ACC Big East merger

[UConnDan97]

@businesslawyer stated that part of the ACC payout to ND is due to the fact that ND is a football member. you counter saying that yes, although that is true, it is really due to olympic sports. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that ND's crappy basketball program is bringing in $17 million? Heck no. It is all about ND Football. ND Football brings home the bacon. ND football allows its olympic sports a slot in the ACC. ND's olympic sports are worth squat, certainly not more than UConn or Villanova. The point does not stand, no siree.

It's all about their football and nothing to do with their Olympic sports, right?

If that was the case... do you know how many ACC vs Notre Dame football games were aired on ESPN this past year (road games)?? One. ONE! One single game against Georgia Tech.

So if it was only about the football, then the ACC paid 17 million this year to cover a single game, making them the dumbest conference in history.

Fishy was right that this is an amazing double dip, and he was also right that you may be suffering a stroke...

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Can someone accurately break out what Notre Dame gets from the ACC for its Olympic sports (i.e. not football related, not the friends payment for being associated with the conference, etc.)? Does Notre Dame truly get more for its Olympic sports, or are people conflating these other factors?

 

[noeynox]

And unfortunately the coaching hires were PP, BD, and RE2. It's one thing to strike out three times in a row and we did it in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings while being down by multiple runs... Or, punt, punt, fumble in the 4th quarter down 10 points. We need a hail Mary followed by an on sides kick.

Those are the hires you get when the people making the decisions are the ones I mentioned.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Can someone accurately break out what Notre Dame gets from the ACC for its Olympic sports (i.e. not football related, not the friends payment for being associated with the conference, etc.)? Does Notre Dame truly get more for its Olympic sports, or are people conflating these other factors?

If you're looking for everything except football and men's & women's basketball, I don't think there is a way to fully extract that number.

We can find out what full members receive in comparison to what ND receives but from there it would be only an educated guess as to how much of that is for the football scheduling arrangement.

As all of this pertains to us, SMU basically made things far more difficult for any school to move from G level to P level by setting a precedent where a new member could be willing to join while being massively underpaid.

Our answer can only be to develop football to the point where a P level conference would want to add us out of fear that another P level conference could add us and hurt them in the process

 

[UConnDan97]

Can someone accurately break out what Notre Dame gets from the ACC for its Olympic sports (i.e. not football related, not the friends payment for being associated with the conference, etc.)? Does Notre Dame truly get more for its Olympic sports, or are people conflating these other factors?

Notre Dame receives 17 million per year for all of their Olympic sports, plus 5 games against the ACC in football scheduling (whereby their home games are covered by their own NBC contract). The ACC does not get their hockey teams since they don't have it.

If you're looking for a way to pull out the value of the 2 to 3 games that the ACC gets tv rights for in football, there's no way to do that. Most teams pay in between $300k and $2 mil to get other teams to visit their home stadium (Alabama paid Western Kentucky $1.9 million).

However, if you believe that the value of 2 home games and 3 road games (w/o tv coverage) to the ACC is worth the bulk of the $17 mil, then I've got land to sell you in the Everglades...

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

If you're looking for everything except football and men's & women's basketball, I don't think there is a way to fully extract that number.

We can find out what full members receive in comparison to what ND receives but from there it would be only an educated guess as to how much of that is for the football scheduling arrangement.

As all of this pertains to us, SMU basically made things far more difficult for any school to move from G level to P level by setting a precedent where a new member could be willing to join while being massively underpaid.

Our answer can only be to develop football to the point where a P level conference would want to add us out of fear that another P level conference could add us and hurt them in the process

Seems pretty clear SMU was added so the ACC Network could try to penetrate the D-FW/Texas market and because the ACC wasn't confident SMU could bring great ratings, they were forced to get nothing from the conference... I imagine the UConn to the Big12 potentiality will be a similar proposition, though we bring way more value to the Big12 due to our basketball/overall brand appeal so we should get more than zero if/when it happens.

 

[Kolumbo]

It's all about their football and nothing to do with their Olympic sports, right?

If that was the case... do you know how many ACC vs Notre Dame football games were aired on ESPN this past year (road games)?? One. ONE! One single game against Georgia Tech.

So if it was only about the football, then the ACC paid 17 million this year to cover a single game, making them the dumbest conference in history.

Fishy was right that this is an amazing double dip, and he was also right that you may be suffering a stroke...

The ACC teams get a ton of exposure playing ND, perhaps more so than playing on espn. Is it worth the $17 million? I don't know. But you are correct, the ACC could be the dumbest conference in history. Next to the PAC.

 

[UConnDan97]

The ACC teams get a ton of exposure playing ND, perhaps more so than playing on espn. Is it worth the $17 million? I don't know. But you are correct, the ACC could be the dumbest conference in history. Next to the PAC.

They could be. All I know is that I want a sense of justice, since I know that UConn is an elite athletic department, and we should be paid accordingly. It's not fair that crap athletic departments are getting paid much more...

