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Welp. I guess I will watch this Fever/Sky game later. I saw the box score and some of the comments/video clips of the foul by Caitlin Clark on Angel Reese. I am looking forward to watching that and drama. Right now, Seattle/Phoenix. Let's see what Seattle does.
 
Nneka, Smith, Samuelson, Hull, Brink, Carrington, Iriafen.
The last two played at Stanford, but transferred elsewhere
That is how it is listed on the WNBA web site. They go by where they were playing when drafted.
 
Fever looked really good. But Chicago is part of that. I think Chicago is going to stink this year. You can’t play Sloot this many minutes at this point in her career.
 
I watched every opening game but Aces/Liberty and I have to say that Seattle looked the most disorganized and least prepared for the season to start. It was an all around sloppy performance from them. They are a much better team than what they showed on the court today. If it wasn't for their length, it would have been a way uglier game.
 
How about that Phoenix squad!? Hats off to the coach for getting not 5 players double digit minutes. Not 7 players double digit minutes. How about 9 players double digit minutes out there! Wow!! Well done, Coach!! Satou and Alyssa never missed a beat! Of course, they were playing against Seattle, which I am disappointed in Seattle and their lack of effort! 59 points? Really, Seattle? It is going to be a long season for them, and I follow them like I follow my Minnesota squad. I can only imagine that post game conference.
 
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I watched every opening game but Aces/Liberty and I have to say that Seattle looked the most disorganized and least prepared for the season to start. It was an all around sloppy performance from them. They are a much better team than what they showed on the court today. If it wasn't for their length, it would have been a way uglier game.
Which is crazy because they (Seattle) was posting their practice sessions online and the chemistry and flow was on point! Then you see them in an actual game, well like you said, they looked sloppy. They lacked effort. Golden State Valkyries played with more energy & effort than Seattle! The Seattle veterans gotta figure things out and get things on track. It is only one game but talk about bad first impressions. Holy smokes.
 
I'm...officially scared for Noelle's job. That performance was unacceptable, and too many more like that will have her out of a job (which is a shame). Too much playable post depth (seriously, send one Vegas' way, please--preferably Magbegor but will also take Li) and experience on the perimeter to look so disorganized. What were they running offensively? I have no idea. I'm floored by how nonchalant they looked playing against a Phoenix team that had two superstars surrounded by a bunch of newbies/journeywomen. Yes, Satou and AT were the best players on the court BY FAR (AT, especially, dominated the game on both ends and looked like an MVP). But given that Nneka is considered a Top 10 player by many (and Skylar Top 15)--that shouldn't happen.

Gabby (please consider sending her to Vegas kthx) is being forced to play a role that does not suit her skill set. She's a good two-way player--probably a more polished version of Jordan Horston due to her experience. But shooter she is not--so let's not force it, please!

Skylar looked great basketball-wise, but she's not doing well in other aspects (she was visibly shaking at times because she's having a hard time containing her anger). I wonder if she'd consider talking to a sports psychologist (if she hasn't already done so).

And look, I love AC. 2023 holds a special place in my heart in large part because of HER. But for all the talk about how Vegas was foolish for letting her go, she's not yet showing that she was worth $185,000 and a starting role (she didn't look any better than Aaliyah Nye, who is much, much younger and much, much cheaper). Like sis--you're the oldest player in the W. I can't justify giving you $185K at this stage in your career. And the fact that Seattle gave her that is just--mindblowing!

You know, the Storm could've used a scorer tonight. Could've sworn they had one at some point until Sky--you know what? Nevermind.

The Malonga hot takes will fly around, but considering that she's an international teenager who played in her first real WNBA game--she'll be fine.

I'm miffed that Phoenix beat what should be a good Seattle team largely through the efforts of two players while Vegas has four Olympians and could only get one to show up. You have to try REALLY hard to shoot as poorly (11 for 42) as those three perimeter players did today.
 
I'm...officially scared for Noelle's job. That performance was unacceptable, and too many more like that will have her out of a job (which is a shame). Too much playable post depth (seriously, send one Vegas' way, please--preferably Magbegor but will also take Li) and experience on the perimeter to look so disorganized. What were they running offensively? I have no idea. I'm floored by how nonchalant they looked playing against a Phoenix team that had two superstars surrounded by a bunch of newbies/journeywomen. Yes, Satou and AT were the best players on the court BY FAR (AT, especially, dominated the game on both ends and looked like an MVP). But given that Nneka is considered a Top 10 player by many (and Skylar Top 15)--that shouldn't happen.

Gabby (please consider sending her to Vegas kthx) is being forced to play a role that does not suit her skill set. She's a good two-way player--probably a more polished version of Jordan Horston due to her experience. But shooter she is not--so let's not force it, please!

