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No one is leaving The ACC for The Big 12 until some schools move to the B1G and/or SEC first. It makes no sense otherwise. It's also why I believe that UConn will remain in contention for a spot in the league, as Yormark continues to sell his vision. If he can further monetize basketball, is it worth waiting for a Duke or Cuse when the two-time champs are available now?
 
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Are you saying ACC BB is getting that much more than the BE? I've never really looked at the numbers that deeply.
No, I was responding to the other poster who seem to be suggesting that basketball constitutes 80% of the total ACC contract. It does not. .
 
Big assumption that the Power 2 have any interest in the ACC schools. Maybe the B1G kicks the tires on a couple, but I don't see why the SEC has any interest. SEC expansion has been based on football schools, and the only schools that move the needle (FSU, Clemson and Miami) already have SEC schools in state. Maybe you look at how they took UT when they already had aTm in TX , but UT is as big a football name as there is. Those ACC schools aren't on the same level.
 
I don't find comfort by being in the Big East but when comparing what the Big East's tv revenue value is you have to compare Olympic sports to Olympic sports.
No, you don't. When you were going to the store to buy a loaf bread, nobody cares whether you've got a one hour a week part-time job which pays the same hourly as a different guys full-time job. They only care whether you have enough money to pay for the bread. In the end, though the guy with the full-time job definitely has the money to pay for the bread, plus some steaks plus some milk plus a case of beer… Etc..
 
No, you don't. When you were going to the store to buy a loaf bread, nobody cares whether you've got a one hour a week part-time job which pays the same hourly as a different guys full-time job. They only care whether you have enough money to pay for the bread. In the end, though the guy with the full-time job definitely has the money to pay for the bread, plus some steaks plus some milk plus a case of beer… Etc..
Look, I stated simply from a comparison standpoint that the value of the BE is on par with the ACC's Olympic sports component. Of course UConn wants P* football tv revenue. Newsflash, we're not there yet. Do we all wish UConn was bringing in P*/40m per year for all sports? Yes. Will we one day? Time will tell.
 
Look, I stated simply from a comparison standpoint that the value of the BE is on par with the ACC's Olympic sports component. Of course UConn wants P* football tv revenue. Newsflash, we're not there yet. Do we all wish UConn was bringing in P*/40m per year for all sports? Yes. Will we one day? Time will tell.
I think time has told.

When the school needed leaders willing to double down on FB we had Jeff Hathaway, Paul Pendergast, Sue Herbst, and Warde Manuel. When Manuel is the best of the bunch, you were bound to be cooked.
 
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No, you don't. When you were going to the store to buy a loaf bread, nobody cares whether you've got a one hour a week part-time job which pays the same hourly as a different guys full-time job. They only care whether you have enough money to pay for the bread. In the end, though the guy with the full-time job definitely has the money to pay for the bread, plus some steaks plus some milk plus a case of beer… Etc..
That is quite possibly the worst analogy I have ever read.

To use your grocery store scenario, one man is buying bugers, the other man is buying burgers and steaks. You have to compare the prices of the burgers without the steaks to see what's what.
 
Look, I stated simply from a comparison standpoint that the value of the BE is on par with the ACC's Olympic sports component.
I'm not sure that that's actually correct. Notre Dame isn't a football member but receives $17 million per year from the ACC. That's what over $10 million more than big East members receive?
 
That is quite possibly the worst analogy I have ever read.

To use your grocery store scenario, one man is buying bugers, the other man is buying burgers and steaks. You have to compare the prices of the burgers without the steaks to see what's what.
Lol...
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The point is simply annual revenue is the salient criterium. If big east schools are only making $.20 on the dollar of ACC schools, they don't have the same buying power. The fact that they're selling a less valuable product isn't relevant.
 
I think time has told.

When the school needed leaders willing to double down on FB we had Jeff Hathaway, Paul Pendergast, Sue Herbst, and Warde Manuel. When Manuel is the best of the bunch, you were bound to be cooked.
To be fair, he was a superstar.
 
Lol...

The point is simply annual revenue is the salient criterium. If big east schools are only making $.20 on the dollar of ACC schools, they don't have the same buying power. The fact that they're selling a less valuable product isn't relevant.
I get the point you're making, but the analogy still stinks. There are a lot of ways to look at it though. Even if we just look at Olympic sports, the ACC has 18 programs vs the Big East 11 so overall, the ACC is more valuable. Another reason the Big East needs to expand. If only this were all moot at some point.


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I get the point you're making, but the analogy still stinks. There are a lot of ways to look at it though. Even if we just look at Olympic sports, the ACC has 18 programs vs the Big East 11 so overall, the ACC is more valuable. Another reason the Big East needs to expand. If only this were all moot at some point.


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No, I really don't think you do. Fabricating some kind of equivalency by saying "well we only make $.20 on the dollar, but we're only selling a much less valuable product so we're fine" is a nonsensical position.

I don't want to get in the weeds with you, but every position you've taken in this thread, from the addition of Dayton and St. Louis to the big east onward has always consistently any basic understanding of the underlying economics. This position is no different.

Feel free to have the last word.
 
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I'm not sure that that's actually correct. Notre Dame isn't a football member but receives $17 million per year from the ACC. That's what over $10 million more than big East members receive?
Not sure about Notre Dame because it might get partial money for football or just some kick back just because they're Notre Dame... Let's just do the per school math for the ACC - they bring in about 480m per year divided by 16 schools (I'll be nice and divide by 16 instead of 17 due to SMU getting zero), so that's 6m per school (assumes 20% for Olympic sports/80% for football).
 
I think time has told.

When the school needed leaders willing to double down on FB we had Jeff Hathaway, Paul Pendergast, Sue Herbst, and Warde Manuel. When Manuel is the best of the bunch, you were bound to be cooked.
And unfortunately the coaching hires were PP, BD, and RE2. It's one thing to strike out three times in a row and we did it in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings while being down by multiple runs... Or, punt, punt, fumble in the 4th quarter down 10 points. We need a hail Mary followed by an on sides kick.
 
No one is leaving The ACC for The Big 12 until some schools move to the B1G and/or SEC first. It makes no sense otherwise. It's also why I believe that UConn will remain in contention for a spot in the league, as Yormark continues to sell his vision. If he can further monetize basketball, is it worth waiting for a Duke or Cuse when the two-time champs are available now?
Depends entirely on what a future deal may involve. If the b12 yields more money than the acc and the b10/sec says go away then teams go to the b12
 
Not sure about Notre Dame because it might get partial money for football or just some kick back just because they're Notre Dame... Let's just do the per school math for the ACC - they bring in about 480m per year divided by 16 schools (I'll be nice and divide by 16 instead of 17 due to SMU getting zero), so that's 6m per school (assumes 20% for Olympic sports/80% for football).
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Notre Dame, a member in all sports but football, received $22.1 million.
 
And unfortunately the coaching hires were PP, BD, and RE2. It's one thing to strike out three times in a row and we did it in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings while being down by multiple runs... Or, punt, punt, fumble in the 4th quarter down 10 points. We need a hail Mary followed by an on sides kick.
Or tax ESPN and the amount that ACC schools are getting from them goes to UConn.
 
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No, I really don't think you do. Fabricating some kind of equivalency by saying "well we only make $.20 on the dollar, but we're only selling a much less valuable product so we're fine" is a nonsensical position.

I don't want to get in the weeds with you, but every position you've taken in this thread, from the addition of Dayton and St. Louis to the big east onward has always consistently any basic understanding of the underlying economics. This position is no different.

Feel free to have the last word.
You are wrong. No idea who you are quoting there unless it is yourself.

You keep saying $0.20 on the dollar but that is nowhere near reality. You insist on comparing 2 completely different products which doesn't take into account the true value of either. You can continue doing it to support your argument but its senseless. It defies all principals of finance, economic, accounting. You really lost me when you argued that the MAC schools were more valuable than Villanova, which I suppose is why you shut that down.
 
Big assumption that the Power 2 have any interest in the ACC schools. Maybe the B1G kicks the tires on a couple, but I don't see why the SEC has any interest. SEC expansion has been based on football schools, and the only schools that move the needle (FSU, Clemson and Miami) already have SEC schools in state. Maybe you look at how they took UT when they already had aTm in TX , but UT is as big a football name as there is. Those ACC schools aren't on the same level.

You’re dreaming.

First two calls the SEC and Big Ten would make if given the chance is North Carolina and Virginia. There’s 20,000,000 people and growing in those two states - new markets, both contiguous states for each conference, flagships and academic blue chips.

They’d then call Notre Dame just for the hell of it, but it’d go to voice mail.
 
It really is Notre Dame’s world, isn’t it?
Especially when you realize that is only a small fraction of their annual income.
 
Or tax ESPN and the amount that ACC schools are getting from them goes to UConn.
Connecticut is so business friendly. I am sure Fortune 500 companies are lining up to replace ESPN. Now I get the plan. All the empty office space in Hartford is leading up to this
 
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It really is Notre Dame’s world, isn’t it?
Especially when you realize that is only a small fraction of their annual income.
 
I'm not sure that that's actually correct. Notre Dame isn't a football member but receives $17 million per year from the ACC. That's what over $10 million more than big East members receive?
Part of that money, however, is to compensate ND for the football ties. The promise to schedule ACC teams, play half of them on the road, and not join any other conference for football for a defined period of time.
 
Part of that money, however, is to compensate ND for the football ties. The promise to schedule ACC teams, play half of them on the road, and not join any other conference for football for a defined period of time.
While that's true, they also keep their NBC TV contract exclusively, valued at $50 million per year, along with keeping the entirety of their football playoff earnings, valued at $20 million. They are indeed a different animal.

But the original point still stands: ND's Olympic earnings from the ACC is much greater than ours from the Big East...
 
While that's true, they also keep their NBC TV contract exclusively, valued at $50 million per year, along with keeping the entirety of their football playoff earnings, valued at $20 million. They are indeed a different animal.

But the original point still stands: ND's Olympic earnings from the ACC is much greater than ours from the Big East...
@businesslawyer stated that part of the ACC payout to ND is due to the fact that ND is a football member. you counter saying that yes, although that is true, it is really due to olympic sports. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that ND's crappy basketball program is bringing in $17 million? Heck no. It is all about ND Football. ND Football brings home the bacon. ND football allows its olympic sports a slot in the ACC. ND's olympic sports are worth squat, certainly not more than UConn or Villanova. The point does not stand, no siree.
 
@businesslawyer stated that part of the ACC payout to ND is due to the fact that ND is a football member. you counter saying that yes, although that is true, it is really due to olympic sports. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that ND's crappy basketball program is bringing in $17 million? Heck no. It is all about ND Football. ND Football brings home the bacon. ND football allows its olympic sports a slot in the ACC. ND's olympic sports are worth squat, certainly not more than UConn or Villanova. The point does not stand, no siree.

Have you suffered a stroke?
 
Part of that money, however, is to compensate ND for the football ties. The promise to schedule ACC teams, play half of them on the road, and not join any other conference for football for a defined period of time.

It’s an amazing double dip.

The ACC has to pay them for being their friends. NBC then pays them north of $50M a year for their home slate. And they get to keep all of their playoff winnings. So, $50M, plus $22M, plus $20M for the playoff run….just a tidy $90M+ year for the Irish.

Remember when people insisted that Notre Dame would be forced to join a conference?

They are our opposite pole. If everything breaks completely wrong for us, it always breaks perfectly for Notre Dame.
 
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