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Pitino pushing the idea of lowering team share in the short run for long term deal potential is a LOT to ask, especially with all the possible movement in the P4 still looming. Risky.

To grab the best brands in the Catholic/Jesuit West, maybe run with something like this to avoid too many travel challenges.

West
St Louis
Gonzaga
St Mary's
Creighton
Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Butler


East
Dayton
Gtown
Uconn
Seton Hall
PC
Villanova
St John's
St Joe's

That's a good looking 16 team conference. Can call it the Big Weast.
I wouldn't mind swapping out one of those teams...say...UConn, and slot in BCU...then UConn can take a more appropriate place in the ACC while magnanimously permitting BCU to be with like-minded schools. Really a win-win for our football and basketball programs...'xcept I'd have to walk back all the bad stuff I said about the ACC.:confused::D
 
I am going to say this now. Expand. If not, at John’s is gonna leave to big 12 with the “UConn package”, which is essentially all the money UConn would have gotten, all the markets, but they don’t have to play football.

Then, that will set off a reaction and nova and Gtown to the ACC.
 
I'd have to walk back all the bad stuff I said about the ACC
No GIF
 
I am going to say this now. Expand. If not, at John’s is gonna leave to big 12 with the “UConn package”, which is essentially all the money UConn would have gotten, all the markets, but they don’t have to play football.

Then, that will set off a reaction and nova and Gtown to the ACC.
No other BE team besides UConn has a shot of joining the B12 until Basketball is decoupled from Football (and even then it's only a possibility)
 
I am going to say this now. Expand. If not, at John’s is gonna leave to big 12 with the “UConn package”, which is essentially all the money UConn would have gotten, all the markets, but they don’t have to play football.

Then, that will set off a reaction and nova and Gtown to the ACC.
No other BE team besides UConn has a shot of joining the B12 until Basketball is decoupled from Football (and even then it's only a possibility)
While I don’t think St. John’s gets cherry-picked anytime soon, it’s true that the Big 12 could destroy the Big East by grabbing any combo of UConn/SJU/Villanova/GTown. Even if the pay is the same as the BE you’d make up for it in tourney credits and one less competitor in the basketball market.

PS: if it’s that easy then UConn would have their pick of a power conference by just saying football would stay independent
 
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While I don’t think St. John’s gets cherry-picked anytime soon, it’s true that the Big 12 could destroy the Big East by grabbing any combo of UConn/SJU/Villanova/GTown. Even if the pay is the same as the BE you’d make up for it in tourney credits and one less competitor in the basketball market.

PS: if it’s that easy then UConn would have their pick of a power conference by just saying football would stay independent
The Big East is and will be at risk with only 11 members. It may still be at risk even if it expands to 16 or 18. Gonzaga is going to the PAC. Wichita State is in the AAC. Notre Dame in the ACC. No telling who what or when a P4 decides to pull the trigger on a basketball only add. And if Yormark could get his way he'd already have those Big East programs.
 
While I don’t think St. John’s gets cherry-picked anytime soon, it’s true that the Big 12 could destroy the Big East by grabbing any combo of UConn/SJU/Villanova/GTown. Even if the pay is the same as the BE you’d make up for it in tourney credits and one less competitor in the basketball market.

PS: if it’s that easy then UConn would have their pick of a power conference by just saying football would stay independent
If UConn can't even sniff the B12 after going back-to-back and being a large state flagship then those schools have no shot
 
Pitino pushing the idea of lowering team share in the short run for long term deal potential is a LOT to ask, especially with all the possible movement in the P4 still looming. Risky.

To grab the best brands in the Catholic/Jesuit West, maybe run with something like this to avoid too many travel challenges.

