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temery said:
Anyone who thinks a conference covering the east and west coast, northeast to southwest, has no understanding of what is a realistic long term solution.

Until teleportation is a thing, no conference has a future with that amount of travel.
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That was my argument when the ACC added Syracuse and BC (from Florida to the frozen north)....and, lately, the Big Ten stretched from the Pacific to Maryland and New Jersey...
 
billybud said:
That was my argument when the ACC added Syracuse and BC (from Florida to the frozen north)....and, lately, the Big Ten stretched from the Pacific to Maryland and New Jersey...
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East coast travel is far easier than cross country. It's 2-3 hours from the frozen north to south Florida and it's all in the same time zone. Plus there's a ton of flights which is convenient.
 
temery said:
Anyone who thinks a conference covering the east and west coast, northeast to southwest, has no understanding of what is a realistic long term solution.

Until teleportation is a thing, no conference has a future with that amount of travel.
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Did I argue for Stan and Cal?

All I said is that anyone suggesting Tulane would get laughed out of an ACC meeting. It’s the equivalent of adding another Wake Forest, the 15th most valuable ACC member.
 
Vowelguy said:
Did I argue for Stan and Cal?

All I said is that anyone suggesting Tulane would get laughed out of an ACC meeting. It’s the equivalent of adding another Wake Forest, the 15th most valuable ACC member.
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WF the 15th most valuable? Syracuse and BC are vying for that distinction...
 
From that link earlier in the week, Wake Forest was at the bottom of the ACC earning $407m in revenue from 2017-2021. Georgia Tech and BC were next at $410m and $425m. Syracuse was at $462m, above NC State and a bunch of BXII schools.
 
smu is attractive to the acc because they know they are coming in from a very solid conference (aac)

uconn has no appeal to the acc because they can already schedule them as their body bag homecoming game.
 
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SMU being in Dallas is what makes sense for the ACCN. When the B12 GOR’s expires and if the B1G and SEC expand they will poach the B12 and the ACC will get the leftovers again. TCU, TT and OK St could all end up in the ACC.
 
NE Football said:
SMU being in Dallas is what makes sense for the ACCN. When the B12 GOR’s expires and if the B1G and SEC expand they will poach the B12 and the ACC will get the leftovers again. TCU, TT and OK St could all end up in the ACC.
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Nobody is poaching The Big 12. All the teams are there because they have nowhere better to go. The final move will be the B1G and SEC tearing The ACC apart and a bunch of the leftovers merging with The Big 12. The ACC is officially on the clock.
 
Ldandy said:
Nobody is poaching The Big 12. All the teams are there because they have nowhere better to go. The final move will be the B1G and SEC tearing The ACC apart and a bunch of the leftovers merging with The Big 12. The ACC is officially on the clock.
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I hope so....but I fear that the sand in my hour glass will be drained first.
 
Ldandy said:
Nobody is poaching The Big 12. All the teams are there because they have nowhere better to go. The final move will be the B1G and SEC tearing The ACC apart and a bunch of the leftovers merging with The Big 12. The ACC is officially on the clock.
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Poor ACC! Dead man walking and doesn't even know it. Should someone tell them or something?
 
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NE Football said:
SMU being in Dallas is what makes sense for the ACCN. When the B12 GOR’s expires and if the B1G and SEC expand they will poach the B12 and the ACC will get the leftovers again. TCU, TT and OK St could all end up in the ACC.
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If Kansas wins a national title or two in football between now and when the B-12's GOR expires they'll have a very good shot. Otherwise, nobody's getting any offers.
 
It depends on if the B1G wants to expand to Arizona, Texas and other big markets. ASU, TCU, Utah, CU if they turn things around, KU could all draw interest from the B1G.

In 2036 the ACC will probably lose members to both the B1G and the SEC. How many depends on how many teams the B1G and the SEC want to grow to. Whatever teams are left over from the B12 and the ACC will be together in one conference. That conference is probably going to be the ACC because of timing of the GOR and because the ACC has the ACCN.
 
NE Football said:
It depends on if the B1G wants to expand to Arizona, Texas and other big markets. ASU, TCU, Utah, CU if they turn things around, KU could all draw interest from the B1G.

In 2036 the ACC will probably lose members to both the B1G and the SEC. How many depends on how many teams the B1G and the SEC want to grow to. Whatever teams are left over from the B12 and the ACC will be together in one conference. That conference is probably going to be the ACC because of timing of the GOR and because the ACC has the ACCN.
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But also a 12-team conference in the EST under contract with a partial ND is going to be easier to backfill than a 20-team conference that thought Utah/BYU was a solid move in 2023.
 
