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ACC Big East merger

CTBasketball said:
When the ACC implodes, grab Boston College, Pitt, and Syracuse. Set up a 4-team football conference (Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, BC) with home/homes so you get 6 conference and 6 OOC games.

14 team basketball conference with East/West divisions. Round robin inter-division then select rivalry out of division games.

West: Syracuse, Pitt, Creighton, Marquette, Butler, DePaul, Xavier
East: UConn, BC, Providence, Seton Hall, St John’s, Georgetown, Villanova
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Ideally it would be some type of merger and have at least 8 football programs. I don't know if 4 football with a round robin is even allowed.

Current 11 programs. Merge with at least 7 from the ACC to get basketball to 18 and football to 8. It's a pipe dream but so be it. Or 20 & 10.

If we can't have a return to the old Big East Football Conference, I'd like to see:
UConn, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Va Tech, NC State, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake, SMU, bcu (for ballast chief) to start... Then it depends who else from the ACC would merge if not in a P2.
 
With the announcement of the unequal revenue sharing in the ACC in the key tweets thread, a merger would be more likely. Maybe only 0.005% more likely, but it's something.

The ACC is a disaster. That conference becomes more and more divided every day. It is somewhat good news for Clemson and FSU but probably not good enough $$. Bad news for most of the others. Bonuses based on viewership while some programs get stuck with the crappy time slots. Good stuff.
 
Kolumbo said:
With the announcement of the unequal revenue sharing in the ACC in the key tweets thread, a merger would be more likely. Maybe only 0.005% more likely, but it's something.

The ACC is a disaster. That conference becomes more and more divided every day. It is somewhat good news for Clemson and FSU but probably not good enough $$. Bad news for most of the others. Bonuses based on viewership while some programs get stuck with the crappy time slots. Good stuff.
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They are stuck together. The ACC minnows will take an unequal deal because in their case it’s better than the alternative.
 
ZooCougar said:
They are stuck together. The ACC minnows will take an unequal deal because in their case it’s better than the alternative.
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They are - it’s like being in a prenup when you hate your spouse.
 
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I'm not sure I get your leap of logic around here.

ACC, FSU, Clemson all agree to amicable terms and the conclusion jumped to was "so the ACC is going to die, right?"

The ACC is closer in revenue to the B1G and SEC than the BigXII, has better media markets with bigger name programs, and is willing to be flexible with it's members. The BigXII has to project a position of strength because it's not in one. If either conference is going to be raided by the other, it'll be schools leaving the BigXII to go to the ACC. Mark my words.
 
ZooCougar said:
They are stuck together. The ACC minnows will take an unequal deal because in their case it’s better than the alternative.
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For 5 looong years I guess. I'll bet most fans of the minnows would prefer to just move on now, maybe become relevant again in a conference with some unity.
 
Kolumbo said:
Why would they want to do that? They sure would like to enjoy watching basketball again.
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If that was the case Cal and Stanford would have stuck around with Wazzou and OSU to rebuild the PAC. Everyone outside the Autonomy conferences would give up a nut to get into the ACC for virtually no revenue like SMU.
 
Kolumbo said:
Why would they want to do that? They sure would like to enjoy watching basketball again.
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Come on, you sound like Nelson. They do enjoy basketball and an ACC team is one of the co-favorites to win it all. Louisville is back. UNC is down, but that won't last.

I don't think UConn fans appreciate just how far below the ACC the Big East is, in an overall perspective for all sports. There are four, there is a huge gap, then probably the MWC, then a gap and then maybe the Big East. For all the talk of the gap between B1G and SEC and Big XII/ACC, that's the gap between an S Class Mercedes and E class, Big East is a used Hyundai Sonata.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Come on, you sound like Nelson. They do enjoy basketball and an ACC team is one of the co-favorites to win it all. Louisville is back. UNC is down, but that won't last.

