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Inyatkin said:
This came up on the Cooper Flagg thread, but it's still crazy how bad the ACC has gotten. I know Louisville is decent again, but the dregs are just so lifeless. No wonder they want to shake things up
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I agree and doesn't it seem more likely that the ACC will just die and the better athletic schools will just get absorbed into the other P4 conferences. I also agree that the above posting on Coach K's being a part of the Tobacco Road crowd and the failure of them to get Uconn over the hump back then. One more thought: all of this conjecture being brought up by the Big Money interests on sports realignment could have a whole new outlook if the economy takes a severe downward trajectory which is well within the realm of possibility. But that's a different story for another day.
 
Not too long ago I thought the ACC would come crashing down. But there is nowhere for Clemson, FSU etc to go. Their rhetoric has dialed back significantly since they now know that nobody really wants them. UNC is actually the one the P2 actually could covet.

Far down the line when the GoR expires maybe the whole thing will blow up. Maybe the ACC knows that and they will do something proactive about it.

I just know that that these conferences and schools make terrible decisions. So we are left predicting which bad decision will be made next.

My question is that if ESPN was willing to pay up for UConn in the Big 12, then why wouldn’t they be willing to do the same thing for UConn in the ACC?
 
ZooCougar said:
Not too long ago I thought the ACC would come crashing down. But there is nowhere for Clemson, FSU etc to go. Their rhetoric has dialed back significantly since they now know that nobody really wants them. UNC is actually the one the P2 actually could covet.

Far down the line when the GoR expires maybe the whole thing will blow up. Maybe the ACC knows that and they will do something proactive about it.

I just know that that these conferences and schools make terrible decisions. So we are left predicting which bad decision will be made next.

My question is that if ESPN was willing to pay up for UConn in the Big 12, then why wouldn’t they be willing to do the same thing for UConn in the ACC?
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I don't think that might be the problem as much as the ACC would want UConn to take none of that money or very little of it in order to distribute more money to existing members. They have constantly referred to UConn as "another mouth to feed". That could only be interpreted as "if they're not going to increase the overall pie" why bring them in?"
 
noeynox said:
I don't think that might be the problem as much as the ACC would want UConn to take none of that money or very little of it in order to distribute more money to existing members. They have constantly referred to UConn as "another mouth to feed". That could only be interpreted as "if they're not going to increase the overall pie" why bring them in?"
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It's basically why they took SMU and the west coast teams....they got the pro rata from ESPN, kept half of it from Cal and Stanford and all of SMU's. They then get a carriage bump from the ACC Net in those markets.

That last bit comes at a cost.

The ACC needs games in all windows now for the west coast - that means 7 pm EST, 9 pm EST and 11 pm EST. The problem is that they do not have enough west coast games to fill those windows, so now someone has to play 9 pm games on the east coast.

Last night, Pitt-FSU ended at 11:35 pm.
 
I believe there was also a push from some ACC presidents that had prior academic ties to Stanford and Cal. To me, they bring nothing to the ACC athletically. More like BC than Duke or NC.
 
Fishy said:
It's basically why they took SMU and the west coast teams....they got the pro rata from ESPN, kept half of it from Cal and Stanford and all of SMU's. They then get a carriage bump from the ACC Net in those markets.

That last bit comes at a cost.

The ACC needs games in all windows now for the west coast - that means 7 pm EST, 9 pm EST and 11 pm EST. The problem is that they do not have enough west coast games to fill those windows, so now someone has to play 9 pm games on the east coast.

Last night, Pitt-FSU ended at 11:35 pm.
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Good point about the west coast time slots. I was wondering why that game was on so late last night.

I posted on this board as soon as FSU and Clemson started grumbling that UConn should offer to take a half share and have the rest distributed to existing members and was told that was ridiculous. Well since then the 3 additions you mentioned really changed the game for UConn joining the ACC. There is something to being 1st, that gets lost to most.
 
buddy said:
I believe there was also a push from some ACC presidents that had prior academic ties to Stanford and Cal. To me, they bring nothing to the ACC athletically. More like BC than Duke or NC.
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What there was a national outcry from talking heads saying that the "ACC should throw Cal and Stanford and lifeline." Why they shat OSU and Wazzou like that I'll never know.
 
noeynox said:
I don't think that might be the problem as much as the ACC would want UConn to take none of that money or very little of it in order to distribute more money to existing members. They have constantly referred to UConn as "another mouth to feed". That could only be interpreted as "if they're not going to increase the overall pie" why bring them in?"
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If they are willing to pay for UConn then we are accretive or at least neutral.

They have our number and info. It’s clear that UConn is putting it’s effort somewhere else.

Yesterday’s messaging was pretty strategic.
 
noeynox said:
What there was a national outcry from talking heads saying that the "ACC should throw Cal and Stanford and lifeline." Why they shat OSU and Wazzou like that I'll never know.
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Because OSU and Wazzou don’t have any influence. Kind of like how we didn’t.
 
I think this is all moot. Here's my prediction.....

The BiG and SEC will soon take some combination of UNC, Virginia, FSU, Clemson (maybe) and Kansas (maybe). That throws the ACC up in the air and raises the bigger question of whether the Big12 and ACC can even compete with the BiG and SEC financially for talent. Depending on answer to that question it could separate the P2 from everyone else.

The next logical step from that is how institutions such as Miss. State sit at the table. I think I know where that ultimately ends....
 
uconndogs said:
I think this is all moot. Here's my prediction.....

The BiG and SEC will soon take some combination of UNC, Virginia, FSU, Clemson (maybe) and Kansas (maybe). That throws the ACC up in the air and raises the bigger question of whether the Big12 and ACC can even compete with the BiG and SEC financially for talent. Depending on answer to that question it could separate the P2 from everyone else.

The next logical step from that is how institutions such as Miss. State sit at the table. I think I know where that ultimately ends....
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By soon do you mean 2036?
 
uconndogs said:
I think this is all moot. Here's my prediction.....

The BiG and SEC will soon take some combination of UNC, Virginia, FSU, Clemson (maybe) and Kansas (maybe). That throws the ACC up in the air and raises the bigger question of whether the Big12 and ACC can even compete with the BiG and SEC financially for talent. Depending on answer to that question it could separate the P2 from everyone else.

The next logical step from that is how institutions such as Miss. State sit at the table. I think I know where that ultimately ends....
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What would the Big Ten do with Kansas?

The ACC is what it will be for the next decade or so. Maybe someone joins but no one is leaving….you’ll note that FSU and Clemson have gotten pretty quiet.
 
uconndogs said:
I think this is all moot. Here's my prediction.....

The BiG and SEC will soon take some combination of UNC, Virginia, FSU, Clemson (maybe) and Kansas (maybe). That throws the ACC up in the air and raises the bigger question of whether the Big12 and ACC can even compete with the BiG and SEC financially for talent. Depending on answer to that question it could separate the P2 from everyone else.

The next logical step from that is how institutions such as Miss. State sit at the table. I think I know where that ultimately ends....
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The SEC and Big 10 are more likely to go after each other than the ACC or Big 12. The NFL and NBA, who have a track record of ruthlessness with competitors (especially the NFL) are waiting for the top tier to get concentrated, then they will destroy it.

College sports is at the tail end of its golden age. There is a great line at the beginning of Casino that is relevant. (Replace “street guys” with “college presidents”)

But in the end, we ****ed it all up. It should have been so sweet too. But it turned out to be the last time street guys like us were ever given anything that ****ing valuable again.
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nelsonmuntz said:
The SEC and Big 10 are more likely to go after each other than the ACC or Big 12. The NFL and NBA, who have a track record of ruthlessness with competitors (especially the NFL) are waiting for the top tier to get concentrated, then they will destroy it.

College sports is at the tail end of its golden age. There is a great line at the beginning of Casino that is relevant. (Replace “street guys” with “college presidents”)
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ZooCougar said:
Because OSU and Wazzou don’t have any influence. Kind of like how we didn’t.
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OSU and WSU are very expendable non Flag chips .
Stanford is the the best academic school playing a top athleteic schedule with incredibly influential alumni and a huge endowment . iIts a world renowned University
Cal is considered the top or among the top public universities in the US again with an influential larger alumni base . The flagship school of the biggest state in the country
They are also located in reasonable driving distance to a major international airport .
Multiply direct flights from the Esst Coast
OSU and WSU lesser schools that are off the beaten path .
SMU is serviced by one of the biggest Air hubs in the US and again has a wealthy and supportive alumna bas. They’re a decent academic school who unfortunately had a Stigma attached to them by paying players . You could say they were ahead of their time.
 
noeynox said:
I don't think that might be the problem as much as the ACC would want UConn to take none of that money or very little of it in order to distribute more money to existing members. They have constantly referred to UConn as "another mouth to feed". That could only be interpreted as "if they're not going to increase the overall pie" why bring them in?"
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This is where the ACC and Big 12 are lost and perhaps to no fault of their own. Either they don't know what they want to be or haven't realized yet that they can't be the P2. There are no programs left that will bring their conferences enough revenue to come close to competing with the P2. They are counting nickels and dimes and singles when the P2 are counting hundies.

So what else is there? Competing on the field and court. Here again there aren't any football programs left which make much of a dent in the bank account or on the field. Basketball, well clearly there is UConn and a few other programs such as Nova, Marquette, Gonzaga and some others that compete on the court. Big 12 and ACC could improve on court performance but only care about their nickels and dimes. Both are stuck in the middle and will try to tread water as long as possible, but the P2 carriers are sailing away. Taking in more basketball programs might help save college basketball.

Will either the Big Ten or SEC fire a shot across the other's bow?

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Fishy said:
The press release is out, but has anyone seen the actual report?
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I believe there was a link to it in the press release, but I haven't looked at it yet. if I recall correctly, though, in past years that link has been to a series of infographics rather than an actual report.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
OSU and WSU are very expendable non Flag chips .
Stanford is the the best academic school playing a top athleteic schedule with incredibly influential alumni and a huge endowment . iIts a world renowned University
Cal is considered the top or among the top public universities in the US again with an influential larger alumni base . The flagship school of the biggest state in the country
They are also located in reasonable driving distance to a major international airport .
Multiply direct flights from the Esst Coast
OSU and WSU lesser schools that are off the beaten path .
SMU is serviced by one of the biggest Air hubs in the US and again has a wealthy and supportive alumna bas. They’re a decent academic school who unfortunately had a Stigma attached to them by paying players . You could say they were ahead of their time.
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Utterly amazing that SMU has a stigma yet somehow Penn State does not.
 
ZooCougar said:
My question is that if ESPN was willing to pay up for UConn in the Big 12, then why wouldn’t they be willing to do the same thing for UConn in the ACC?
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Especially given that it doesn't have to deal with Fox's consent or lack of consent regarding the ACC contract. I guess one possible answer to that is that if ESPN has already slotted the ACC for eventual obsolescence, why would they pay to make it more stable in the near term?
 
CL82 said:
Especially given that it doesn't have to deal with Fox's consent or lack of consent regarding the ACC contract. I guess one possible answer to that is that if ESPN has already slotted the ACC for eventual obsolescence, why would they pay to make it more stable in the near term?
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Maybe FOX would sue ESPN for tampering haha.
 
I think the SEC and B1G are hitting the law of diminishing returns. What I think could happen is a reshuffling of some deck chairs between the SEC and ACC wherein maybe UNC and Virginia go to the SEC in order to maximize attention on Rivalry Week. Something along those lines. ESPN won't let Fox and the B1G just take whoever they want from their catalogue, let's be realistic. It'll be very transactional, give something/get something. For all the talk of ESPN struggling, and they're not in the best of shape admittedly... It's been the Fox this actually selling things off (humorously a large chunk to ESPN's parent company). So I think what's most likely is some shifting around to start maximizing profits of what they already have. The ACC isn't in nearly the dire straights the PAC was in.

I also think we're at a point where basketball is starting to take more precedence, hence the chatter of the break away tournament. March Madness is pretty much a black check in terms of value, and I imagine the conferences wouldn't mind keeping a larger chunk of that money for themselves. This is good news for schools such as UConn and Kansas who aren't necessarily killers on the gridiron, but are blue chip programs in basketball.

Look, I'm no UConn fan but a basketball tournament without UConn or Kansas just doesn't have any weight.
 
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