. The Big Ten might be rust belt, but smart kids from all over the country still want to go to those schools.

I think the Big 12 moves were less impressive. They did get Arizona (the state), but there is total redundancy in taking the two schools. And having BYU and Utah is just terrible. Plus, if you look at their other schools, all are second (or third or fourth) fiddle in their state and some are from low population states. We'd have been better off in the Big 12 than where we are, but the Big 12 is only hot because Yormark made a fantastic media deal. Are you really impressed with that line-up of teams on the football side? And as great as the basketball is considered, you only have Kansas and Arizona that people care about.

In my opinion (with isn't worth anything), the Big 12 should corner the market of remaining, decent schools. That would, of course, include UConn. Plan on going to like 30 schools and equal the Big Ten and SEC by sheer numbers.
And part of the reason the Big 12 was the best basketball conference was because it only had 10 teams. None were awful but WVU, K-State, Okie State, Oklahoma were not great.

Of the 8 programs it is adding, Arizona and Houston were great. It could have had the actual National Champion. Yormark was hot but he may have saddled the conference long term with some extra baggage.
 
James Pitaro,CEO of ESPN, lives in Westport. Can’t you talk to him since he is your neighbor.
This may be a job for @businesslawyer

He lives next door (Fairfield) and I'm a bit rougher around the edges. I grew up in the Cove (Stamford) and still have a decent amount of cove in me.
 
Thames saying the same

 
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