ACC expansion

[PNolanFan]

I know alot of people in my life are down on the most recent expansion. I have spoken to many that wanted to go to the Big 12, I was never a fan of that move if it came up. However the dissolution of the PAC-12 to me feels like a good move for our future, especially if Stanford and Cal make it to the ACC. I personally think that it is inevitable that Clemson, Miami and FSU along with probably UNC and UVA make it to the big 12 and/or SEC to round those conferences up to 18 or 20 or whatever nonsense number it ends up being.

When that inevitably happens you will basically be left with the perfect conference for us and I happen to think that we would be at the top of their list of invites. At this point the conference could potentially be the following
BC, Duke, Georgia tech, Louisville, NC state, Pitt, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, wake, Stanford, Cal, and then maybe they add us, usf and memphis to get to 14. Who knows how this plays out but I would think that conference is a great balance of good basketball, teams I care about and enough football to keep the team from losing too much money and being on television. I am wondering what everyone else's thoughts are on the latest round though as well as our potential best long term landing spot.

 

[Khal Drogo]

I think you’re right. Although NC might stay. There are no top football schools that available for the ACC. They have to accept that. Can you imagine if ACC looked to add UConn right now. FSU would go bonkers.

In my opinion they should take UConn and go after Kansas so they can claim that they are the top basketball conference. They’re football can still get close to Big 10 level. SEC will always be 1. Also ACC needs to keep B 12 from getting UConn.

 

[MJ1]

You would need a powerhouse football team to get a good payday. The networks are not paying big dollars for the group listed there.They would not be considered a power conference compared to the Big 10 and SEC. They would be a distance 4th behind Big 12. Although good Basketball conference and better money than the current dollars.

 

[DblCrossbar]

You would need a powerhouse football team to get a good payday. The networks are not paying big dollars for the group listed there.They would not be considered a power conference compared to the Big 10 and SEC. They would be a distance 4th behind Big 12. Although good Basketball conference and better money than the current dollars.

In the strictest form of the definition, the ACC would still be considered a "power conference" so long as they have an automatic invite to the football playoff system.

 

[Khal Drogo]

In the strictest form of the definition, the ACC would still be considered a "power conference" so long as they have an automatic invite to the football playoff system.

Clemson is top 5 program last 10 years. FSU looking good for next year with returnees from 10 win season and top recruiting class.

 

[UConnRock]

That all looks good until the B-12 comes in and wants to go to 20+ teams and have 10 or 11 team East and West divisions. They will have their pick of ACC teams to fill out the conference. Pitt and WVU renew rivalry, Louisville goes to where they belong. UConn would again be waiting to see if they are the last team chosen. This scenario would be fully dependent on whether the B-12 wants a basketball presence with Duke and UConn or go all football

 

[Khal Drogo]

That all looks good until the B-12 comes in and wants to go to 20+ teams and have 10 or 11 team East and West divisions. They will have their pick of ACC teams to fill out the conference. Pitt and WVU renew rivalry, Louisville goes to where they belong. UConn would again be waiting to see if they are the last team chosen. This scenario would be fully dependent on whether the B-12 wants a basketball presence with Duke and UConn or go all football

Need the ACC GOR to hold so B 12 doesn’t go after ACC second tier schools. Ok if FSU leaves and tries to litigate. Will know by 08-15

 

[HuskyHawk]

Need the ACC GOR to hold so B 12 doesn’t go after ACC second tier schools. Ok if FSU leaves and tries to litigate. Will know by 08-15

It's going to hold. ACC passes the Big 12 in payout in 2026. Nobody is going to jump from the ACC to the Big 12. That would be insane.

 

[UConnJim]

It's going to hold. ACC passes the Big 12 in payout in 2026. Nobody is going to jump from the ACC to the Big 12. That would be insane.

If the GORs is somehow broken, I would think Louisville and Pitt would go to the Big 12 as the ACC could be hit with key defections. Better to be first off of a sinking boat than finding out there are no more lifeboats.

 

[Fishy]

The GOR will hold.

And if it doesn’t, in the mad scramble that follows, Wake Forest has a better chance of ending up in the Big East than we do ending up somewhere else.

 

[Tfoyle]

Honestly, it would make more sense for Stanford/Cal to go independent in Football and join the big East with the zags then join the acc. 5 schools west of Ville / ND, I bet Stanford/Cal have a good alumni based in the Northeast and Uconn would have two more Indy partners

 

[Stinger92860]

Beat NC State!

 

[Rufus]

It's going to hold. ACC passes the Big 12 in payout in 2026. Nobody is going to jump from the ACC to the Big 12. That would be insane.

If FSU finds a way out, Clemson, Miami, etc. are not far behind.

I think FSU is just going to do it. Consequences be damned.

