ACC Big East merger

[Hamms30]

No chance on this one, none. Clemson and FSU do not want Georgetown and St. John's sitting at their table and a 29 team conference is a scheduling car crash.

Yea, sorry but Georgetown and St. Johns ain't sitting at the same table as Clemson and FSU. The Big East schools will be sitting at the kids table in the other room waiting for our premade plates to be delivered, short on turkey, heavy on broccoli

 

[nelsonmuntz]

No chance on this one, none. Clemson and FSU do not want Georgetown and St. John's sitting at their table and a 29 team conference is a scheduling car crash.

Scheduling is barely on the list of things conferences consider in realignment. The list is A) positioning for survival, and B) money. That is basically the whole list.

 

[Bazz4A]

This would actually be my preferred conference realignment outcome - if you could get the non-football schools comfortable with not receiving any of the football revenue. And idk if that would be a dealbreaker.

But - 20 team conference, 12 play football. Keep familiar rivals, add basketball legitimacy and stability, and a football league uconn could be somewhat competitive in.

 

[businesslawyer]

No chance on this one, none. Clemson and FSU do not want Georgetown and St. John's sitting at their table and a 29 team conference is a scheduling car crash.

Not a single person is suggesting that if a Big East/ACC merger occurred, schools that didn’t play football would get a slice of football revenue.

 

[Jaydumo20]

It's hard for me to dislike the ACC just because of old rivalries. The big ten, 12 and SEC are the ones we should be wary of:
they are rivals to every college sports fan in the country, even their own.
USC in the big ten for example is the biggest shark jump since "Plop" on the office.

 

[Viet Vet]

ND's performance in this year's CFP added five years to whatever the anticipated date of them needing to join a conference for all sports had been.

For the sake of discussion, if the ACC were to consider the K proposal, I don't see how they could all the entirety of the current BE. The 18 member (until they lose a couple) football conference may be workable, although far from Ideal, but a 29 member basketball conference would be absolutely ridiculous. Logically they would want to cap it at an even number, most likely 24, which would leave nearly half of the current BE out on the cold.

I think K is just trying to sound like he cares about a number of schools that his conference spent decades repeatedly trying to destroy.

I could see the ACC adding only UConn, St. John's, Villanova and Georgetown, locking up the Northeast corridor.

 

[RuffRuff]

Reality is that if you aren’t adapting and moving the needle you get left behind. Both leagues need an injection of energy and marketing, and it would seem little downside on this one as it captures old and new potential rivalries.

 

[uconndogs]

This might be a fun intelectual excercise, but I find it hard to believe the ACC and BE would ever merge.

This is all about many fewer programs capturing more of the pie (maybe the whole pie). The NCAA tournament is big coin, so it's only logical to go after that, especially when the payroll to attract and retain talent is going through the roof.

From my standpoint this bifurcates into big monied college sports which will probably be most of the current P2 and some sellect programs from the Big12 and ACC. The balance of programs will be under a structure where costs can be more readily controlled, because they will not have the money to do otherwise.

It's my strong sense that UCONN's days at the highest echelons of college basketball are numbered. I'm sure many folks will think that is rediculous in that how could two of the best hoops programs be bypassed. But, if you can't attract and retain talent you simply cannot win consistently and that's especially true in hoops where it only takes a few bodies to turn the tide.

To repeat my broken record. This is full fledged professional athletics with unfettered free agency. It also lacks any guardrails and oversight like salary caps. Greed and ego will drive this, nothing more.........

 

[KryHavok]

This merger talk is too much pie in the sky. The all cretins crew luckily staved off irrelevancy by virture of SMU having a great debut season in the conference with Clemson sneaking in as the 12th playoff team, however neither made it to the quarterfinals. The conference is a wounded animal, but they aren't thinking logically about survival. Come on now, they could've brought us in at any point over the last 15 years and purposely chose not to include what has been the most successful MBB team in the last quarter century (and we had some decent football years during that time too)! And now, some are entertaining the delusional thought they're going to magnanimously invite the whole Big East that has several basketball deadweights?!!? Sooo, they wouldn't take the best (us), but they'll also take on some of our conference's worst? Oh, but wait, they might only take a few Big East school instead...riiight, cuz they could've done that too years ago, or even last year. I'd rather read @shizzle787's conference realignment musings that, even if highly improbable of ever occurring, show more effort and thought than anything the all cretins crew does. Coach K says a positive thing about the Big East and people take it as gospel that it might convince the all cretins to bring UConn into the fold. Wake up. It doesn't matter what he said; he's part of the tobacco road crew that unfortunately couldn't get UConn over the hump to get an invite. UConn getting AAU status and a BIG invite has a greater chance of occuring, and we know that ain't happening either.

