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I thought the MVP contenders all started strong:

Phee
A'ja
Caitlin
AT
Stewie
Satou
Agreed! And all of these women looked the part of MVP in their respective games (and thank you for adding Stewie because she's been missing from MVP discussions). There was no separator, to me. They all have a legit case.

It's going to be a fun and competitive summer. Nobody's going 44-0.
 
Skylar always gets her points regardless of anyone else. She has always been hard to play with where she has been.
That's why she has constantly moved on without wining any titles or coming close in the WNBA.
I agree that she's hard to play with, but I think it has more to do with her emotions running wild than her actual game. She did not do a satisfactory job of controlling tempo last night, and what was a chaotic Seattle Storm offensive showing looked even more discombobulated due to her inability to organize her team.

That was Game 1, though--so we'll see if things improve.
 
Skylar always gets her points regardless of anyone else. She has always been hard to play with where she has been.
That's why she has constantly moved on without wining any titles or coming close in the WNBA.
I love her competitive fire. I am sure it rubs some people the wrong way, but you can't deny she is going to give her best out there every game. She gave her all out there the rest of the team, they were MIA. As for her not winning any titles. She came pretty close to winning a title in Unrivaled. I look at players like Dawn Staley, Sylvia Fowles, Seimone Augustus, and Nneka Ogwumike, college years, those players didn't win titles in college. When they got to the pros, minus Dawn, they won titles, but they needed another player to step up and bring that extra. In the case of Fowles and Augustus, that meant adding Maya Moore and Lindsay Whalen. Players that step up and play to their potential. Gabby shocked me. I was not expecting that Gabby. I was looking for the Olympic Gabby. We shall see. It was 1 game. I am sure Seattle, especially their "Big 3" will shine. They got Dallas next.
 


This should help clarify things. Technically, the flagrant one was the correct call because Clark's actions weren't basketball plays (e.g. no play on the ball, push in the back etc). It should be seen as unnecessary contact if it's upgraded because the word flagrant has a negative connotation to it.

Thanks for the breakdown but if that is going to be the standard for a flagrant one, this is going to be a long WNBA season.
 
I love her competitive fire. I am sure it rubs some people the wrong way, but you can't deny she is going to give her best out there every game. She gave her all out there the rest of the team, they were MIA. As for her not winning any titles. She came pretty close to winning a title in Unrivaled. I look at players like Dawn Staley, Sylvia Fowles, Seimone Augustus, and Nneka Ogwumike, college years, those players didn't win titles in college. When they got to the pros, minus Dawn, they won titles, but they needed another player to step up and bring that extra. In the case of Fowles and Augustus, that meant adding Maya Moore and Lindsay Whalen. Players that step up and play to their potential. Gabby shocked me. I was not expecting that Gabby. I was looking for the Olympic Gabby. We shall see. It was 1 game. I am sure Seattle, especially their "Big 3" will shine. They got Dallas next.
Wasn't Diggins part of the Mercury team that lost to the Sky in the Finals as well? It's amazing what we'll forget when trying to make a point.

Seattle's shooting was woeful yesterday. Williams and Magbegor going 2-18 combined was not on my bingo card
Hopefully it's a one off and they'll settle down.

All these projections off of one game because of what some perceive of players is wild. If the trend continues by mid-season, that's a different story but after one game, nah. It's like the post last season where someone thought Stewart was past her prime at the start of the season and was washed up. Yeah, that thought was way off. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the breakdown but if that is going to be the standard for a flagrant one, this is going to be a long WNBA season.
Which is why I think how technicals are defined needs to change. When I hear the word "flagrant", I'm thinking something egregious happened, like Thomas' clothesline on Reese last season.

What Clark did wasn't close, but it also wasn't a genuine play on the ball either. It's a technical foul but it shouldn't be classified as flagrant, especially because flagrants trigger suspensions faster than technical fouls. Unsportsmanlike/unnecessary, I'm good with, similar to when a player gets heated with an official.

I recall Lobo saying that there will be an emphasis on freedom of movement this season. Regardless of flagrant fouls, I'm taking that to mean we're going to hear a lot of whistles regardless of what happened in that game.
 
