ACC expansion

[billybud]

 

[Waquoit]

Others would say those who don't understand why Tulane is being considered shouldn't be taken seriously.

It would be ironic. Tulane's facilities are all pretty new and while nice they are decidedly modest. Nothing there says big-time. And they get a spot?

 

[metsfan2323]

Well if they want to improve basketball there is really only one school available for them to add with Cal/Stamford, and it isn't SMU.

 

[SU1968]

Well if they want to improve basketball there is really only one school available for them to add with Cal/Stamford, and it isn't SMU.

BB is a relatively small investment compared to football. With NIL, any school wanting to upgrade their BB team can do so in a short period of time.

 

[ramses 2.0]

My understanding is that UNC favors a plan that gives the schools with the most value(FSU,CLE,MIA,UNC,Duke) more base payments & rewarding all with performance based incentives. They are proposing to do this with mostly new money Calford/SMU savings,CFP & tourney revenue.

 

[Dooooooomed]

ACC basketball was already trending in the wrong direction. Only gets worse with Cal, Stanford, & SMU. So many dregs now. 5th best basketball conference from here on out.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

if ACC adds UConn basketball will soar in conference

 

[whalerfan]

It's really hard not to take the latest two snubs personally. It just seems that no matter what UConn does it's just not good enough. As someone who has great interest in the football program (as well as basketball) I can't see a prolonged path forward with independence.

 

[zls44]

It's really hard not to take the latest two snubs personally. It just seems that no matter what UConn does it's just not good enough. As someone who has great interest in the football program (as well as basketball) I can't see a prolonged path forward with independence.

Stop crying.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

It's really hard not to take the latest two snubs personally. It just seems that no matter what UConn does it's just not good enough. As someone who has great interest in the football program (as well as basketball) I can't see a prolonged path forward with independence.

If anything, this ridiculous move just expedites the ACC implosion.

I predict that by the end of the ACC media deal, there will be significant movement as this isn't a long term strategic move, it's a desperate attempt to squeeze out a few more mill per team while the money is available.

 

[noeynox]

It's really hard not to take the latest two snubs personally. It just seems that no matter what UConn does it's just not good enough. As someone who has great interest in the football program (as well as basketball) I can't see a prolonged path forward with independence.

I can't take what happened with the Big12 personally. It wasn't "if we don't get the whole PAC conference to jump, we'll take UConn." That debacle came about because UW/OU whored themselves out to the Big10, and in effect have led everyone else to conclude that the P5/4 seats are so valuable you must do WHATEVER it takes to get there. Take little or no money? Check. Put your olympic sports on flights from California to Tallahassee? Check.

The ACC on the other hand will piss on UConn any and every chance it gets GUARANTEED!

 

[MKH2317]

My jaw just hit the floor

 

[JeepCSC]

If anything, this ridiculous move just expedites the ACC implosion.

I predict that by the end of the ACC media deal, there will be significant movement as this isn't a long term strategic move, it's a desperate attempt to squeeze out a few more mill per team while the money is available.

Only the top two leagues have the luxury of long-term moves. Everyone else is doubling up on Utah or adding the Bay schools to a Southeast-based conference. Money train is slowing down, so trying to eek out the last little bit while we can.

 

[Mora4Prez]

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It's really hard not to take the latest two snubs personally. It just seems that no matter what UConn does it's just not good enough. As someone who has great interest in the football program (as well as basketball) I can't see a prolonged path forward with independence.

Im with you man. I can appreciate people on this board wanting to be optimistic but UConn athletics has been one of the biggest financial failure in all of college sports. I’m not talking about our performance on the field/court but just in terms of how much we’ve invested vs gotten in return. No matter what anyone on this board says, you cannot continue to support a nationally-relevant athletics program on $7M a year for the long term. Just doesn’t happen. Something has to give and I fear that we’re only years away from the football program shutting down.

People can call me a doomer or whatever but this has been the worst 3 month period possible for our athletics program. There’s literally not a single thing that could have gone worse for us.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Only the top two leagues have the luxury of long-term moves. Everyone else is doubling up on Utah or adding the Bay schools to a Southeast-based conference. Money train is slowing down, so trying to eek out the last little bit while we can.

Yeah, I'm not necessarily faulting them. They know the merry go round ends in 2036.

There's is just zero way that Stanford, Cal, or SMU would help them negotiate a better media deal in 2036 than UConn... while not being a total geographical albatross.

But, like you said, it isn't about that..it's about adding another $25-$30M per team over the next ~7 or so years and figuring out a new way of life when the GOR expires.

 

[CL82]

continue to support a nationally-relevant athletics program on $7M a year for the long term. Just doesn’t happen. Something has to give and I fear that we’re only years away from the football program shutting down.

Fortunately for us, the governor of the state of Connecticut thinks otherwise and has said so publicly.

 

[bendm]

patching holes on the titanic

 

[buddy]

Fortunately for us, the governor of the state of Connecticut thinks otherwise and has said so publicly.

Do you know or anyone else here know what he has actually done as far as getting ESPN to help out UConn? Even in this latest ACC expansion, ESPN is controlling everything and UConn is not even mentioned.

 

[jostar1]

Why can't the ACC basketball schools flex their power this time (like FSU and Clemson did last time on Louisville) and insist on UConn instead of SMU in order to get their vote?

 

[CL82]

Do you know or anyone else here know what he has actually done as far as getting ESPN to help out UConn? Even in this latest ACC expansion, ESPN is controlling everything and UConn is not even mentioned.

Apparently he reached out to them and indicated that we'd be appreciative of anything they can do to help us get in a, then, P5 conference. That was a while ago though.

