ACC, Big Ten...you've chosen poorly

[CL82]

28 thousand is pathetic. PATHETIC. The Big ten laughs at that.

Perhaps, but the nation laughs at Rutgers, and has for years. But tradition is big in sports, so at least you have that going for you.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

I think you are confusing UCONN's football attendance with Rutgers. Why bring up attendance when UCONN isn't even out of the 20's?

Sorry, not going to work if you're pointing out football attendance, where RU was 9th out of 14 in the Big Ten.

2015 Season
Rutgers attendance - 47,723
UCONN attendance - 28,224

Also, Rutgers basketball averaged 5,770 last year, in the last full year stats were available.....a few more than 1,000 but I know none of this sports your anti-Rutgers narrative.

Dave,
Seton Hall had a better AD than you, but they don't play football. Your the Clampetts, Dave. You have a sh!thouse of an AD that sat on a pile of oil.

 

[CTMike]

Mainline, did you really come here to trumpet the fact that a B1G schedule draws more than an AAC one? Like this is some sort of revelation? If we traded schedules, how do you think that would go?

 

[DarthGrumpy]

The recruiting thing doesn't even apply to UNJ.

The big10 was already recruiting there with ease. You can make that argument about how the AAC was constructed - recruiting, and it would fit, because that is what actually happened, but the University of New Jersey to the big 10 was about one thing, and one only.

It does to a degree. Admitting Rutgers now allows other B1G programs to score with recruits by telling them that they can play in front of Mom, Dad & friends on a regular basis in addition to Penn St and Maryland road games, which are about a 3 to 4 hour drive away from most of the state.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Louisville was the cherry on top.

Louisville, cherry, on top, just so many possibilities with those 4 word...

 

[Rocktheworld]

I am enjoying Rutgers in the Big10 very much so. Without them, we might not have gotten Jabrill Peppers and the slew of Jersey kids we are getting this year, hopefully including the #1 player Rashan Gary.

Having Rutgers in the Big10 and being, well Rutgers has allowed Michigan to gain inroads into the talent rich state. They screwed up when they didn't hire Jersey native Chris Partridge as a coach allowing Michigan to scoop him up. He has been a boon for us and Jersey recruiting. Nice never having to worry about the home town team in a talent rich state.

This. This, along with televisions, is why people who still to this day go "HURR WHAT HAS RUTGERS DONE TO DESERVE A P5 INVITE" look straight ignorant. It was never about Rutgers athletics. It was about New Jersey, Philly, and NY.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

If mainlinedave went to Rutgers, it would seem that Rutgers chose poorly.

With the name 'MainLineDave' I was thinking he was a Philadelphia area kid who could not get into Penn St (this pure hatred for that school) and went to Rutgers instead. He said; but, of course, all his answers are suspect. Based on his continued dabbles, no way he could have gotten into Rutgers either (unless as their AD or basketball coach), I'm thinking we went to Rutger-Camden or maybe Rowan.

 

[Adios]

true but i was talking in terms of money, those funds from the late 1800s are not helping

It ain't the birthplace of college football. Revisionist history by Princeton and they dragged you along. First game was McGill vs Harvard in 1874, then Harvard vs Tufts in 1875 and then Harvard vs Yale in 1875. Thank you for complimenting what a great game football is, though. Just get us into the Big Ten and we'll help strip you of that title.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

Reminds me of Indiana Jones

I wish this whole thread was flipped around and that they had chosen wisely. My blood pressure would be a lot lower (until it's game day for MBB or FB).

 

[Dooley]

Gotta love the strength of UConn Nation this weekend. 6400 for hockey against UVM on Friday night with a puck drop of 8:30pm. The next day, in a blizzard no less, a sellout for a Noon tipoff against Georgetown. Both had good atmospheres. Neither BC or RU can or would do that.

No question whatsoever that with a B1G schedule and competitive record (as we are approaching now), football wouldn't sell out and we can expand the Rent to the 55-60K range that it was designed to hold when first built.

 

[FDNY99]

Gotta love the strength of UConn Nation this weekend. 6400 for hockey against UVM on Friday night with a puck drop of 8:30pm. The next day, in a blizzard no less, a sellout for a Noon tipoff against Georgetown. Both had good atmospheres. Neither BC or RU can or would do that.

No question whatsoever that with a B1G schedule and competitive record (as we are approaching now), football wouldn't sell out and we can expand the Rent to the 55-60K range that it was designed to hold when first built.