 

[RedRabbit84]

No chance on this one, none. Clemson and FSU do not want Georgetown and St. John's sitting at their table and a 29 team conference is a scheduling car crash.

They wouldn't be sitting at the same table, for one. Secondly, bringing in other football centric programs to offset would be appealing.

 

[Palatine]

“I’d like to see the ACC and the Big East talk and form a mega basketball conference. Imagine if we had the Big East.”

Oh sure, just when the ACC is sucking wind he wants the Big East to come in and save their conference?

We've done it once ready. The BE was the better football league when the ACC raided back in (2004?). The dopes in Providence were giving away the football product. At this point no one knows what makes sense.

 

[Inyatkin]

This came up on the Cooper Flagg thread, but it's still crazy how bad the ACC has gotten. I know Louisville is decent again, but the dregs are just so lifeless. No wonder they want to shake things up

 

[Ha Who]

The only ones worse at business than the university presidents are the members of us board

 

[RuffRuff]

This came up on the Cooper Flagg thread, but it's still crazy how bad the ACC has gotten. I know Louisville is decent again, but the dregs are just so lifeless. No wonder they want to shake things up

The ACC has one great team, two above average teams, a couple of scrappy teams and then a giant heap of bad. I don’t know what it is with that conference, but it’s losing “life”. You can almost feel it. It almost feels like the fans of the league are becoming apathetic over the realignment saga and the inevitability of it conceding at some point, with this GOR hanging over its head. Lacks unity like old family anticipating divorce. For that reason, it needs to make a move that feels substantial and will get some buzz, as these desperation oddball moves with Cal/Stanford and SMU feel so forced it only contributes to the perception. It’s like inviting a couple distant cousins from Europe to Thanksgiving hoping the family stays together.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

I don’t hate the idea but regardless, we need to do something to increase our bank roll. Things are only going to get worse and I don’t want to be left in purgatory again while we figure things out…

 

[80shusky]

I might think this was ok if they dumped BC, Syracuse and the west coast schools they just added.

 

[John]

This might be a fun intelectual excercise, but I find it hard to believe the ACC and BE would ever merge.

This is all about many fewer programs capturing more of the pie (maybe the whole pie). The NCAA tournament is big coin, so it's only logical to go after that, especially when the payroll to attract and retain talent is going through the roof.

From my standpoint this bifurcates into big monied college sports which will probably be most of the current P2 and some sellect programs from the Big12 and ACC. The balance of programs will be under a structure where costs can be more readily controlled, because they will not have the money to do otherwise.

It's my strong sense that UCONN's days at the highest echelons of college basketball are numbered. I'm sure many folks will think that is rediculous in that how could two of the best hoops programs be bypassed. But, if you can't attract and retain talent you simply cannot win consistently and that's especially true in hoops where it only takes a few bodies to turn the tide.

To repeat my broken record. This is full fledged professional athletics with unfettered free agency. It also lacks any guardrails and oversight like salary caps. Greed and ego will drive this, nothing more.........

the UConn South Orange branch won't like this take.

 

[Kolumbo]

I could see the ACC adding only UConn, St. John's, Villanova and Georgetown, locking up the Northeast corridor.

UConn, SJU, Nova, Georgetown would bring basketball to 22. Maybe add 2 more of PC, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier for 24.
UConn, Army and Navy would bring Football to 20. Do the service academies bring enough prestige to help the ACC? Or try to poach Big 12 programs which I think would be unlikely.

I know a merger won't happen but change will occur one way or another. The ACC could do something bold to survive and keep it a premier basketball conference, it could backfill for years and be G status, or it could completely implode. We're all waiting to see.

