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[Towney007]

Did you miss the "key contributor to pulling down the status...of the two basketball programs" part of my post? Nowhere does it say "sole reason" for that.

Most recent numbers I can find are for FY 2014, the program's first in Hockey East - Men's Hockey had expenditures of ~$1.35M. Football had ~$15.4M. Of course football will generate more revenue, but if you're looking for a sacrificial lamb that's bringing the financial ship down, it's not the hockey program.

https://senate.uconn.edu/wp-content...Senate-UBC-Report-on-AD-Subsidy-to-Senate.pdf

A friend of mine in athletics joked to me one time that the only reason the new hockey arena was being built was so that on paper the hockey team wouldn't pass football in average attendance.

 

[JMick]

Are you talking about Tulane when you say the South's second best academic school?

This board is bizarre how much it inflates Tulane's academics, it's nowhere near the second best academic school in the South. My brother went to Vandy and Tulane is a major safety school for people who apply to Vandy and the other top Southern schools. It's a good school but this board has turned it into an Ivy.

It's like no one has ever heard of Georgia Tech.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Did you miss the "key contributor to pulling down the status...of the two basketball programs" part of my post? Nowhere does it say "sole reason" for that.

Most recent numbers I can find are for FY 2014, the program's first in Hockey East - Men's Hockey had expenditures of ~$1.35M. Football had ~$15.4M. Of course football will generate more revenue, but if you're looking for a sacrificial lamb that's bringing the financial ship down, it's not the hockey program.

https://senate.uconn.edu/wp-content...Senate-UBC-Report-on-AD-Subsidy-to-Senate.pdf

As I said, there are a lot of valid reasons to kill football. One of which is not the fact that Kevin Ollie sleptwalked through the last 3 seasons of his tenure here and let the program fall to shambles. Football isn't remotely responsible for that.

 

[Towney007]

Are you talking about Tulane when you say the South's second best academic school?

This board is bizarre how much it inflates Tulane's academics, it's nowhere near the second best academic school in the South. My brother went to Vandy and Tulane is a major safety school for people who apply to Vandy and the other top Southern schools. It's a good school but this board has turned it into an Ivy.

Sure. Fine. I don't care, honestly. It's a good school.

So is Temple. But my point more is that we don't share a lot in common with them either.

Vanderbilt is probably the best academic school down there, who'd be second I mean, I dunno. I don't care lol

 

[Towney007]

Just looked it up for people who care.

Vanderbilt #14
Emory#21
Wake Forest #27
Georgia Tech is #35
Tulane is #44.

So, whatever. They're ranked above Wisconsin, Texas, Villanova, RPI, Lehigh, Syracuse and us - so it's not a dumb dumb school.

 

[Hurleyman216]

So for those of you that want to drop football, it seems to be driven by the fact that football is losing UConn $$. So by that same argument if UConn cuts football and the AD is still running a deficit (which it will be) do you cut men’s basketball next? That was the 2nd biggest loser.

 

[superjohn]

It's like no one has ever heard of Georgia Tech.

Or Duke, UNC, Rice, UVA, Emory, Washington & Lee etc.

 

[UConnJim]

I'm not going 15 rounds with people again, but everything in this post is just silly.

1.) You're in a league with a Methodist University and basically the South's second best academic school (arguably). Then there's Wichita State and Memphis and Cincinnati - which are essentially commuter schools. And what you're worried about is how our university structure lines up with catholic schools?

2.) Villanova? Pretty good school. Providence? Pretty good school. Georgetown? Fantastic school. Creighton? Pseudo Midwestern Ivy.

3.) While being academically compatible is preferred, when you're losing your shirt - people stop caring. And our best growth was existing in a conference. With those types of schools. And zero prospective students are chewing their nails off over 'regional' vs 'national' and even if they were, they're not NOT choosing us because of our affiliations in sports ball.

And lastly, there's no such thing as 'trending up' in a conference like this. Every notable coach who had success this year is being looked at for other jobs. Every member in the conference wants to leave it sans the dregs. Some might. There's zero stability here. You're not in a good spot, you're standing on a trap door.

Well, here are the US News rankings:

AAC:
44 Tulane, 59 SMU, 63 UConn, 106 Temple, 106 Tulsa, 124 USF, 147 Cinci, 165 UCF, 171 Houston, 194 ECU, 230 to 301 Memphis, 230 to 301 Wichita St. + Navy which is a top school.

Big East:
22 Georgetown, 49 Villanova, 89 Marquetter, 119 DePaul, 119 Seton Hall, 152 St. Johns, NR Butler, NR Creighton, NR Providence, NR Xavier.

Plus, most AAC schools have med schools and only 2 Big East schools do.

As for basketball coaches in the AAC, pay them. Gregg Marshall make $3.5 million at Wichita St. for example. Let's see if Houston keeps Sampson.

 

[Drew]

Well, here are the US News rankings:

AAC:
44 Tulane, 59 SMU, 63 UConn, 106 Temple, 106 Tulsa, 124 USF, 147 Cinci, 165 UCF, 171 Houston, 194 ECU, 230 to 301 Memphis, 230 to 301 Wichita St. + Navy which is a top school.

Big East:
22 Georgetown, 49 Villanova, 89 Marquetter, 119 DePaul, 119 Seton Hall, 152 St. Johns, NR Butler, NR Creighton, NR Providence, NR Xavier.

Plus, most AAC schools have med schools and only 2 Big East schools do.

As for basketball coaches in the AAC, pay them. Gregg Marshall make $3.5 million at Wichita St. for example. Let's see if Houston keeps Sampson.

Lmfao Creighton goes from a “Midwestern Ivy” to not even included in national rankings (its a regional school in the rankings)

People will say/convince themselves of anything in order to “prove” their point

 

[Get a Job]

Or Duke, UNC, Rice, UVA, Emory, Washington & Lee etc.

You guys forgot Louisville

 

[Towney007]

Lmfao Creighton goes from a “Midwestern Ivy” to not even included in national rankings (its a regional school in the rankings)

People will say/convince themselves of anything in order to “prove” their point

LOL

 

[superjohn]

Lmfao Creighton goes from a “Midwestern Ivy” to not even included in national rankings (its a regional school in the rankings)

People will say/convince themselves of anything in order to “prove” their point

You just did something crazier than he did.

Creighton is a Midwestern Ivy. Okaaaaay. Lulz.

 

[UConnNick]

I wonder why ESPN actively wants to end the sports program of the flagship program in it's state? Maybe they don't like the taxes, maybe they think the fans are ungrateful. None of it makes much sense. ESPN + state officials + UConn officials should have easily gotten us into a P5 instead, we have a landing page on ESPN+.

Because ESPN is managed largely by Syracuse alums.

 

[Guapo]

You just did something crazier than he did.

Creighton is a Midwestern Ivy. Okaaaaay. Lulz.

Creighton IS a really good school, though.

And generally speaking, the schools in the NBE are academic brands that UConn would and should want to be associated with.

SMU and Tulane are great schools but UConn by and large is not going after the same perspective students as they are.

UConn on the other hand is competing with Villanova, PC and even Gtown (in state tuition baby!) for the some of the top students in the northeast

 

[Towney007]

Creighton IS a really good school, though.

And generally speaking, the schools in the NBE are academic brands that UConn would and should want to be associated with.

SMU and Tulane are great schools but UConn by and large is not going after the same perspective students as they are.

UConn on the other hand is competing with Villanova, PC and even Gtown (in state tuition baby!) for the some of the top students in the northeast

It's the #1 regional university in the midwest

It's the #2 teaching school *in the country*

It's the #1 school for veterans

Their med school as a 2.6% acceptance rate.


But I guess if people don't want to be associated with a dump like that and would rather hang out with academic powerhouses like Wichita St, what can you do?

Serious note: we probably have more in common with the Big East schools you just mentioned than maybe anyone in our own conference.


More serious note: I really don't think anyone even cares at this point - it's one of those 'find anything to keep this thread going until I figure out something else' things.

 

[superjohn]

Creighton IS a really good school, though.

And generally speaking, the schools in the NBE are academic brands that UConn would and should want to be associated with.

SMU and Tulane are great schools but UConn by and large is not going after the same perspective students as they are.