 

[HuskyHawk]

If the GORs is somehow broken, I would think Louisville and Pitt would go to the Big 12 as the ACC could be hit with key defections. Better to be first off of a sinking boat than finding out there are no more lifeboats.

Maybe, but if the GOR is broken (and by that I mean FSU doesn't have JP Morgan pay $400M to get out of it) then it's chaos. Right now, real time chaos. Without those GORs, the media companies are not paying what they are paying. Big XII wouldn't get the deal they did. SEC doesn't have one, because nobody wants to leave.

Much more likely it holds, nobody leaves and by the time it is coming up, things have changed a lot.

 

[BlueandOG]

The GOR will hold. ACC can sit tight for the time being. This is good for us. It give us time to improve football before the GOR ends and the vultures pick the ACC carcass.

 

[NE Football]

That all depends on what the next TV contracts look like.

 

[XOVERX]

If the ACC adds Stanford and Cal, and now there’s talk SMU would join and forego any conference payout for several years, there’s a reasonable chance the ACC would add another school to get to 18 for scheduling purposes.

 

[noeynox]

If the ACC adds Stanford and Cal, and now there’s talk SMU would join and forego any conference payout for several years, there’s a reasonable chance the ACC would add another school to get to 18 for scheduling purposes.

I beg of you. Don't do this to yourself.

 

[Mora4Prez]

The ACC passing on us to take Cal is a horrific look for UConn.

 

[UConnJim]

I think the reason the ACC would add Stanford/Cal/SMU is the ACC Network. Although we all think streaming is where sports are going, that is not happening overnight. Thus, adding a school in Texas and 2 in California could pay for themselves just by increasing the carriage rate for the ACCN in the cable bundle. And, if a school like SMU will take a low payout, that's more money for the restless football schools. LT, this will prove to be a very bad decision.

 

[CTBballfan243]

UMass has been rumored to be the 4th team for ACC expansion with Cal, Stanford, and SMU. UMass is seen as a good fit for the ACC because they with help lock down the Massachusetts and New England market while at the same time they won’t be a threat to BC’s Chestnut Hill market. BC’s AD allegedly stated that they(BC) own Chestnut Hill, and no one was going to infringe on their turf.

 

[Tfoyle]

So now smu is better then uconn.

 

[noeynox]

So now smu is better then uconn.

The damage they did by bringing back Edsall on the cheap and letting him stay as long as he did apparently caused irreparable damage. For all the flowers we throw at Benedict, he can't distance himself from that one. And the romantic dalliance with Mora at his home, doesn't really make things look better. We look like a program always trying to mend football on the cheap vs programs we are trying to compete against to get into a P5.

 

[Kolumbo]

The ACC passing on us to take Cal is a horrific look for UConn.

Nah, it would be a horrific look for the ACC, which probably knows better by now.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

The GOR will hold. ACC can sit tight for the time being. This is good for us. It give us time to improve football before the GOR ends and the vultures pick the ACC carcass.

I think the opposite - if FSU and Clemson vote to add SMU, they're likely doing so as a trojan horse to get out of the GOR now. They know SMU is a total embarrassment to the conference.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The only reason moving to the ACC would make sense for us would be for the additional media revenue. If we join at such a discount where the increase would be negligible, it wouldn't make a lot of sense.

SMU has an advantage in that they have donors who would be both willing and able to underwrite the lack of revenues, we aren't in that position.

I also still have a strong desire to get to where we are above all ACC schools as an athletic program and tell them to kiss our backside if they finally come around as extend an invitation.

 

[djct1999]

The only reason moving to the ACC would make sense for us would be for the additional media revenue. If we join at such a discount where the increase would be negligible, it wouldn't make a lot of sense.

SMU has an advantage in that they have donors who would be both willing and able to underwrite the lack of revenues, we aren't in that position.

I also still have a strong desire to get to where we are above all ACC schools as an athletic program and tell them to kiss our backside if they finally come around as extend an invitation.

The same can be said for the big 12. First, we need a seat anywhere. Then we aspire to be part of the P2.

 

[giddyup]

Big money greed is parasitical. It infiltrates its host and its uncontrolled appetite eats away at the very thing it feeds upon until it leaves a dead mutilated carcass. College sports is slowly being eaten alive by wiseguys who care for nothing but how they get more and screw the rest.

 

[Dizzy21]

So now smu is better then uconn.

Texas is better than Connecticut for everything that matters here. Having access to recruiting and a large population that is interested in college football = money, better recruits, and better media contracts in the future for ACC teams.

 

[Khal Drogo]

The same can be said for the big 12. First, we need a seat anywhere. Then we aspire to be part of the

If we get a b12 invite it will be a disaster for BC and Syracuse athletics.