Skylar looked great basketball-wise, but she's not doing well in other aspects (she was visibly shaking at times because she's having a hard time containing her anger). I wonder if she'd consider talking to a sports psychologist (if she hasn't already done so).

And look, I love AC. 2023 holds a special place in my heart in large part because of HER. But for all the talk about how Vegas was foolish for letting her go, she's not yet showing that she was worth $185,000 and a starting role (she didn't look any better than Aaliyah Nye, who is much, much younger and much, much cheaper). Like sis--you're the oldest player in the W. I can't justify giving you $185K at this stage in your career. And the fact that Seattle gave her that is just--mindblowing!

You know, the Storm could've used a scorer tonight. Could've sworn they had one at some point until Sky--you know what? Nevermind.

The Malonga hot takes will fly around, but considering that she's an international teenager who played in her first real WNBA game--she'll be fine.

I'm miffed that Phoenix beat what should be a good Seattle team largely through the efforts of two players while Vegas has four Olympians and could only get one to show up. You have to try REALLY hard to shoot as poorly (11 for 42) as those three perimeter players did today.
Skylar always gets her points regardless of anyone else. She has always been hard to play with where she has been.
That's why she has constantly moved on without wining any titles or coming close in the WNBA.
 
Welp. I guess I will watch this Fever/Sky game later. I saw the box score and some of the comments/video clips of the foul by Caitlin Clark on Angel Reese. I am looking forward to watching that and drama. Right now, Seattle/Phoenix. Let's see what Seattle does.
It's a nothing burger that people are trying to make into a bigger deal because of who was involved. The call was correct, however I wish the term flagrant wasn't used for that type of foul. It should be seen as unnecessary contact, like in the NFL.
 
Sure--I'll clarify.

A'ja took a ton of heat for what opposing fans (and some members of a major media market) considered to be "chasing an MVP" last year. This year, because Phee is the favorite, those same fans seem to be okay with her "chasing an MVP".

It's a double standard to me, but fans will vilify who they want.
Thanks. I knew I was missing something, so I appreciate your taking the time to explain it to me. I wasn't aware of the flak A'ja was getting last year, and honestly, I don't get it. Shouldn't all players be trying to chase an MVP? Of course, not everyone has the same tools and capacity as A'ja (or Phee, Stewie, Caitlin, AT, JJ, etc) to compete for one, but shouldn't every player compete as hard as she can every game?

Coincidentally, during the off-season, I saw two separate clips about A'ja's and Napheesa's off-season training regimens. It is unbelievable how hard these women work to stay elite and become even more so.

As for the MVP race, if anyone writes off A'ja at this point in the season, they don't know much about her, in my opinion.
 
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Thanks. I knew I was missing something, so I appreciate your taking the time to explain it to me. I wasn't aware of the flak A'ja was getting last year, and honestly, I don't get it. Shouldn't all players be trying to chase an MVP? Of course, not everyone has the same tools and capacity as A'ja (or Phee, Stewie, Caitlin, AT, JJ, etc) to compete for one, but shouldn't every player compete as hard as she can every game?

Coincidentally, during the off-season, I saw two separate clips about A'ja's and Napheesa's off-season training regimens. It is unbelievable how hard these women work to stay elite and become even more so.

As for the MVP race, if anyone writes off A'ja at this point in the season, they don't know much about her, in my opinion.
If anyone is writing her off after one game, they're biased and/or know nothing about the game itself. Having a favourite is understood, however it's impossible to say who will be MVP after one game in a season.
 
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It's a nothing burger that people are trying to make into a bigger deal because of who was involved. The call was correct, however I wish the term flagrant wasn't used for that type of foul. It should be seen as unnecessary contact, like in the NFL.
Yeah. I watched the game and I agree, it was a nothing burger. I was more annoyed with Angel Reese flopping and trying to make it into something. Her post-game conference comments were solid. I also agree on the foul call. The flagrant one was over the top as well as giving Aliyah Boston a technical. I might have missed the reasoning behind the tech call but all I saw was Boston stepping between Reese and Clark. Sure she touched Reese but if that is the standard going forward, I see a whole bunch of techs being issued this season.
 
One thing that Seattle game tell me… Malonga probably won’t win rookie of the year. Used sparingly in a blowout. Some of the other rookie of the year contenders will start and play 30 minutes a game all year.
 
Yeah. I watched the game and I agree, it was a nothing burger. I was more annoyed with Angel Reese flopping and trying to make it into something. Her post-game conference comments were solid. I also agree on the foul call. The flagrant one was over the top as well as giving Aliyah Boston a technical. I might have missed the reasoning behind the tech call but all I saw was Boston stepping between Reese and Clark. Sure she touched Reese but if that is the standard going forward, I see a whole bunch of techs being issued this season.


This should help clarify things. Technically, the flagrant one was the correct call because Clark's actions weren't basketball plays (e.g. no play on the ball, push in the back etc). It should be seen as unnecessary contact if it's upgraded because the word flagrant has a negative connotation to it.
 