 

[TerryD]

One thing missing in this discussion is that Notre Dame receives a full share of ACC Network profits, just like every other ACC member.

ND gets a partial share of the regular, base contract ACC/ESPN money, but the total number is enhanced by the full share ACC Network money.

The latest EADA filing shows that ND received around $24 million total from the ACC, representing in the whole about a half share.

ND gets no ACC money for football, unless it makes a minor bowl and that money is pooled and shared

That ACC payout of $24 million is in addition to the $50 million a year from NBC and ND's playoff money.

 

[CL82]

They could be. All I know is that I want a sense of justice, since I know that UConn is an elite athletic department, and we should be paid accordingly. It's not fair that crap athletic departments are getting paid much more...

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

One thing missing in this discussion is that Notre Dame receives a full share of ACC Network profits, just like every other ACC member.

ND gets a partial share of the regular, base contract ACC/ESPN money, but the total number is enhanced by the full share ACC Network money.

The latest EADA filing shows that ND received around $24 million total from the ACC, representing in the whole about a half share.

ND gets no ACC money for football, unless it makes a minor bowl and that money is pooled and shared

That ACC payout of $24 million is in addition to the $50 million a year from NBC and ND's playoff money.

Thanks for clarifying - I suspected no one on here had all the components of ND's revenue correctly portrayed.

 

[UConnDan97]

Thanks for clarifying - I suspected no one on here had all the components of ND's revenue correctly portrayed.

That's a lot of words to use to say that you were wrong...

(Look at Fishy's numbers and tell me how they differ, please)

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

That's a lot of words to use to say that you were wrong...

(Look at Fishy's numbers and tell me how they differ, please)

Sorry, not following you... Can you dig out where Fishy showed what Terry D did? TIA!

 

[UConnDan97]

Sorry, not following you... Can you dig out where Fishy showed what Terry D did? TIA!

His "amazing double dip" post that had all three revenue numbers. And it should have saved us a lot of time in this thread...

 

[Kolumbo]

I see where this is going. it was a typo. AAC.
16 basketball & 8 football
24 basketball & 15 football

Basketball Only
SJU
PC
Nova
SHU
Georgetown
Marquette
DePaul
Creighton
Butler
Xavier

Football & Basketball
UConn
Temple
USF
Memphis
ECU
Tulane

Football Only
Army
Navy

Uncertain
Wichita State
Charlotte
Rice
Tulsa
FAU
UAB
UNT
UTSA

 

[KryHavok]

Football & Basketball
UConn
Temple
USF
Memphis
ECU
Tulane

Mate, no, please no...Those are the same jabroni schools the uni decided they had to dissociate from. Going back would trigger the nightmares I've had where I return to one of my former companies knowing they are d00m3d (which is why I left in the first place). I'd take the PAC instead and have it stand for "Pacific And Connecticut". Man I need a drink now...

 

[CL82]

One thing missing in this discussion is that Notre Dame receives a full share of ACC Network profits, just like every other ACC member.

ND gets a partial share of the regular, base contract ACC/ESPN money, but the total number is enhanced by the full share ACC Network money.

The latest EADA filing shows that ND received around $24 million total from the ACC, representing in the whole about a half share.

ND gets no ACC money for football, unless it makes a minor bowl and that money is pooled and shared

That ACC payout of $24 million is in addition to the $50 million a year from NBC and ND's playoff money.

Can you give us a rough breakout of what that 24 million is for? How much is is for their full share of the ACC network? Does Notre Dame's share of CFP money come through the conference or to them directly?

 

[Kolumbo]

Mate, no, please no...Those are the same jabroni schools the uni decided they had to dissociate from. Going back would trigger the nightmares I've had where I return to one of my former companies knowing they are d00m3d (which is why I left in the first place). I'd take the PAC instead and have it stand for "Pacific And Connecticut". Man I need a drink now...

I'm joking around of course. But the difference is we'd still play basketball in the Big East. UConn was screwed because the basketball conference was not good and too far flung. It's not bad football competition when you include Army & Navy and with only 8 football teams, plenty of slots for bigger games.

 

[buddy]

I'm joking around of course. But the difference is we'd still play basketball in the Big East. UConn was screwed because the basketball conference was not good and too far flung. It's not bad football competition when you include Army & Navy and with only 8 football teams, plenty of slots for bigger games.

Actually, given that it appears that neither a Big 12 or ACC invite will not happen, it may be a good idea. Placates the basketball only crowd and give football fans a conference.

 

[Kolumbo]

Actually, given that it appears that neither a Big 12 or ACC invite will not happen, it may be a good idea. Placates the basketball only crowd and give football fans a conference.

 

[CL82]

Actually, given that it appears that neither a Big 12 or ACC invite will not happen, it may be a good idea. Placates the basketball only crowd and give football fans a conference.

If neither a big 12 invite or an ACC invite will not happen, that mean that they both will happen?

 

[Zissou]

If neither a big 12 invite or an ACC invite will not happen, that mean that they both will happen?