It used to sell out in the BE...attendance rapidly declined when Hathaway hired P

 

[Eddy Hall]

Hey A s s h a t...welcome back...before you even type the word attendance in a thread on our board you should make sure you take a remedial math class. Why...you can't even read numbers properly you :
I seem to remember you denying RU EVER had a game where attendance was 500...you were wrong..it was SUB-500 for 2 games!
Attendance is in bold!
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_Rutgers_Scarlet_Knights_men's_basketball_team)

11/25/2013*
7:30 pm Stillman College
NIT Season Tip-Off Consolation Round W 116–89 4–3
The RAC (392)
Piscataway, NJ
11/26/2013*
7:30 pm Fairleigh Dickinson
NIT Season Tip-Off Consolation Round L 72–73 4–4
The RAC (466)
Piscataway, NJ

You also stated RU has a stand alone football facility...you conveniently forgot the word INDOOR...why because RU doesn't have one!
Here is the link to UConn's in case you want to know what one looks like you tool:
http://www.uconnhuskies.com/school-bio/strength-conditioning-shenkman.html
I suggest at some point you answer this..or stop posting on our board!

You should take it easy on Mainline, that 1949 fencing title Rutgers won as their lone NCAA championship might have gone to his head a little.

 

[J187Money]

There was a golden opportunity to consolidate the northeast and build awareness of college football by keeping UCONN, BC, Rutgers and Syracuse together. Yes, that's not a murderer's row of football powerhouses, but it's one hell of a market that you cover.and UCONN and Syracuse play a little hoops. Now there this market is splintered and local play is hap hazard at best. Small people like DeFelippo are largely to blame for this mess. Sure, BC and Rutgers can feel good about the checks, but in terms of fan experience it's a disaster. And yes, football drives the duck*ing bus, but when you're getting men's basketball crowds in the hundreds...holy crap is it broken. Football will follow if there is not success and with BC you have a fan base that at its best is fickle. This little gem is just priceless: "Although there is still more than a month remaining in the basketball regular season, BC and Rutgers are on course to finish with a combined record of 1-49 in football and basketball."

I didn't think that could possibly be true. And then I looked at the standings. LMFAO.

 

[billybud]

Wes Durham, "voice of the ACC", stated on WRAL talk radio that he thought conferences would go to 16 teams...that the ACC would not get a network channel..etc. Not a "key" but he does have a lot of inside contact.

It is too much to wade through to get the nuggets...he discusses SEC payout, the flack he expects from ACC coaches re the recruiting advantages of a network. About FSU's BOT interest.

He thinks the conferences expand to 16, Notre Dame joins a conference, that if the ACC gets a network it will be some hybrid and not a dedicated channel, talks about a rights fee bump for the ACC ($3 million a team now) possibly in lieu.

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/colleges/audio/15254519/

 

[B1GOSU]

Rutgers doesn't have to be good. In fact, it benefits the rest of the B1G if Rutgers is bad. NJ recruits will be more likely to sign with another B1G school if Rutgers is bad. Adding Rutgers brought $$$$ and recruits into the B1G footprint and is in the AAU on top of that. Having BTN on the TV sets in NJ means the NJ top recruits can go to other B1G schools and have pretty much every game available on TV/internet for their families to watch back home and will allow for away games to be played in NJ in front of said families. So Rutgers can finish in last place in every sport every year and it won't matter.

Now Boston College didn't bring $$$ or recruits to the ACC.

 

[FDNY99]

Rutgers doesn't have to be good. In fact, it benefits the rest of the B1G if Rutgers is bad. NJ recruits will be more likely to sign with another B1G school if Rutgers is bad. Adding Rutgers brought $$$$ and recruits into the B1G footprint and is in the AAU on top of that. Having BTN on the TV sets in NJ means the NJ top recruits can go to other B1G schools and have pretty much every game available on TV/internet for their families to watch back home and will allow for away games to be played in NJ in front of said families. So Rutgers can finish in last place in every sport every year and it won't matter.

Now Boston College didn't bring $$$ or recruits to the ACC.

Nope...just an open palm for the ACC to put their piece of the $$ pie into...LOL

 

[Ldandy]

Rutgers doesn't have to be good. In fact, it benefits the rest of the B1G if Rutgers is bad. NJ recruits will be more likely to sign with another B1G school if Rutgers is bad. Adding Rutgers brought $$$$ and recruits into the B1G footprint and is in the AAU on top of that. Having BTN on the TV sets in NJ means the NJ top recruits can go to other B1G schools and have pretty much every game available on TV/internet for their families to watch back home and will allow for away games to be played in NJ in front of said families. So Rutgers can finish in last place in every sport every year and it won't matter.

Now Boston College didn't bring $$$ or recruits to the ACC.

Somehow everybody in the universe can see this but Rutgers Fans.

 

[billybud]

Recruiting is still fairly regional...Penn State has 21 kids on the roster from New Jersey/NY.