I thought the MVP contenders all started strong:

Phee
A'ja
Caitlin
AT
Stewie
Satou
Agreed! And all of these women looked the part of MVP in their respective games (and thank you for adding Stewie because she's been missing from MVP discussions). There was no separator, to me. They all have a legit case.

It's going to be a fun and competitive summer. Nobody's going 44-0.
 
Skylar always gets her points regardless of anyone else. She has always been hard to play with where she has been.
That's why she has constantly moved on without wining any titles or coming close in the WNBA.
I agree that she's hard to play with, but I think it has more to do with her emotions running wild than her actual game. She did not do a satisfactory job of controlling tempo last night, and what was a chaotic Seattle Storm offensive showing looked even more discombobulated due to her inability to organize her team.

That was Game 1, though--so we'll see if things improve.
 
Skylar always gets her points regardless of anyone else. She has always been hard to play with where she has been.
That's why she has constantly moved on without wining any titles or coming close in the WNBA.
I love her competitive fire. I am sure it rubs some people the wrong way, but you can't deny she is going to give her best out there every game. She gave her all out there the rest of the team, they were MIA. As for her not winning any titles. She came pretty close to winning a title in Unrivaled. I look at players like Dawn Staley, Sylvia Fowles, Seimone Augustus, and Nneka Ogwumike, college years, those players didn't win titles in college. When they got to the pros, minus Dawn, they won titles, but they needed another player to step up and bring that extra. In the case of Fowles and Augustus, that meant adding Maya Moore and Lindsay Whalen. Players that step up and play to their potential. Gabby shocked me. I was not expecting that Gabby. I was looking for the Olympic Gabby. We shall see. It was 1 game. I am sure Seattle, especially their "Big 3" will shine. They got Dallas next.
 
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This should help clarify things. Technically, the flagrant one was the correct call because Clark's actions weren't basketball plays (e.g. no play on the ball, push in the back etc). It should be seen as unnecessary contact if it's upgraded because the word flagrant has a negative connotation to it.

Thanks for the breakdown but if that is going to be the standard for a flagrant one, this is going to be a long WNBA season.
 
I love her competitive fire. I am sure it rubs some people the wrong way, but you can't deny she is going to give her best out there every game. She gave her all out there the rest of the team, they were MIA. As for her not winning any titles. She came pretty close to winning a title in Unrivaled. I look at players like Dawn Staley, Sylvia Fowles, Seimone Augustus, and Nneka Ogwumike, college years, those players didn't win titles in college. When they got to the pros, minus Dawn, they won titles, but they needed another player to step up and bring that extra. In the case of Fowles and Augustus, that meant adding Maya Moore and Lindsay Whalen. Players that step up and play to their potential. Gabby shocked me. I was not expecting that Gabby. I was looking for the Olympic Gabby. We shall see. It was 1 game. I am sure Seattle, especially their "Big 3" will shine. They got Dallas next.
Wasn't Diggins part of the Mercury team that lost to the Sky in the Finals as well? It's amazing what we'll forget when trying to make a point.

Seattle's shooting was woeful yesterday. Williams and Magbegor going 2-18 combined was not on my bingo card
Hopefully it's a one off and they'll settle down.

All these projections off of one game because of what some perceive of players is wild. If the trend continues by mid-season, that's a different story but after one game, nah. It's like the post last season where someone thought Stewart was past her prime at the start of the season and was washed up. Yeah, that thought was way off. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the breakdown but if that is going to be the standard for a flagrant one, this is going to be a long WNBA season.
Which is why I think how technicals are defined needs to change. When I hear the word "flagrant", I'm thinking something egregious happened, like Thomas' clothesline on Reese last season.

What Clark did wasn't close, but it also wasn't a genuine play on the ball either. It's a technical foul but it shouldn't be classified as flagrant, especially because flagrants trigger suspensions faster than technical fouls. Unsportsmanlike/unnecessary, I'm good with, similar to when a player gets heated with an official.

I recall Lobo saying that there will be an emphasis on freedom of movement this season. Regardless of flagrant fouls, I'm taking that to mean we're going to hear a lot of whistles regardless of what happened in that game.
 
I wish they showed more and better angles of the so-called push in the back. After multiple slow motion replays on TV (with Rebecca and Ryan repeating concurrence with the flagrant call due to Caitlin's left arm), I still didn't see it.

I think Caitlin purposefully came down hard on at Angel's arms to prevent the shot, and started to wrap her left arm around Angel's body to keep her from either elevating or falling to the floor, but when Angel went into theatrics, Caitlin dropped both arms, let Angel fall and walked away. Hopefully somebody in the crowd will post a video on social media with a reverse angle shot.

I think Gulbeyan and the crew upgraded the foul to a flagrant to keep the mess under wraps. No issue with the upgrade, since Caitlin was simply trying to keep Angel from getting a shot off. Kind of like wrapping your arms around a player to keep them from blowing by you on a breakaway.

Additionally, after multiple replays, I also didn't see any "physical taunt" from Boston. I see the double-technical as a preventative call so there wouldn't be free throws against Chicago. Then to top it off, an immediate (bogus) foul call on Kelsey Mitchell from Tiara Cruse on the ensuing play that ended up being successfully challenged.

The technical on Boston, and the ensuing bogus call on Mitchell are pretty weak, IMO. As was Gulbeyan's explanation after the game.
 
The officiating has been terrible the first two days imo. No flow to these games. Way too many whistles.
 
Which is why I think how technicals are defined needs to change. When I hear the word "flagrant", I'm thinking something egregious happened, like Thomas' clothesline on Reese last season.

What Clark did wasn't close, but it also wasn't a genuine play on the ball either. It's a technical foul but it shouldn't be classified as flagrant, especially because flagrants trigger suspensions faster than technical fouls. Unsportsmanlike/unnecessary, I'm good with, similar to when a player gets heated with an official.

I recall Lobo saying that there will be an emphasis on freedom of movement this season. Regardless of flagrant fouls, I'm taking that to mean we're going to hear a lot of whistles regardless of what happened in that game.
Cancontent, I am confused by your post. In the WNBA, a flagrant foul is not a technical foul. A flagrant foul results in unnecessary or excessive contact. Unsportsmanlike conduct results in a technical foul. While you can have both on the same play, it makes sense to separate the two. Clark's act was not deemed to be unsportsmanlike, hence no technical. It was, however, deemed to be either unnecessary or excessive.
 
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Cancontent, I am confused by your post. In the WNBA, a flagrant foul is not a technical foul. A flagrant foul results in unnecessary or excessive contact. Unsportsmanlike conduct results in a technical foul. While you can have both on the same play, it makes sense to separate the two. Clark's act was not deemed to be unsportsmanlike, hence no technical. It was, however, deemed to be either unnecessary or excessive.
The definition of what's considered flagrant is my issue, especially because of how people interpret that word. Flagrant gives the impression of intent to cause harm, in my opinion.

What she did wasn't a basketball play but it wasn't excessive in comparison to what we've seen in the league. Why could it not be seen as a clear path foul, which is a technical? She was trying to prevent Reese who had a clear path to the basket.
 
Hartley looks quite good: 11/3/1/1 in the first half.
Connecticut has looked smoother than I thought they would so far, and Bria was definitely part of that. One of my takeaways from the first two days of the season was that a bunch of teams seem to lack solid posts, but a frontcourt of Tina Charles and Olivia N-O is not a bad place to start with Kariata Diaby and Rayah Marshall ready to deploy—and let's not forget about Aneesah, undersized, but with the heart of a lion. I'll look forward to seeing what's in store for the Sun this season.
 
The definition of what's considered flagrant is my issue, especially because of how people interpret that word. Flagrant gives the impression of intent to cause harm, in my opinion.

What she did wasn't a basketball play but it wasn't excessive in comparison to what we've seen in the league. Why could it not be seen as a clear path foul, which is a technical? She was trying to prevent Reese who had a clear path to the basket.
Two points: First, a clear path foul is a personal foul, not a technical foul. See Rule #12 (Fouls and Penalties), Section B (Personal Fouls), Section I (Types), Penalties paragraph (6). FWIW, Section A speaks to Technical Fouls.

Second, by definition a clear path foul cannot be called if the offensive player is in the act of shooting. See the same referenced paragraph, towards the end. Hence, this particular foul needed to be characterized differently.

That said, if your premise is that the game officials' characterization and communication of what transpired has turned into a hot mess in the WNBA, I would agree. Even Rebecca Lobo and Ryan Roucco often do not explain the situation correctly.
 
Two points: First, a clear path foul is a personal foul, not a technical foul. See Rule #12 (Fouls and Penalties), Section B (Personal Fouls), Section I (Types), Penalties paragraph (6). FWIW, Section A speaks to Technical Fouls.

Second, by definition a clear path foul cannot be called if the offensive player is in the act of shooting. See the same referenced paragraph, towards the end. Hence, this particular foul needed to be characterized differently.

That said, if your premise is that the game officials' characterization and communication of what transpired has turned into a hot mess in the WNBA, I would agree. Even Rebecca Lobo and Ryan Roucco often do not explain the situation correctly.
Thanks for the correction. I'm thinking of the FIBA interpretation where it's considered unsportsmanlike and the player fouled gets 2 free throws.

My main point is that the unsportsmanlike category seems more appropriate than a flagrant for something like this. Flagrants should be used for fouls that are much worse than what Clark did yesterday.
 
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