West
St Louis
Gonzaga
St Mary's
Creighton
Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Butler


East
Dayton
Gtown
Uconn
Seton Hall
PC
Villanova
St John's
St Joe's

That's a good looking 16 team conference. Can call it the Big Weast.
Just can’t help but look back to my childhood…. Which one of these things doesn’t belong
 
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I can't read the article at this link but there are several tweets about it. "UNC's behind-closed-doors exploration of conference realignment and its future in the ACC was known by only a code name, ACC 'in financial decline'"


Nothing earthshaking - looks like they hired Skadden Arps to suss out the goings on during the FSU kerfuffle.

Also, some trustees are mad because trustees do that.
 
Bureaucracy is good at studies. They hire a friend. I once worked for one where they hired a “consultant” who knew a higher up. Their recommendation was to consolidate the areas of expertise into one. 10 years later, another consultant was hired whose recommendation was to split up into areas of expertise. None of this was cheap.
 
I’m not sure if Memphis has sights on the Big East, but the Big East should add Dayton and Saint Louis asap.
 
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St. Louis has made 1 NCAA Tournament in the last decade and averaged 5.6k fans last year. Hard no. And, Dayton doesn't move the TV needle.
To be fair there is only like three teams in the Big East that actually move the needle
 
I can't read the article at this link but there are several tweets about it. "UNC's behind-closed-doors exploration of conference realignment and its future in the ACC was known by only a code name, ACC 'in financial decline'"

"The Athletic obtained a previously unreported email exchange that took place around that time, April 2024, between John Preyer — the chairman of UNC’s Board of Trustees, who was integral to the school hiring Bill Belichick as its football coach in December — and former trustee Chuck Duckett.

Duckett wrote that Tar Heels officials needed to “work together to protect UNC financially and with regard to our reputation.” The focus, Duckett wrote, should be on improving UNC’s finances without private equity — the school had preliminary discussions with multiple firms, according to documents obtained by The Athletic, before opting not to proceed — and asking the league for transparency instead of an “us versus the ACC” squabble.

Preyer responded: “I firmly believe that ‘protecting UNC financially’ requires us to explore every available avenue to depart a conference that is in financial decline and is primarily serving its bottom tier schools. While Carolina once led the ACC, that time is long gone. The current Commissioner is not serving our best interests and simply ‘asking’ for transparency will not get us anywhere but would be a welcome change.”
 
Nothing earthshaking - looks like they hired Skadden Arps to suss out the goings on during the FSU kerfuffle.

Also, some trustees are mad because trustees do that.
There are a few good tidbits:
  • They explored using private equity financing, but ultimately decided against it.
  • They feel like their influence in the conference has been dramatically reduced.
  • They are confident that they "will have a landing spot if things blow up."
  • And my favorite quote, “Let FSU and Clemson pay the attorneys and see what happens. We all learn via their expense.”
Meanwhile, Clemson legal fees top $1 million and FSU's are probably more.
 
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There are a few good tidbits:
  • They explored using private equity financing, but ultimately decided against it.
  • They feel like their influence in the conference has been dramatically reduced.
  • They are confident that they "will have a landing spot if things blow up."
  • And my favorite quote, “Let FSU and Clemson pay the attorneys and see what happens. We all learn via their expense.”
Meanwhile, Clemson legal fees top $1 million and FSU's are probably more.
Did they mention learning about lack of institutional control from us?
 
To be fair there is only like three teams in the Big East that actually move the needle

True. But those two schools will just be another mouth to feed at best and another DePaul at worst.
 
I used to think a merger with the MW made sense. Now I would say do it with the PAC12. Former BCS/P5 conferences.
 
True. But those two schools will just be another mouth to feed at best and another DePaul at worst.
That could be the case. I do believe that conference affiliation makes a big difference. Marquette is doing much better than it was in CUSA. Creighton has improved since leaving the MVC. DePaul and Butler haven't done well. I could see how the Big East would benefit both Dayton and St. Louis much more so than the A10 could. No guarantees but the Big East is certainly a much better recruiting sell and is even a better fit geographically for them.
 
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