And when people say the ACC could have done something years ago, remember, it was still solidly the P5 up until just last year. There was no need. Then the PAC 12 imploded, the ACC panicked and grabbed 2 San Francisco "power" programs and a Dallas bag called SMU. Half of the ACC better be very worried that they are going to be left behind unless the conference does something drastic.

 

[uconndogs]

the UConn South Orange branch won't like this take.

Hey, I hope I'm dead wrong, but there seems to be a bit of writing on the wall that it's headed that way.

 

[uh-no]

The ACC has one great team, two above average teams, a couple of scrappy teams and then a giant heap of bad. I don’t know what it is with that conference, but it’s losing “life”. You can almost feel it. It almost feels like the fans of the league are becoming apathetic over the realignment saga and the inevitability of it conceding at some point, with this GOR hanging over its head. Lacks unity like old family anticipating divorce. For that reason, it needs to make a move that feels substantial and will get some buzz, as these desperation oddball moves with Cal/Stanford and SMU feel so forced it only contributes to the perception. It’s like inviting a couple distant cousins from Europe to Thanksgiving hoping the family stays together.

shat on in bowl games, shat on in the sec-acc challenge....still running commercials calling it the "premier basketball conference"

If only they spent that money investing in the league rather than running out of touch ads.

 

[uconnric]

Lengthy discussion on this topic on the Conference Realignment board.

 

[Methalius]

At the end of the day College Football will dictate if a school will get invited to a conference or not. That is where the real money is at and we all know money is what drives these decisions for Universities and Colleges....

 

[RuffRuff]

I don’t hate the idea but regardless, we need to do something to increase our bank roll. Things are only going to get worse and I don’t want to be left in purgatory again while we figure things out…

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If you’re not the SEC or B10, only way to do it is get big enough to reach critical mass with enough relevant teams to keep you in the mix, but teams that make no sense for the P2. Or rebrand to some unique profile that you can market. This is what the B12 is trying to do on both ends and I applaud them for it. Meanwhile the ACC is just dying on the vine.

 

[RuffRuff]

shat on in bowl games, shat on in the sec-acc challenge....still running commercials calling it the "premier basketball conference"

If only they spent that money investing in the league rather than running out of touch ads.

Really feels like a collection of individual brands right now vs a collective, as you have a couple of FB schools that out distance the pack and want their own thing, and then 1-2 basketball schools that do the same, with one of them now pushing all their $$ into the football pot. It feels like no one is getting along or has the same goals as just a large group with many individual agendas wondering what's going to happen to them. They have a dusty unstable brand, and fans/recruits/donors can feel it.

 

[RedRabbit84]

I've not been bashful about the fact that I'm not a UConn fan, but I've been here because it's the best realignment board going IMO. I do try to be respectful though, cause it's y'all's house.

Anyhow, if you had told me two years ago UConn would ride basketball success into a power football conference, I would've laughed. Now? It seems pretty likely.

 

[bendm]

anyone else remember the theme song for the 2011 BE Tourney? "it's all just a little bit of history repeating..."

a conference of half football, half bball-only schools didnt work out for the BE last time. hopefully the second time around would be different.

 

[UConnSwag11]

The ACC merges with the Big East. The Big East keeps the name and sets the rules.

The ACC raided the Big East and has turned into a flaming pile of dog!!.

 

[Fishy]

I agree. With Cal/Stanford now I could also see Gonzaga being included in the BB-only invites

I think other dominos will fall before this has a chance to happen

Other dominos will learn to fly before this happens.

You guys realize that this is just two old basketball coaches throwing stuff against the wall, right? That it’s not something that is actually happening?

 

[Fishy]

I think you're on to something there. Notre Dame would sure enjoy being with fellow Catholic institutions.

Honestly, I think this has a chance of happening for the reasons I've stated and I think it would benefit both parties.

Laugh all you want, but don't be terribly shocked to see Kansas, WVU, Cincinnati, Utah, Arizona, and UConn with ACC logos on their football jerseys when the dust settles.

 

[Stinger92860]

At the end of the day College Football will dictate if a school will get invited to a conference or not. That is where the real money is at and we all know money is what drives these decisions for Universities and Colleges....

Once the basketball tournament is ripped away from the NCAA there is a lot of money in-play and it will go to the schools directly. Also, the idea of separate Football and Basketball contracts will also provide some level of increase Mainly on the basketball side.