UConn on the other hand is competing with Villanova, PC and even Gtown (in state tuition baby!) for the some of the top students in the northeast

Calling Creighton a Midwest Ivy is like calling

It's the #1 regional university in the midwest

It's the #2 teaching school *in the country*

It's the #1 school for veterans

Their med school as a 2.6% acceptance rate.


But I guess if people don't want to be associated with a dump like that and would rather hang out with academic powerhouses like Wichita St, what can you do?

Serious note: we probably have more in common with the Big East schools you just mentioned than maybe anyone in our own conference.


More serious note: I really don't think anyone even cares at this point - it's one of those 'find anything to keep this thread going until I figure out something else' things.

I just like for people to be accurate. Calling Tulane the second best school in the South and Creighton a Midwestern Ivy are ridiculous statements. You don't have to make ridiculous statements to prove your point, it actually detracts from the point you're trying to make.

 

[Guapo]

Meta question: are Herbst and Benidict continuing to release critical statements about the tv contract simply because they recognize the positive feed back they’re getting from alum and fans?

 

[Towney007]

Calling Creighton a Midwest Ivy is like calling
I just like for people to be accurate. Calling Tulane the second best school in the South and Creighton a Midwestern Ivy are ridiculous statements. You don't have to make ridiculous statements to prove your point, it actually detracts from the point you're trying to make.

First, this is the last post i'm making on this, because it's so irrelevant and such a waste of time to compare academic credentials and prestige when you're a school in the same conference as Wichita State and Memphis that I want to crack my face off the wall, but...

Tulane is a top 5 or 6 national university below he mason-dixon line. It's one of the best schools in the south. There's 9 slots in the rankings between it and Georgia Tech. It's not a ludicrous comparison on any level.

And if people are that offended at the idea that Creighton is a better conference partner than East Carolina academically because of.... really any reason, then i'm all ears.

 

[Towney007]

Meta question: are Herbst and Benidict continuing to release critical statements about the tv contract simply because they recognize the positive feed back they’re getting from alum and fans?

No it's because everything's awesome and football!

 

[superjohn]

First, this is the last post i'm making on this, because it's so irrelevant and such a waste of time to compare academic credentials and prestige when you're a school in the same conference as Wichita State and Memphis that I want to crack my face off the wall, but...

Tulane is a top 5 or 6 national university below he mason-dixon line. It's one of the best schools in the south. There's 9 slots in the rankings between it and Georgia Tech. It's not a ludicrous comparison on any level.

And if people are that offended at the idea that Creighton is a worse conference partner than East Carolina academically because of.... really any reason, then i'm all ears.

What don't you get about they are ridiculous statements? You said Tulane is the second best school in the South (arguably) and the other guy said Creighton is a Midwestern Ivy. No matter how hard you try and spin you can't make things that are untrue into things that are true. You can point to a dog and call it a cat but no matter how hard you try and convince someone it's a cat it will always be a dog. I'm so friggin' sick of gaslighting, it's everywhere nowadays.

I didn't say anything about Creighton as a great partner or a bad partner. I'm just calling out things that are not true.

You make some good points on here but this kind of spin game detracts from all the good stuff you say.

 

[StunningSteve]

No it's because everything's awesome and football!

LOL Townes007, I thought you were a Baseball guy!!

You were talking about all the managers you've worked for.. bla bla bla..

Impressive...

You AREN’T impressed that ECU is leading the league?? Hmmmmmmm

Well, Creighton DOES lead the New Big East... but they are the 18th ranked league!!! (lulz)

(The AAC is just the #5 ranked conference as of posting time, baseball dude)

Psssst,,, Weren’t you hyping up NBE baseball? ⚾️

You knew Scott Googins personally!! LOL

 

[Towney007]

LOL Townes, I thought you were a Baseball guy.

You AREN’T impressed that ECU is leading the league??

Well, Creighton DOES lead the New Big East... but they are the 18th ranked league... lulz

(The AAC is just #5, baseball dude)

Psssst,,, Weren’t you hyping up NBE baseball? ⚾️

The ironic part about realignment is it’s been great for the AAC schools in baseball. Like... really great.

Conference was what in RPI a year or two ago? #2 or something? Not that it matters much but it’s an awesome baseball league so no from me on that front.

 

[whaler11]

@nomar - the AAC is .0014 ahead of the Missouri Valley in Baseball RPI.