That's more than the 14 that FSU (4) and Miami (10) combined have......neither Florida school really recruits the northeast as a primary area.

Virginia has more kids from the northeast (Pennsylvania, NY/New Jersey, Massachusetts (18) than from Florida.

But Boston College...they have 51 kids from Massachusetts, NY, NJ, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and New Hampshire (1).

 

[mavblues]

On a semi-related note, I see our #2 rated football recruit de-committed and went on a visit to Rutgers...

 

[dayooper]

Recruiting is still fairly regional...Penn State has 21 kids on the roster from New Jersey/NY.

That's more than the 14 that FSU (4) and Miami (10) combined have.neither Florida school really recruits the northeast as a primary area.

Virginia has more kids from the northeast (Pennsylvania, NY/New Jersey, Massachusetts (18) than from Florida.

But Boston College...they have 51 kids from Massachusetts, NY, NJ, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and New Hampshire (1).

Depends - Michigan has recruits from all over the place. In fact, they more recruits from NJ (5, with the potential for 2 more) than the entire Midwest (4, with the potential for 2 more). They have no commitments from Ohio or Illinois and only 1 from Michigan (the 2 possible recruits are from Michigan).

The big names will always recruit national, that's why they want schools in talent rich states.

 

[FDNY99]

Recruiting is still fairly regional...Penn State has 21 kids on the roster from New Jersey/NY.

That's more than the 14 that FSU (4) and Miami (10) combined have.neither Florida school really recruits the northeast as a primary area.

Virginia has more kids from the northeast (Pennsylvania, NY/New Jersey, Massachusetts (18) than from Florida.

But Boston College...they have 51 kids from Massachusetts, NY, NJ, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and New Hampshire (1).

BC has always done well in NJ..especially with the Catholic schools, they have also had good luck on LI...especially at Chaminade

 

[Ldandy]

Depends - Michigan has recruits from all over the place. In fact, they more recruits from NJ (5, with the potential for 2 more) than the entire Midwest (4, with the potential for 2 more). They have no commitments from Ohio or Illinois and only 1 from Michigan (the 2 possible recruits are from Michigan).

The big names will always recruit national, that's why they want schools in talent rich states.

I think it has more to do with available resources than anything else. Schools like Michigan and ND are not located in states blessed with tons of talent. They have to recruit nationally if they want to be on an elite level. While UM has the national profile to pull kids from outside their areas, they could never close ranks and say we're going to build a class of Michigan Kids. It could not sustain their program. OTOH schools like Miami or USC could literally recruit within the confines of the city they are located in and still field credible classes.

While Michigan has always had success in NJ, I am surprised that there has not been more emphasis in the Midwest. Historically Michigan's great teams were built on the backs of Northern Ohio Talent. Its odd to see no one from OH, and only 1 from instate. Very odd. That said Harbaugh probably has different contacts, like California and NJ Private Schools, from his days at Stanford.

 

[Ldandy]

Recruiting is still fairly regional...Penn State has 21 kids on the roster from New Jersey/NY.

That's more than the 14 that FSU (4) and Miami (10) combined have.neither Florida school really recruits the northeast as a primary area.

Virginia has more kids from the northeast (Pennsylvania, NY/New Jersey, Massachusetts (18) than from Florida.

But Boston College...they have 51 kids from Massachusetts, NY, NJ, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, and New Hampshire (1).

I'd wager that recruiting is 80-90% regional for the majority of programs. There are a handful of schools such as Michigan, ND, Duke, NW, Vandy and Stanford who have specific reasons/philosophies for shopping nationally. You also have to throw in The B1G West Division Schools, as the majority of programs are located in states with little home grown talent. If you're Minnesota or Iowa you better be recruiting Texas, Florida, Cali, GA, etc. If not you are in BIG trouble. If FSU or Miami are regularly recruiting NJ, outside of the occasional can't miss prospect, something has gone horribly wrong with their connections at home.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Historically Michigan's great teams were built on the backs of Northern Ohio Talent. Its odd to see no one from OH, and only 1 from instate. Very odd.

What Urban wants...

 

[billybud]

Depends - Michigan has recruits from all over the place. In fact, they more recruits from NJ (5, with the potential for 2 more) than the entire Midwest (4, with the potential for 2 more). They have no commitments from Ohio or Illinois and only 1 from Michigan (the 2 possible recruits are from Michigan).

The big names will always recruit national, that's why they want schools in talent rich states.

This year, out of Michigan's 24 commits, one is from Michigan. But, to be fair, that is a Harbough thing, there are 41 Michigan guys on the current roster.

But...you are right about national recruiting. Even sitting in the recruiting hot bed of Florida...FSU has recruits this year from New York, Pennsylvania, Kansas, California, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia.