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UConn's Tier 3 rights are the most valuable in the entire AAC. But if signing a GOR pays $10M/yr, we'd be foolish not to sign it. We're not going anywhere while our football program is extremely underfunded and winning 1 game a year. The only P5 conference that could conceivably expand in the next 5 years is the Big 12 and the Big 12 does not care one bit about academics, markets, or basketball. Their expansion list will be 100% entirely on football record from the past few years and that eliminates us. UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, USF, Memphis...2 or 4 of them would be gone and that leaves us in a terrible position.
 
yukonfan4 said:
who started talking about academics? and why? the decision to leave the aac for the big east will come down to 1) money 2) athletics 3) academics. in that order.
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mmmmm probably 1.) money; 2.) money; and 3.) money.


The problem is we're in this conference for football. We're not good at it when everyone else is. So our revenue sharing is going to be camel spit from the looks of things.
 
Towney007 said:
We're officially in a world where people are trying to make a case Cincinnati is a better school than Villanova.

Good lord.
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Better for what? Better as a liberal arts school? No.
Undergraduate Engineering? Even USNWR has Cinci #86 and Nova #107.
Their law schools are ranked similarly. How about Graduate Sciences?
Villanova doesn't even have any.
 
Guapo said:
I’m not so sure about that. The AAC tv contract will pay more per year but you have to subtract the operational costs from running the football program.

Once you do that, the NBE tv deal could make UConn more money year to year.

But, then again, you also have the IMG contract, Nike contract etc. which is why they won’t straight up drop football (but might move on from the AAC).
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One thing that needs to be understood in all this, Fox is heavily involved with anything that MSG and the BE is doing, it is a tight 3 way partnership and if an 11th school (UConn) is being considered, you can bet that Fox Sports is talking about an extension as well with more $. The dates will all line up. Something is happening here. My guess is that Aresco knows UConn is talking to the BE and this GOR discussion is in response to that.

On a side note Upstater is obviously mentally ill, again :-)
 
@FriarJ you mentioned in another post 1 or 2 schools you could think could be in discussions - aside from UConn, who else would the BE even consider?
 
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We've known for over a year that this AAC media negotiation would be "multiples of current deal" per Aresco's appearance last winter on a USF podcast. We've also known the Big Priest would expand to 20 conferences games for some time as well--hence the need to add an 11th team. To think the AD David Benedict and the Board of Trustees hasn't seen this coming is foolish. We'll know the specifics on the new deal post-February when Aresco meets 1-to-1 with ESPN execs. And for those that think St. Joe's is the 11th member, perhaps consider Nova's reaction to that news, realizing the Philly market would be simply duplicated and local foe would now be in-conference. The favorite is St. Louis University by a long shot should Fox be unwilling to buy-out UConn's AAC $10MM buyout.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
@FriarJ you mentioned in another post 1 or 2 schools you could think could be in discussions - aside from UConn, who else would the BE even consider?
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It would only be for Gonzaga but they would have to park all other sports but woman's basketball somewhere, UConn would only have FB to worry about. A big worry of course but not insurmountable. Any talk you hear about other schools is lunacy, especially Midwest schools, going to 11 has to add supreme value to MSG and Fox and the other conference members, only 2 meet that criteria. Outside of Notre Dame of course.
 
FriarJ said:
It would only be for Gonzaga but they would have to park all other sports but woman's basketball somewhere, UConn would only have FB to worry about. A big worry of course but not insurmountable. Any talk you hear about other schools is lunacy, going to 11 has to add supreme value to MSG and Fox and the other conference members, only 2 meet that criteria. Outside of Notre Dame of course.
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HawkHusky said:
Guessing St Louis.
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St. Louis has been thrown out a few times, but I don't get the allure. 60% attendance in their new-ish stadium. 0 Sweet 16s since 1957. No draw in NYC for the Tournament.

Gonzaga to the BE, while makes sense on the floor, would be the cherry on top of conference re-alignment lunacy. A team in Washington state and Washington DC.
 
Guapo said:
Astonishing how people don’t understand how academics work.
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It is astonishing. The old model of "this school is better than that school" is gone. Out the window. Sure Stanford is better than Memphis at everything, but if you don't think USF, UCF, Cinci and others are better than a mediocre liberal arts schools like Villanova at many things, then you aren't paying attention.

Employers know who puts out good grads in Physics, Math, Chemistry, Accounting, every engineering field etc. And in many cases it is not the "name" schools that you think it is.
Wichita State is no academic powerhouse, but if you want to be an Aerospace engineer it's better than most. And the people at Boeing know it. University of Alabama Birmingham, can't be any good right? Except the Med school is excellent.

New Englanders over-emphasize liberal arts (which is being de-emphasized by employers and students) and perceived "prestige". There is good reason, we are loaded with very good small liberal arts schools, and have very few strong graduate research and science focused schools (with a few obvious exceptions like MIT).
 
ConnHuskBask said:
St. Louis has been thrown out a few times, but I don't get the allure. 60% attendance in their new-ish stadium. 0 Sweet 16s since 1957. No draw in NYC for the Tournament.

Gonzaga to the BE, while makes sense on the floor, would be the cherry on top of conference re-alignment lunacy. A team in Washington state and Washington DC.
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“that’s a really big East you got there”
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Better for what? Better as a liberal arts school? No.
Undergraduate Engineering? Even USNWR has Cinci #86 and Nova #107.
Their law schools are ranked similarly. How about Graduate Sciences?
Villanova doesn't even have any.
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What on god's green earth are you talking about? Are you just cherry picking majors you like or something? I can't believe i'm fighting on the internet about something this silly. Here's the national rankings


Villanova is ranked the 49th school in the United States this year.

Cincinnati is ranked #147th. Full stop.

Cincinnati isn't and hasn't ever been a better school than Villanova. Might have some majors that are better. But it's not a better school.

If it's better, why isn't it ranked anywhere near as well?
 
HuskyHawk said:
It is astonishing. The old model of "this school is better than that school" is gone. Out the window. Sure Stanford is better than Memphis at everything, but if you don't think USF, UCF, Cinci and others are better than a mediocre liberal arts schools like Villanova at many things, then you aren't paying attention.

Employers know who puts out good grads in Physics, Math, Chemistry, Accounting, every engineering field etc. And in many cases it is not the "name" schools that you think it is.
Wichita State is no academic powerhouse, but if you want to be an Aerospace engineer it's better than most. And the people at Boeing know it. University of Alabama Birmingham, can't be any good right? Except the Med school is excellent.

New Englanders over-emphasize liberal arts (which is being de-emphasized by employers and students) and perceived "prestige". There is good reason, we are loaded with very good small liberal arts schools, and have very few strong graduate research and science focused schools (with a few obvious exceptions like MIT).
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What are you talking about? College has always been this way.

Springfield College was mostly a crappy school. But if you want to be in sports they crank out execs. Purdue's only claim to fame was being Notre Dame's version of the Washington Generals. But their engineering school was outstanding. Creighton was mostly a dump unless you wanted to be a doctor.

This isn't new at all.
 
FriarJ said:
One thing that needs to be understood in all this, Fox is heavily involved with anything that MSG and the BE is doing, it is a tight 3 way partnership and if an 11th school (UConn) is being considered, you can bet that Fox Sports is talking about an extension as well with more $. The dates will all line up. Something is happening here. My guess is that Aresco knows UConn is talking to the BE and this GOR discussion is in response to that.

On a side note Upstater is obviously mentally ill, again :)
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How quickly and easily the Big East got the MSG renewal makes me wonder if they know something. I also think that Fox gaining complete control of UConn MBB and WBB from underneath ESPN's nose could be worth them giving UConn a rather enticing football independence deal.
 
Hopefully the GOR won't include Tier 3 rights or Women's basketball. UConn's Tier 3 and WBB rights are worth some decent money for UConn. I believe currently UConn has to share the WBB $$$ with the rest of the conference.
 
What I don’t understand is why don’t we go to the Big East and negotiate keeping our Tier-3 rights since we’d be taking a pay cut?
 
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HawkHusky said:
How quickly and easily the Big East got the MSG renewal makes me wonder if they know something. I also think that Fox gaining complete control of UConn MBB and WBB from underneath ESPN's nose could be worth them giving UConn a rather enticing football independence deal.
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This was actually my exact thought, but I don't want to get too antenna-ish yet. On the sports side of things right now, they're chasing a ton of established, but undervalued brands. They just bought Smackdown's TV rights (I know, not sports, but), they bought into the Bundesliga instead of overpaying for La Liga or the EPL and I've noticed (because I only get FS1 through my sling package) - there's a lot more branded Big East content on their station. They just dumped the UFC stuff because it was getting too expensive.

I've got a feeling Fox has something going on. I'm getting a little too Glenn Beck for my tastes, but I kinda feel ya. Something's up.
 
