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ACC Big East merger

CL82 said:
I think he's just trying to come up with an idea to make the ACC relevant again and less vulnerable after the inevitable departures.

The big six conferences became the P5, which became the P4, which soon will become the P3. He's just coming up with a plan that would potentially leave the ACC as the survivor. The only good that I see coming out of the whole exercise is that maybe it spurs the big 12 to issue an invite to us. I think there has always been this notion that. UConn will always be on the shelf. So having a little perceived competition would, arguably, create some urgency if someone was thinking about giving us an invite.

That said, I'll believe it when it happens.
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I've read this board a long time, and I'll speak bluntly; every time the "inevitable" ACC collapse was predicted to happen, the opposite has happened instead and the conference pulls off a way to stay together. Heck, even FSU and Clemson are backing away from the ledge of wanting to leave. Meanwhile, there's not as much contentment in the BIGXII as you may believe.

The football schools want what they want. Tobacco road wants what it wants. The Big East schools want to ensure they're not left out if the A4 go through with taking over the tournament. This literally solves everyone's problems. Wins across the board, including for UConn. I wouldn't be quick to dismiss it...
 
RedRabbit84 said:
I wouldn't be quick to dismiss it...
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RedRabbit84 said:
The football schools want what they want. Tobacco road wants what it wants. The Big East schools want to ensure they're not left out if the A4 go through with taking over the tournament. This literally solves everyone's problems. Wins across the board, including for UConn. I wouldn't be quick to dismiss it...
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No chance on this one, none. Clemson and FSU do not want Georgetown and St. John's sitting at their table and a 29 team conference is a scheduling car crash.
 
The establishment (including Big TV) is very uncomfortable with Uconn. That scruffy little team in their backyard keeps undermining their hype and producing champions with old fashioned things like character, very hard work and above all a unified culture of unselfish teamwork. "Basketball Capital of the World" Indeed! This is going to be interesting watching how it all plays out. An interesting sideline phenomenon as the Huskies continue to grind away at what they do best.
 
dennismenace said:
The establishment (including Big TV) is very uncomfortable with Uconn. That scruffy little team in their backyard keeps undermining their hype and producing champions with old fashioned things like character, very hard work and above all a unified culture of unselfish teamwork. "Basketball Capital of the World" Indeed! This is going to be interesting watching how it all plays out. An interesting sideline phenomenon as the Huskies continue to grind away at what they do best.
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I’ve been thrilled not only watching UConn stick it to them in basketball, but also ND sticking it to them in football.
 
DFW HOYA said:
No chance on this one, none. Clemson and FSU do not want Georgetown and St. John's sitting at their table and a 29 team conference is a scheduling car crash.
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Yea, sorry but Georgetown and St. Johns ain't sitting at the same table as Clemson and FSU. The Big East schools will be sitting at the kids table in the other room waiting for our premade plates to be delivered, short on turkey, heavy on broccoli
 
DFW HOYA said:
No chance on this one, none. Clemson and FSU do not want Georgetown and St. John's sitting at their table and a 29 team conference is a scheduling car crash.
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Scheduling is barely on the list of things conferences consider in realignment. The list is A) positioning for survival, and B) money. That is basically the whole list.
 
This would actually be my preferred conference realignment outcome - if you could get the non-football schools comfortable with not receiving any of the football revenue. And idk if that would be a dealbreaker.

But - 20 team conference, 12 play football. Keep familiar rivals, add basketball legitimacy and stability, and a football league uconn could be somewhat competitive in.
 
It's hard for me to dislike the ACC just because of old rivalries. The big ten, 12 and SEC are the ones we should be wary of:
they are rivals to every college sports fan in the country, even their own.
USC in the big ten for example is the biggest shark jump since "Plop" on the office.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
ND's performance in this year's CFP added five years to whatever the anticipated date of them needing to join a conference for all sports had been.

For the sake of discussion, if the ACC were to consider the K proposal, I don't see how they could all the entirety of the current BE. The 18 member (until they lose a couple) football conference may be workable, although far from Ideal, but a 29 member basketball conference would be absolutely ridiculous. Logically they would want to cap it at an even number, most likely 24, which would leave nearly half of the current BE out on the cold.

I think K is just trying to sound like he cares about a number of schools that his conference spent decades repeatedly trying to destroy.
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I could see the ACC adding only UConn, St. John's, Villanova and Georgetown, locking up the Northeast corridor.
 