I don't think UConn fans appreciate just how far below the ACC the Big East is, in an overall perspective for all sports. There are four, there is a huge gap, then probably the MWC, then a gap and then maybe the Big East. For all the talk of the gap between B1G and SEC and Big XII/ACC, that's the gap between an S Class Mercedes and E class, Big East is a used Hyundai Sonata.
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UConn just went back to back... if you are comparing apples to apples for Olympic sports, the Big East TV contract just signed is on par with the ACC basketball equivalency (75-80% of its overall media contract).
 
noeynox said:
If that was the case Cal and Stanford would have stuck around with Wazzou and OSU to rebuild the PAC. Everyone outside the Autonomy conferences would give up a nut to get into the ACC for virtually no revenue like SMU.
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If what were the case? Fans wanting to watch good basketball? It is the case. Even on the cuse board, many of those posters wish they were playing basketball in the Big East. Yes, it's nice to cheer about media revenue, but they would rather root for a team which at least makes the Big Dance. I am sure they would prefer the ACC do what its gonna do sooner rather than later. ACC 2.0 would probably still be on par with the Big XII, ideally.

HuskyHawk said:
Come on, you sound like Nelson. They do enjoy basketball and an ACC team is one of the co-favorites to win it all. Louisville is back. UNC is down, but that won't last.

I don't think UConn fans appreciate just how far below the ACC the Big East is, in an overall perspective for all sports. There are four, there is a huge gap, then probably the MWC, then a gap and then maybe the Big East. For all the talk of the gap between B1G and SEC and Big XII/ACC, that's the gap between an S Class Mercedes and E class, Big East is a used Hyundai Sonata.
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See my above comment.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Come on, you sound like Nelson. They do enjoy basketball and an ACC team is one of the co-favorites to win it all. Louisville is back. UNC is down, but that won't last.

I don't think UConn fans appreciate just how far below the ACC the Big East is, in an overall perspective for all sports. There are four, there is a huge gap, then probably the MWC, then a gap and then maybe the Big East. For all the talk of the gap between B1G and SEC and Big XII/ACC, that's the gap between an S Class Mercedes and E class, Big East is a used Hyundai Sonata.
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This is the stupidest post in the history of the realignment board, which is saying something.
 
Kolumbo said:
Why would they want to do that? They sure would like to enjoy watching basketball again.
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Yeah they would enjoy watching basketball more in the AAC for sure.
 
Kolumbo said:
For 5 looong years I guess. I'll bet most fans of the minnows would prefer to just move on now, maybe become relevant again in a conference with some unity.
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5? The year is 2025. I don't see anyone moving before 2032 given that the price only drops to $120m around then.
 
upstater said:
5? The year is 2025. I don't see anyone moving before 2032 given that the price only drops to $120m around then.
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Who here thinks this ACC agreement means the ACC in 2030 will look the same as today? I sure don't. I just can't see that conference holding as is for that long. Maybe FSU and Clemson pay up and get out sooner. UNC has more money than anyone, it too could bolt. It sounds like it is a heck of a lot cheaper now, especially if the GOR is included in these new figures. Heck $100 mill is a bargain compared to the numbers people were throwing around before.
 
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Kolumbo said:
Who here thinks this ACC agreement means the ACC in 2030 will look the same as today? I sure don't. I just can't see that conference holding as is for that long. Maybe FSU and Clemson pay up and get out sooner. UNC has more money than anyone, it too could bolt. It sounds like it is a heck of a lot cheaper now, especially if the GOR is included in these new figures. Heck $100 mill is a bargain compared to the numbers people were throwing around before.
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^^^^^^

Not Colombo. But Cluesoe.
 
Kolumbo said:
For 5 looong years I guess. I'll bet most fans of the minnows would prefer to just move on now, maybe become relevant again in a conference with some unity.
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I bet they prefer to stay in the ACC.
 
Kolumbo said:
Who here thinks this ACC agreement means the ACC in 2030 will look the same as today? I sure don't. I just can't see that conference holding as is for that long. Maybe FSU and Clemson pay up and get out sooner. UNC has more money than anyone, it too could bolt. It sounds like it is a heck of a lot cheaper now, especially if the GOR is included in these new figures. Heck $100 mill is a bargain compared to the numbers people were throwing around before.
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So you think that Clemson and FSU will spend, say, $100,000,000 to join a conference that would pay them less than the ACC does now?

Everyone realizes that the B12 makes less money, yes?
 
Fishy said:
So you think that Clemson and FSU will spend, say, $100,000,000 to join a conference that would pay them less than the ACC does now?

Everyone realizes that the B12 makes less money, yes?
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Given your presumption that the Big XII is the only option, no.

P2, Absolutely yes.