What I was referring to is his public commitment to keep Connecticut adequately funded to remain at the highest levels of competition regardless of our conference affiliation. That's a big statement. Of course, it's only good as long as he wants it to be.

 

[JohnFSilver]

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Im with you man. I can appreciate people on this board wanting to be optimistic but UConn athletics has been one of the biggest financial failure in all of college sports. I’m not talking about our performance on the field/court but just in terms of how much we’ve invested vs gotten in return. No matter what anyone on this board says, you cannot continue to support a nationally-relevant athletics program on $7M a year for the long term. Just doesn’t happen. Something has to give and I fear that we’re only years away from the football program shutting down.

People can call me a doomer or whatever but this has been the worst 3 month period possible for our athletics program. There’s literally not a single thing that could have gone worse for us.

Here is the problem. U shut football down, then why is any other state school supporting football, and what do you do when you are still with a large deficit.

UConn’s issue isn’t expenses. UConn’s problem is unlocking its revenue potential.

We always tend to think there is waste going on and that we can trim fat off orograms.

U can do that, but I would argue that UConn’s problems aren’t operational, they are revenue based.

 

[Rufus]

Why can't the ACC basketball schools flex their power this time (like FSU and Clemson did last time on Louisville) and insist on UConn instead of SMU in order to get their vote?

Because SMU is paying for the additions of Cal and Stanford by forgoing any media rights payouts for 7 years. The SMU boosters are paying to run the athletic department at SMU for the next 7 years.

If UConn would forgo any media rights payouts for 7 years and rely on the UConn boosters to fund the athletic department during that time, I'm sure the ACC would be interested.

These additions will cost the ACC money once all three are full members after the 7 year buy-in period. That's why adding these teams shows the ACC knows it will inevitably lose teams down the road.

 

[ramses 2.0]

Yeah, I'm not necessarily faulting them. They know the merry go round ends in 2036.

There's is just zero way that Stanford, Cal, or SMU would help them negotiate a better media deal in 2036 than UConn... while not being a total geographical albatross.

But, like you said, it isn't about that..it's about adding another $25-$30M per team over the next ~7 or so years and figuring out a new way of life when the GOR expires.

I agree 100@% on Cal but Stanford had a great 10 year run playing in 5 CFP level bowls,winning 4& finished ranked in the top 10 5 times. Now can they replicate that in the NIL/Portal era is in question. SMU on the other side will likely thrive in the NIL/Portal era & coming for free doesn't hurt either.

 

[Hoophound]

Here is the problem. U shut football down, then why is any other state school supporting football, and what do you do when you are still with a large deficit.

UConn’s issue isn’t expenses. UConn’s problem is unlocking its revenue potential.

We always tend to think there is waste going on and that we can trim fat off orograms.

U can do that, but I would argue that UConn’s problems aren’t operational, they are revenue based.

This. We do more with less than any other school and it isn’t even close.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I agree 100@% on Cal but Stanford had a great 10 year run playing in 5 CFP level bowls,winning 4& finished ranked in the top 10 5 times. Now can they replicate that in the NIL/Portal era is in question. SMU on the other side will likely thrive in the NIL/Portal era & coming for free doesn't hurt either.

It's not so much a knock on the Stanford football program but more so do they move the needle particularly in a league on the opposite coast? They are a last minute money grab from the ACC from getting a conference slate of UNLV, Wyoming and Boise.

 

[ramses 2.0]

It's not so much a knock on the Stanford football program but more so do they move the needle particularly in a league on the opposite coast? They are a last minute money grab from the ACC from getting a conference slate of UNLV, Wyoming and Boise.

Don't get me wrong this is what it is. But I will say these are schools UNC might stay attached to long term even if FSU/CLE leave

 

[Ha Who]

Because SMU is paying for the additions of Cal and Stanford by forgoing any media rights payouts for 7 years. The SMU boosters are paying to run the athletic department at SMU for the next 7 years.

If UConn would forgo any media rights payouts for 7 years and rely on the UConn boosters to fund the athletic department during that time, I'm sure the ACC would be interested.

These additions will cost the ACC money once all three are full members after the 7 year buy-in period. That's why adding these teams shows the ACC knows it will inevitably lose teams down the road.

Could you explain the difference between what the SMU boosters are offering versus the current deficit that is being run by us?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Don't get me wrong this is what it is. But I will say these are schools UNC might stay attached to long term even if FSU/CLE leave

Perhaps. I tend to think at minimum the football centric and/or classic ACC teams breakaway and do their own thing come the end of the GOR. Could be some head to the Big12...the B1G and SEC seem pretty tapped for capacity at this point.

I suspect that'll leave a void for a football playing home for the ex BE teams. Maybe an opportunity to reconstitute an eastern football league.

 

[ramses 2.0]

Perhaps. I tend to think at minimum the football centric and/or classic ACC teams breakaway and do their own thing come the end of the GOR. Could be some head to the Big12...the B1G and SEC seem pretty tapped for capacity at this point.

I suspect that'll leave a void for a football playing home for the ex BE teams. Maybe an opportunity to reconstitute an eastern football league.

It all depends on what moves are made down the road. What guaranteed cut of the the expanded CFP the ACC gets & how the conference distrubutes those funds are key. Also down the road the Big 2 are going push for more money from the NCAA & are going to need support from the ACC,B12, Big East to make that happen IMO

 

[TheCatsLair]

Nobody is poaching The Big 12. All the teams are there because they have nowhere better to go. The final move will be the B1G and SEC tearing The ACC apart and a bunch of the leftovers merging with The Big 12. The ACC is officially on the clock.

And truthfully being on the third best and highest paid conference is a great place to be.