Delete your account.

 

[Towney007]

What don't you get about they are ridiculous statements? You said Tulane is the second best school in the South (arguably) and the other guy said Creighton is a Midwestern Ivy. No matter how hard you try and spin you can't make things that are untrue into things that are true. You can point to a dog and call it a cat but no matter how hard you try and convince someone it's a cat it will always be a dog. I'm so friggin' sick of gaslighting, it's everywhere nowadays.

I didn't say anything about Creighton as a great partner or a bad partner. I'm just calling out things that are not true.

You make some good points on here but this kind of spin game detracts from all the good stuff you say.

There’s literally what - four or five southern schools ranked ahead of it? No ones gaslighting anything. And given the context of the conversation I’m not really even sure why people are fighting about this. It’s literally looking for something to fight about.

 

[UConnNick]

The American events on ESPN+ will begin with the start of the new agreement, with the direct-to-consumer service offering more than 500 conference controlled events in 2020-21 with nearly 400 of those events being football, men’s and women’s basketball and American sponsored Olympic sports championships.

??
This is kind of how I feel right now:


"I understand what that means. What does that mean, Hal?"
"We're going to have a lot of our games on ESPN+"
"What did we do wrong? We did nothing wrong"

"YOU can't handle the truth!!!"

 

[Rico444]

@nomar - the AAC is .0014 ahead of the Missouri Valley in Baseball RPI.

Delete your account.

@Towney007 really needs to change his avatar.

 

[superjohn]

There’s literally what - four or five southern schools ranked ahead of it? No ones gaslighting anything. And given the context of the conversation I’m not really even sure why people are fighting about this. It’s literally looking for something to fight about.

It's gaslighting when you're still trying to spin and make something that's untrue into a truth. Tulane is probably somewhere around the 20th best school in the South, it's a very good school but a safety school for the people applying to Duke, Vandy, UVA. It would be like me saying UConn is just as good as University of Michigan. It's not.

 

[BY06518]

Wrong. There are 2 options, and 2 options only. We wait until 2023-2025 when all the major conference deals are up and one of the following two things happen:

1) The major conferences break off from the NCAA because it is a useless organization that takes away millions of dollars from the conferences/schools to do one thing very poorly; govern student athletes. The CFP is not run by the NCAA, so why do we need them to run the b-ball tourney? We dont.

2) That doesnt happen and we drop football and move to BE.

We must remain in the AAC until 2023-2025 and pray that number 1 happens and we get an invite to that. Having football is our only chance at getting the invite to join the big boys. Now we just sit and pray.

We are praying for a miracle because the Football team is terrible

 

[BY06518]

budget is flirting with a death spiral is so unpractical and frankly tone deaf, I'm not even sure where to begin.

I'm not going 15 rounds with people again, but everything in this post is just silly.

1.) You're in a league with a Methodist University and basically the South's second best academic school (arguably). Then there's Wichita State and Memphis and Cincinnati - which are essentially commuter schools. And what you're worried about is how our university structure lines up with catholic schools?

2.) Villanova? Pretty good school. Providence? Pretty good school. Georgetown? Fantastic school. Creighton? Pseudo Midwestern Ivy.

3.) While being academically compatible is preferred, when you're losing your shirt - people stop caring. And our best growth was existing in a conference. With those types of schools. And zero prospective students are chewing their nails off over 'regional' vs 'national' and even if they were, they're not NOT choosing us because of our affiliations in sports ball.

And lastly, there's no such thing as 'trending up' in a conference like this. Every notable coach who had success this year is being looked at for other jobs. Every member in the conference wants to leave it sans the dregs. Some might. There's zero stability here. You're not in a good spot, you're standing on a trap door.

Sampson to Arkansas and Dawkins to Vanderbilt. Note it.

 

[BY06518]

So for those of you that want to drop football, it seems to be driven by the fact that football is losing UConn $$. So by that same argument if UConn cuts football and the AD is still running a deficit (which it will be) do you cut men’s basketball next? That was the 2nd biggest loser.

No, because if we drop our disaster of a football program we go back to the big east where we don't have to travel crazy amounts to play away games. Attendance gets an uptick because we are with good basketball schools.