So FSU and Clemson sue to get out of the ACC. The parties negotiate a settlement with reduced fees. The end result is the ACC will live long and prosper with FSU and Clemson. Is that the conclusion?
Fishy said:
I bet they prefer to stay in the ACC.
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A merged ACC perhaps. It's a small but passionate sample from the orange board, and this is the football thread. They can't seem to figure out what the actual exit fee language means vis-a-vis the GOR.

"OG Big East BBall (4/9): BC, UConn, SU, Pitt
Big East 2.0 BBall (5/14): BC, UConn, SU, Pitt, West Virginia
OG Big East FB (4/8): BC, SU, Pitt, West Virginia
Big East 2.0 FB (7/8): UConn, SU, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincy, Louisville, USF
ACC 4.0 (5/14): Wake, BC, SU, Pitt, Louisville"

"I could see a big merger to try to keep up with SEC/B1G. 24-32 schools in 3-6 pods/divisions. 6-8 team playoff with 1-2 teams being allowed to compete with the SEC/B1G in their playoff with 5-6 teams each. If it ended up with Syracuse being in a regional conference with BC, UConn, Pitt, WVU, Louisville, Va Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, etc... so be it. About the best we can hope for."

syracusefan.com

ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

Yup, the ACC owns the rights to distribute and monetize all member school's media rights as they see fit through 2036. If Florida State left the ACC today and became independent they would not be able to license the rights to their football games. Because those rights are owned by the ACC...
syracusefan.com syracusefan.com
 
Fishy said:
So you think that Clemson and FSU will spend, say, $100,000,000 to join a conference that would pay them less than the ACC does now?

Everyone realizes that the B12 makes less money, yes?
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You're not saying that Clemson and FSU played themselves by reducing the ACCs payout when UVa and UNC leave? Oh wow. That is the upshot.

They should've said, "We're OK with the GOR and the penalties, we just need more money than Wake Forest and BC!"
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
UConn just went back to back... if you are comparing apples to apples for Olympic sports, the Big East TV contract just signed is on par with the ACC basketball equivalency (75-80% of its overall media contract).
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I am of course entirely aware. Basketball is important. But it’s far less important than football.

UConn has a great case to join the ACC. Would restore some hoop power, won’t hurt much for football, baseball is a positive. Should have been there years ago. But the Big East is a limited league.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I am of course entirely aware. Basketball is important. But it’s far less important than football.

UConn has a great case to join the ACC. Would restore some hoop power, won’t hurt much for football, baseball is a positive. Should have been there years ago. But the Big East is a limited league.
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Yes, thanks for stating the obvious again; the Big East without football is limited.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I am of course entirely aware. Basketball is important. But it’s far less important than football.

UConn has a great case to join the ACC. Would restore some hoop power, won’t hurt much for football, baseball is a positive. Should have been there years ago. But the Big East is a limited league.
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We need to pin, somewhere on this board, that any buy in to a new conference will take somewhere between a decade and forever. We will never get a full share of another league unless we change the debate, but the same posters repeat the same wishcasting of how wonderful all the new dollars will be in the ACC/Big 12/Wherever as soon as we get our full offer to join.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Charlie brWe need to pin, somewhere on this board, that any buy in to a new conference will take somewhere between a decade and forever. We will never get a full share of another league unless we change the debate, but the same posters repeat the same wishcasting of how wonderful all the new dollars will be in the ACC/Big 12/Wherever as soon as we get our full offer to join.
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Just pin this
Fail Charlie Brown GIF by Peanuts
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
UConn just went back to back... if you are comparing apples to apples for Olympic sports, the Big East TV contract just signed is on par with the ACC basketball equivalency (75-80% of its overall media contract).
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Football is roughly 80% of the ACC contract. So, basically you are saying that the big east is paid roughly $.20 on the dollar of the ACC. Personally, I don't find much comfort in that.
 
CL82 said:
Football is roughly 80% of the ACC contract. So, basically you are saying that the big east is paid roughly $.20 on the dollar of the ACC. Personally, I don't find much comfort in that.
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Are you saying ACC BB is getting that much more than the BE? I've never really looked at the numbers that deeply.
 
CL82 said:
Football is roughly 80% of the ACC contract. So, basically you are saying that the big east is paid roughly $.20 on the dollar of the ACC. Personally, I don't find much comfort in that.
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I don't find comfort by being in the Big East but when comparing what the Big East's tv revenue value is you have to compare Olympic sports to Olympic sports.
 
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