Yes, it means that it will not happen, neither will it be both.

 

[CL82]

Yes, it means that it will not happen, neither will it be both.

Actually, if neither won't happen, that means that both will happen.

 

[Zissou]

Actually, if neither won't happen, that means that both will happen.

I got you, I was just trying to mimic the incoherent Yard vernacular

 

[huskymedic]

Dan Hurley: Possible ACC-Big East merger 'would make tons of sense'

UConn coach Dan Hurley said an ACC-Big East merger would "make tons of sense" when asked about the issue Thursday.

awfulannouncing.com

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Dan Hurley: Possible ACC-Big East merger 'would make tons of sense'

UConn coach Dan Hurley said an ACC-Big East merger would "make tons of sense" when asked about the issue Thursday.

awfulannouncing.com

A merger does shuffle the deck for the ACC, which it badly needs, since right now it has a losing hand relative to the P2. Keeping the revenue segregated for now between the two leagues would enable this to be a low cost event for the ACC, but it would open the ACC to big new markets which its earlier Big East additions (Pitt, Syracuse, BCU) never delivered. The Big East schools have proven they can hang in hoops, and adding creating a strong network of schools in the north and east makes its existing schools more valuable. UConn, Villanova, Georgetown and St. Johns become exciting matchups for the better ACC programs, along with a reason for fans to show up at dumpster fires like Pitt, Cuse and BCU.

I don't know how you do a 29 team tournament, so there are still some things to work out on the hoops side, but this doesn't suck.

UConn football would be a useful addition, and also help make Syracuse, Pitt and BCU more relevant. It would also be a cheap one since the net benefit of bringing an entire basketball league over would more than offset any incremental cost of UConn earning its way into a membership in the ACC. There is no financial justification for the ACC ever bringing UConn over as a one-off, all sports addition.

This is the only realistic path for UConn to get into the ACC before about 2040, if ever. Or we can follow the basketball haters strategy of pining for the AAC while hoping for some P4 conference to add UConn as a one-off, full member, because that will never happen.

 

[Zissou]

A merger does shuffle the deck for the ACC, which it badly needs, since right now it has a losing hand relative to the P2. Keeping the revenue segregated for now between the two leagues would enable this to be a low cost event for the ACC, but it would open the ACC to big new markets which its earlier Big East additions (Pitt, Syracuse, BCU) never delivered. The Big East schools have proven they can hang in hoops, and adding creating a strong network of schools in the north and east makes its existing schools more valuable. UConn, Villanova, Georgetown and St. Johns become exciting matchups for the better ACC programs, along with a reason for fans to show up at dumpster fires like Pitt, Cuse and BCU.

I don't know how you do a 29 team tournament, so there are still some things to work out on the hoops side, but this doesn't suck.

UConn football would be a useful addition, and also help make Syracuse, Pitt and BCU more relevant. It would also be a cheap one since the net benefit of bringing an entire basketball league over would more than offset any incremental cost of UConn earning its way into a membership in the ACC. There is no financial justification for the ACC ever bringing UConn over as a one-off, all sports addition.

This is the only realistic path for UConn to get into the ACC before about 2040, if ever. Or we can follow the basketball haters strategy of pining for the AAC while hoping for some P4 conference to add UConn as a one-off, full member, because that will never happen.

The ACC is already too diluted from its core to be interesting

 

[jostar1]

Dan Hurley: Possible ACC-Big East merger 'would make tons of sense'

UConn coach Dan Hurley said an ACC-Big East merger would "make tons of sense" when asked about the issue Thursday.

awfulannouncing.com

Per the article:

Big East commissioner Val Ackerman talked about the proposal during an appearance on John Ourand’s The Varsity podcast, saying there have been some “conversations” about the future of both conferences.

“There’s been some conversations about what we could all be doing together, again, not only to secure our own futures, but to make sure that college basketball stays strong and relevant as football interests continue to dominate much of the headlines and much of the bandwidth of the leagues that we consider peer conferences,” Ackerman told Ourand."

So how far up have those talks gone? Does that mean that she has had talks with the ACC Commissioner, Jim Phillips?

Also, what happens with UConn football? I would hate for the ACC to get our basketball program without our football program. But we would have no choice but to go along with it.

 

[CTBballfan243]

Why would the ACC want all of the Big East teams? Take Georgetown, Villanova, UConn, consider Marquette and Creighton. ST.John’s brings nothing to the table except another mouth to feed. With UConn, Syracuse, NYC is covered. The ACC doesn’t need the whole Big East.

 

[Kolumbo]

The merger would be glorious. The ACC could organize the basketball conference any way it likes. It could have 2 completely separate divisions and have mini conference tournaments, with the winner of each mini-tourney play for the grand prize. Or 2 divisions and one large tourney. Really expands the footprint with great basketball matchups. Makes it the clear best basketball conference by far and gives it more leverage when the P2 try to split off. Leaves the Big 12 in the dust.