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Big Skidmark, truer words have never been typed in the anals (sic) of sports conferences. PC, St. John's, DePaul, Houston, San Diego State, Boise CC, what a dump!
ACC/ESPN joining the scheduling fun, happy days for Cuse
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UMD and UVA qualify as Mid-Atlantic. Pitt is right by or in the Midwest. So that leaves the ACC with two teams in the true Northeast.
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ESPN the good corporate neighbor . . . how about exerting some influence and taking Connecticut along with you into the ACC.
Let's aim for the B1G. We're stuck where we are for a while, anyway. If the Big 12 remains intact, I still think the Big 12 would be a better option.
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All we need is to have a 10-1 "dream season" with a top 15 finish in the polls and the Big 10 will take notice. Promise them 1 November game at Yankee Stadium per year and the expansion of the Rent. We just need a top flight QB in order for this to happen.
One thing about UConn that helps us on the offensive line is academics. They tend to be the most intelligent people on a football team. We've proven to attract and develop quality offensive linemen over the past several years. Now if we can get a consistent flow of top-flight QBs, we'll probably be made. Exhibit A: Dan Orlovsky.
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On the other hand, Syracuse fans will have a football lineup of Pitt, BC, Maryland, Florida State, Clemson, NC State and cross-over games on a rotating basis against Miami, Va Tech and Ga Tech.
Compare that schedule to Cinci, South Florida, UConn, Rutgers, and Louisville. Syracuse is going to draw an extra 5,000+ just based on the quality of opponent. And when Duke and North Carolina come to the Dome, well it won't be UConn, but I fully expect that we can build some rivalries there and draw just fine, thank you. Even the mid-tier ACC teams are better basketball draws than a large part of the Big East lineup.
Plus, Providence has been screwing Syracuse in the schedule for years and years, using us as a draw for other teams for Saturday games, while giving local fans teams like Providence or DePaul or South Florida for way too many home Saturday games.
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This is why you don't get why SU and Pitt were invited over UConn (DeFillipo, notwithstanding). It's about BRANDS. It's not about the academic consortiums (though that is nice window dresssing ...), it's not even about geographic proximity anymore, at least at the highest level. It's about brand. And I'm sorry but Houston, SMU and Boise might be really good football teams, but they aren't going to create instant rivalries, they aren't going to sell tickets as well as you're hoping they do, and they don't really appeal to the "uncommitted" fan for his viewing time. They are not going to really create a competitive TV package, in the long run.
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I've heard this before.... Where was it? Oh, BC, that was it. Heard all about the spike in attendance they'd get by playing the likes of the ACC. It sounded good and logical. Didn't end up being factual, but it sounded good.
Don't get it twisted, majority of us would trade places w/ SU or Pitt in a heart beat, and all of us (except for maybe 2 posters) want to get out of this 10 car pile up of a conference, but everything you just typed matches what BC fans typed before their move. They didn't get the spike in attendance or ratings they fantasizes about, only a fatter pay check from their conference. Which is nice.
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Syracuse football is in real jeapardy of becoming Indiana or Washington State or Vandy. The ACC was an opportune move for Syracuse and made available largely because the Orange were left at the alter after the first raid. But, Syracuse needs to develop players and win football games and it's going on the better part of a decade since they have done so. Orange fans that think this ACC move is a silver bullet need only look to Chestnut Hill to see what happens when programs are poorly run.....even in the ACC.
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Cuse was invited because of the way you were left at the alter and BC likes having more private schools in the ACC mix. Pitt was an afterthought. Syracuse is a brand in basketball, but not in football. Your USC game drew the smallest crowd in the last decade to the Coliseum. Of course you guys do own the critical Buffalo market. First BC screws up the Big East, now they are doing a job on the ACC. No wonder Clemson and FSU are getting itchy.
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While I agree, that leadership in Providence has screwed football playing schools for years, I'm quite sure they're done doing that. Too bad Cuse is gone to have that happen. Would have loved to have the same kind of thing going in football that exists in basketball, and it was beginning.
Good luck getting up for your new conference football games. Not quite sure how you figure to play everybody at home every year though, and not quite sure how you expect to be helping any of them on the road with football attendance. As for basketball in the dome, same luck wishes....and same things I'm not quite sure about.
But lastly, enjoy playing your b-ball tournament in Greensboro, NC.
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I think you need to seriously re-evaluate what you're saying and match it up to facts and history and previous events on which to model. Syracuse is in big trouble. Pittsburgh, not as much, because they've got definite ties to ACC country through the Virginia's and Maryland.
Syracuse left the Big East for a guaranteed pay check. What Syracuse has traded for that guaranteed pay check, in my opinion, far outweighs what they've given up. THere's a very good chance, that come 2014, Big East football and basketball schools will be making broadcasting money on par with what the ACC will be able Syracuse. There's a good chance that Big East football and basketball schools will be making more. none of that is guaranteed though. Cuse is guaranteed to get the money that other ACC teams will get, for selling their entire souls to ESPN for the next quarter century.
It would not shock me in the least that whoever gets the new big east inventory contracts would push for exclusive rights to all tiers of broadcasting. It would not shock me in the least, that the big east refuses to farm out all broadcasting tiers of all inventory to a single company, and ends up with more broadcasting freedom and revenue growth potential for the future. I'm very happy with continuing the basketball postseason in New York City, and bringing a college football conference championship game back to NYC, in addition to the bowl game.
Seriously, the more time that passes, adn the more dust that settles, it's the ultimate irony that Boston College was instrumental in blocking the ACC from inviting Cuse and UConn. I believe that we would have gone with Cuse. I believe it would have damaged the integrity of the big east conference beyond repair and the conference would have folded operation as a football conference by 2014.
THe big east is going to be fine people. Just fine. It was the first major basketball conference in the country, and it is now the first major national football conference too.
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I will take you up on this bet that the ACC makes more. Any dollar amount. Name it, address, charity, pick it. Your choice.
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Syracuse Football - Where the Carrier Dome doesn't impress recruits anymore and the weather still sucks.
Best of luck in the ACC. Yes, I am envious and bitter about it.
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The difference between Syracuse and BC was that we had actually been champions before. We have drawn 50,,000. We have beaten top 10 teams. We alone in our conference have the courage to schedule them, and we do, every year. You program will never have a victory like we had before over 100,000 at Michigan on national TV. You will never play and beat elite national programs, like we have done for 60 years. Sure, we've sucked for Greg Robinson's years, and Marrone has only shown himself to be a .500 coach so far. We'll see how much higher his ceiling might be.
Your program never appreciated that football is a sport of long tradition, kind of like baseball. Your quick success with the basketball programs made you think that football works the same way, but it doesn't. You have built very a successful football program so far, but you're still just a toddler of a program. Now, a Conference USA on steriods may work really well for where your football program is at. The money should be reasonably good.
But don't worry about SU losing money on this move to the ACC. We've got real fans, unlike BC. You've probably heard them at every other team's venue when we're on TV.
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We played before over 100,000 at Michigan. We beat Florida, Miami, Va Tech, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Colorado, Ohio State, Penn State. Will your team ever give you memories like that ? More to come, baby. Risk not, lest ye dream !
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Despite your belief to the contrary, when you are correct I am happy to acknowledge it. This is correct.
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Unbelievable. Are you saying Syracuse has more of a football history than UConn? Wow. What a brilliant conclusion.
But are you massively overstating the last decade? You do know, right, that in just a few years in I-A, we've played at the Big House in front of a bigger crowd than you, beaten Notre Dame in South Bend, beaten South Carolina in SEC country and won twice at Big XII venues? While you've done exactly what?
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Many on your board have found that irrelevant, because we've been in a down cycle for a decade. But they forget that your program is only a decade old. When your fan base has been around for generations, then you view things like rivalry and tradition differently.
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And you guys will never be more than a steppingstone program in the Atlantic 10 of Football.
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Yeah, we beat Notre Dame there too, and also in the Dome. And we've beaten Auburn and then played them a triple overtime game down there, in SEC country, and yes in the last 10 years.
One thing you can't deny, we still schedule like we are the flagship football team in the conference. The rest of you could take a cue of from us, the last couple seasons notwithstanding.
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Just leave. You aren't wanted here.
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UConn has scheduled pretty well so far and in the future as well, Matt, c'mon. This isn't Rutgers.
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Yes, you guys stepped up the last few years. But if you look at out-of-conference scheduling since 2003, SU regularly plays more BCS teams than anyone else in the conference. We only stepped down our schedule a bit (dropping the Va Tech series), because we are so loaded with teams on the schedule. What did we play, 4 Big 10 teams a few years ago in one season?
But more importantly, the real point is that following the 2006 (?) bell-weather season when WVU, Rutgers and Louisville were all ranked in the top 10, the next few seasons, these schools who had the chance to be the standard bearers of the new conference and move into an upper tier of college programs, all scheduled OOC games like , and played no one of note, other than WVU. Then, Louisville lost Petrino, WVU lost Rich Rodriguez and Rutgers was stuck with Schiano and playing teams like the Coastal Academy and Howard University to remain bowl eligible.
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Same old from an Orange fan. Doesn't matter what's happened on the field for the last decade, they can always recall when Jim Brown and Ernie Davis ran up and down the field. Note to Orange fans from the newbies - you win college football games by controlling the line of scrimmage. Your program has not put solid lines on the field in over a decade which is why new programs like UCONN physically beat the crap out of you season after season. I don't see the Orange fixing that little problem anytime soon btw.
Honest to god, if you just look what takes place on the field maybe you'ld learn something about football.
Oh, and recent history has already shown that when the Orange lose the Carrier Dome goes empty. Syracuse better start winning football games on a regular basis or their future will look much like Indiana's only in the ACC.
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What a great argument technique. Instead of defending your post from being rationally criticized, your response is to say we have fans who don't get it (which, to some degree, is true by the way). And then you have the balls to say I'm overly harsh criticizing your posts? Time for you to go home.
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