Towney007 said:
We're officially in a world where people are trying to make a case Cincinnati is a better school than Villanova.

Good lord.
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Maybe I was reading it wrong, but think the response was to the research institution part of the comment below:

"Villanova is a research institution with, at least, a national brand (and 3 national championships)"

It doesn't follow that the challenge to a comment about a school being "a research institution" is the same as saying Cincinnati is "a better school".

Per the following on Wikipedia:
Universities classified as "R1: Doctoral Universities – Highest Research Activity"[edit]

Main article: Research I university

There are 115 institutions that are classified as "R1: Doctoral Universities – Highest research activity" in the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education.[2]

This is a pretty high caliber crew of 115 schools. Include CIT, MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Yale (essentially all the guys you would expect plus big public schools).

Big East schools included:

Georgetown.

AAC schools included:

Temple
Tulane
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Houston

Not saying anything other than as to a question of research activity this list of 115 pretty profile schools includes no Villanova, one BE school and seven AAC schools (and list excludes service academies).
 
Anybody got a good tldr they wanna offer up? Would really appreciate it. This looks like a 10 pg conference realignment thread--just can't do it.
 
Oh no! We can't join the big east because we're too scared to play providence! Head bang
 
Towney007 said:
This was actually my exact thought, but I don't want to get too antenna-ish yet. On the sports side of things right now, they're chasing a ton of established, but undervalued brands. They just bought Smackdown's TV rights (I know, not sports, but), they bought into the Bundesliga instead of overpaying for La Liga or the EPL and I've noticed (because I only get FS1 through my sling package) - there's a lot more branded Big East content on their station. They just dumped the UFC stuff because it was getting too expensive.

I've got a feeling Fox has something going on. I'm getting a little too Glenn Beck for my tastes, but I kinda feel ya. Something's up.
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I don't want us to go to the Big East, but this is one way to do it. Fox would need to get the B1G and Big XII to agree to play us in football on a reasonable basis. B1G has designated UConn as a "P5" level opponent (comical given our level of play).

While we are on conspiracy theories, I think ESPN could do the same by parking us in the ACC for everything but football, and guaranteeing 4 games a year home/road.
 
Dooley said:
The Big East schools all forfeited their T3 rights in their deal with FOX. Their deal is all-inclusive content.
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Gotcha, that makes sense. Still Dooley, at the end of the day, you said it yourself that next realignment won’t include us because of football. We can still save our legendary basketball reputation and successful olympic sports reputations by going to the Big East. By staying in the AAC we are on a long road to nowhere. Imagine the AAC when Cincy, UCF, and Memphis are no longer in it?
 
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HawkHusky said:
How quickly and easily the Big East got the MSG renewal makes me wonder if they know something. I also think that Fox gaining complete control of UConn MBB and WBB from underneath ESPN's nose could be worth them giving UConn a rather enticing football independence deal.
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This quote from the President of MSG
“It’s nice to be wanted, but the Big East and us feel loyalty means a lot.”
 
Wordbomar said:
Gotcha, that makes sense. Still Dooley, at the end of the day, you said it yourself that next realignment won’t include us because of football. We can still save our legendary basketball reputation and successful olympic sports reputations by going to the Big East. By staying in the AAC we are on a long road to nowhere. Imagine the AAC when Cincy, UCF, and Memphis are no longer in it?
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If those schools leave, even I agree we have to pull the plug. But I don't see it happening. As for Olympic sports, which are better in the Big East? Basketball...a little bit. Baseball? No AAC is way better. Soccer? Basketball doesn't need to be in the Big East to be saved. We just need to win games and we absolutely can in this league.
 
Towney007 said:
This was actually my exact thought, but I don't want to get too antenna-ish yet. On the sports side of things right now, they're chasing a ton of established, but undervalued brands. They just bought Smackdown's TV rights (I know, not sports, but), they bought into the Bundesliga instead of overpaying for La Liga or the EPL and I've noticed (because I only get FS1 through my sling package) - there's a lot more branded Big East content on their station. They just dumped the UFC stuff because it was getting too expensive.

I've got a feeling Fox has something going on. I'm getting a little too Glenn Beck for my tastes, but I kinda feel ya. Something's up.
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Plus they just brought the famous John Tesh NBC NBA intro song for their college basketball intro music.
 
Posting without comment on it, but just so everyone has it - these are your academic rankings for all the schools. Big East is a little different as you're looking at Providence, Butler, Providence and Xavier being more 'regional' universities - but who are also basically among the best in that category, particularly PC, Butler and Creighton.


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