Ldandy said:
Nobody is poaching The Big 12. All the teams are there because they have nowhere better to go. The final move will be the B1G and SEC tearing The ACC apart and a bunch of the leftovers merging with The Big 12. The ACC is officially on the clock.
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Agree but I'm trying to wrap my head around a ACC-Big12 merger.

If the B12 adds the Pac12 last 4, they're up to 20 members.

Say the ACC loses its top 4 teams. Or top 6.

The B12 adds 8 more or 10 more?

Can you imagine a 30 team conference?
 
30 is too many, which means that if the XII takes these four then multiple ACC schools AND UConn will be locked out when the ACC is picked apart in a few years.
 
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The ACC will eventually lose FSU and Clemson, and maybe UNC and UVA. When it all hits the fan, I hope to see my two schools (UConn and SMU) in the ACC together.
 
NE Football said:
It depends on if the B1G wants to expand to Arizona, Texas and other big markets. ASU, TCU, Utah, CU if they turn things around, KU could all draw interest from the B1G.

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None of those schools is bringing $70m/year.
 
Vowelguy said:
None of those schools is bringing $70m/year.
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If the ACC had 4+ schools worth $70m, they’d have a better contract today. I expect a major shakeup in the whole industry in the next 6 years. Money will be either found somewhere else, or a contraction bloodbath will occur.
 
JeepCSC said:
If the ACC had 4+ schools worth $70m, they’d have a better contract today. I expect a major shakeup in the whole industry in the next 6 years. Money will be either found somewhere else, or a contraction bloodbath will occur.
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The $70m that Clemson, Florida St and UNC are worth is offset by the $10m that BC, WF and Syracuse are worth.
 
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XStorrsion said:
30 is too many, which means that if the XII takes these four then multiple ACC schools AND UConn will be locked out when the ACC is picked apart in a few years.
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30 controls a good part of the country. 10 teams in west, 10 teams in Midwest and 10 teams in east
 
Exactly this ⬆️

20,22,24 could all probably work but there is certainly an ideal max and 30 is likely well over it. Especially when it's 30 in the 3rd best conference. Best case XII has 6-8 ranked football teams each year. That leaves a lot of unranked content that isn't paying for 30 schools. Iowa State at Washington State @ 10PM on a Friday night is not exactly must see TV.

If XII were to go to 20 now, there's probably only 4 seats left at the XII table (5 if KU is poached by B1G). UConn would have to beat out multiple ACC leftovers to get to that 4/5.
 
XStorrsion said:
Exactly this ⬆️

20,22,24 could all probably work but there is certainly an ideal max and 30 is likely well over it. Especially when it's 30 in the 3rd best conference. Best case XII has 6-8 ranked football teams each year. That leaves a lot of unranked content that isn't paying for 30 schools. Iowa State at Washington State @ 10PM on a Friday night is not exactly must see TV.

If XII were to go to 20 now, there's probably only 4 seats left at the XII table (5 if KU is poached by B1G). UConn would have to beat out multiple ACC leftovers to get to that 4/5.
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And we all know that won't happen. They will take the ACC leftovers before UConn, just like they took the PAC 12 schools.
 
JeepCSC said:
There is not enough money to feed that many teams unless you have a lot of really valuable programs. At some point the law of diminishing returns kicks in.
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XStorrsion said:
Exactly this ⬆️

20,22,24 could all probably work but there is certainly an ideal max and 30 is likely well over it. Especially when it's 30 in the 3rd best conference. Best case XII has 6-8 ranked football teams each year. That leaves a lot of unranked content that isn't paying for 30 schools. Iowa State at Washington State @ 10PM on a Friday night is not exactly must see TV.

If XII were to go to 20 now, there's probably only 4 seats left at the XII table (5 if KU is poached by B1G). UConn would have to beat out multiple ACC leftovers to get to that 4/5.
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It's even below 24. One of the people who understands the media deals said that even the 18-20 range is diminishing returns for the media companies. There is less of the content they want and more of what they don't want. People talking about 2 or even just 3 leagues are not facing reality. The 2 giant super leagues can happen, but not until football splits off. They have to weed out the schools in conference that they don't want and grab others not in the top two now.
 
Not every conference will be the same size. It will depend on what teams can be added to each conference that either equals or increases the average payout to all other conference members. If the B1G goes to 20 or 24, it doesn't mean the SEC or Big 12 will do the same, or vice versa. It just depends on the value each individual school will bring to the conference.
 
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