Reality is that if you aren’t adapting and moving the needle you get left behind. Both leagues need an injection of energy and marketing, and it would seem little downside on this one as it captures old and new potential rivalries.
 
This might be a fun intelectual excercise, but I find it hard to believe the ACC and BE would ever merge.

This is all about many fewer programs capturing more of the pie (maybe the whole pie). The NCAA tournament is big coin, so it's only logical to go after that, especially when the payroll to attract and retain talent is going through the roof.

From my standpoint this bifurcates into big monied college sports which will probably be most of the current P2 and some sellect programs from the Big12 and ACC. The balance of programs will be under a structure where costs can be more readily controlled, because they will not have the money to do otherwise.

It's my strong sense that UCONN's days at the highest echelons of college basketball are numbered. I'm sure many folks will think that is rediculous in that how could two of the best hoops programs be bypassed. But, if you can't attract and retain talent you simply cannot win consistently and that's especially true in hoops where it only takes a few bodies to turn the tide.

To repeat my broken record. This is full fledged professional athletics with unfettered free agency. It also lacks any guardrails and oversight like salary caps. Greed and ego will drive this, nothing more.........
 
This merger talk is too much pie in the sky. The all cretins crew luckily staved off irrelevancy by virture of SMU having a great debut season in the conference with Clemson sneaking in as the 12th playoff team, however neither made it to the quarterfinals. The conference is a wounded animal, but they aren't thinking logically about survival. Come on now, they could've brought us in at any point over the last 15 years and purposely chose not to include what has been the most successful MBB team in the last quarter century (and we had some decent football years during that time too)! And now, some are entertaining the delusional thought they're going to magnanimously invite the whole Big East that has several basketball deadweights?!!? Sooo, they wouldn't take the best (us), but they'll also take on some of our conference's worst? Oh, but wait, they might only take a few Big East school instead...riiight, cuz they could've done that too years ago, or even last year. I'd rather read @shizzle787's conference realignment musings that, even if highly improbable of ever occurring, show more effort and thought than anything the all cretins crew does. Coach K says a positive thing about the Big East and people take it as gospel that it might convince the all cretins to bring UConn into the fold. Wake up. It doesn't matter what he said; he's part of the tobacco road crew that unfortunately couldn't get UConn over the hump to get an invite. UConn getting AAU status and a BIG invite has a greater chance of occuring, and we know that ain't happening either.
 
DFW HOYA said:
No chance on this one, none. Clemson and FSU do not want Georgetown and St. John's sitting at their table and a 29 team conference is a scheduling car crash.
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They wouldn't be sitting at the same table, for one. Secondly, bringing in other football centric programs to offset would be appealing.
 
HooperScooper said:
“I’d like to see the ACC and the Big East talk and form a mega basketball conference. Imagine if we had the Big East.”

Oh sure, just when the ACC is sucking wind he wants the Big East to come in and save their conference?
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We've done it once ready. The BE was the better football league when the ACC raided back in (2004?). The dopes in Providence were giving away the football product. At this point no one knows what makes sense.
 
This came up on the Cooper Flagg thread, but it's still crazy how bad the ACC has gotten. I know Louisville is decent again, but the dregs are just so lifeless. No wonder they want to shake things up
 
The only ones worse at business than the university presidents are the members of us board
 
Inyatkin said:
This came up on the Cooper Flagg thread, but it's still crazy how bad the ACC has gotten. I know Louisville is decent again, but the dregs are just so lifeless. No wonder they want to shake things up
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The ACC has one great team, two above average teams, a couple of scrappy teams and then a giant heap of bad. I don’t know what it is with that conference, but it’s losing “life”. You can almost feel it. It almost feels like the fans of the league are becoming apathetic over the realignment saga and the inevitability of it conceding at some point, with this GOR hanging over its head. Lacks unity like old family anticipating divorce. For that reason, it needs to make a move that feels substantial and will get some buzz, as these desperation oddball moves with Cal/Stanford and SMU feel so forced it only contributes to the perception. It’s like inviting a couple distant cousins from Europe to Thanksgiving hoping the family stays together.
 
I don’t hate the idea but regardless, we need to do something to increase our bank roll. Things are only going to get worse and I don’t want to be left in purgatory again while we figure things out…

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