I wish they showed more and better angles of the so-called push in the back. After multiple slow motion replays on TV (with Rebecca and Ryan repeating concurrence with the flagrant call due to Caitlin's left arm), I still didn't see it.

I think Caitlin purposefully came down hard on at Angel's arms to prevent the shot, and started to wrap her left arm around Angel's body to keep her from either elevating or falling to the floor, but when Angel went into theatrics, Caitlin dropped both arms, let Angel fall and walked away. Hopefully somebody in the crowd will post a video on social media with a reverse angle shot.

I think Gulbeyan and the crew upgraded the foul to a flagrant to keep the mess under wraps. No issue with the upgrade, since Caitlin was simply trying to keep Angel from getting a shot off. Kind of like wrapping your arms around a player to keep them from blowing by you on a breakaway.

Additionally, after multiple replays, I also didn't see any "physical taunt" from Boston. I see the double-technical as a preventative call so there wouldn't be free throws against Chicago. Then to top it off, an immediate (bogus) foul call on Kelsey Mitchell from Tiara Cruse on the ensuing play that ended up being successfully challenged.

The technical on Boston, and the ensuing bogus call on Mitchell are pretty weak, IMO. As was Gulbeyan's explanation after the game.
 
The officiating has been terrible the first two days imo. No flow to these games. Way too many whistles.
 
Which is why I think how technicals are defined needs to change. When I hear the word "flagrant", I'm thinking something egregious happened, like Thomas' clothesline on Reese last season.

What Clark did wasn't close, but it also wasn't a genuine play on the ball either. It's a technical foul but it shouldn't be classified as flagrant, especially because flagrants trigger suspensions faster than technical fouls. Unsportsmanlike/unnecessary, I'm good with, similar to when a player gets heated with an official.

I recall Lobo saying that there will be an emphasis on freedom of movement this season. Regardless of flagrant fouls, I'm taking that to mean we're going to hear a lot of whistles regardless of what happened in that game.
Cancontent, I am confused by your post. In the WNBA, a flagrant foul is not a technical foul. A flagrant foul results in unnecessary or excessive contact. Unsportsmanlike conduct results in a technical foul. While you can have both on the same play, it makes sense to separate the two. Clark's act was not deemed to be unsportsmanlike, hence no technical. It was, however, deemed to be either unnecessary or excessive.
 
Cancontent, I am confused by your post. In the WNBA, a flagrant foul is not a technical foul. A flagrant foul results in unnecessary or excessive contact. Unsportsmanlike conduct results in a technical foul. While you can have both on the same play, it makes sense to separate the two. Clark's act was not deemed to be unsportsmanlike, hence no technical. It was, however, deemed to be either unnecessary or excessive.
The definition of what's considered flagrant is my issue, especially because of how people interpret that word. Flagrant gives the impression of intent to cause harm, in my opinion.

What she did wasn't a basketball play but it wasn't excessive in comparison to what we've seen in the league. Why could it not be seen as a clear path foul, which is a technical? She was trying to prevent Reese who had a clear path to the basket.
 
Hartley looks quite good: 11/3/1/1 in the first half.
Connecticut has looked smoother than I thought they would so far, and Bria was definitely part of that. One of my takeaways from the first two days of the season was that a bunch of teams seem to lack solid posts, but a frontcourt of Tina Charles and Olivia N-O is not a bad place to start with Kariata Diaby and Rayah Marshall ready to deploy—and let's not forget about Aneesah, undersized, but with the heart of a lion. I'll look forward to seeing what's in store for the Sun this season.
 
The definition of what's considered flagrant is my issue, especially because of how people interpret that word. Flagrant gives the impression of intent to cause harm, in my opinion.

What she did wasn't a basketball play but it wasn't excessive in comparison to what we've seen in the league. Why could it not be seen as a clear path foul, which is a technical? She was trying to prevent Reese who had a clear path to the basket.
Two points: First, a clear path foul is a personal foul, not a technical foul. See Rule #12 (Fouls and Penalties), Section B (Personal Fouls), Section I (Types), Penalties paragraph (6). FWIW, Section A speaks to Technical Fouls.

Second, by definition a clear path foul cannot be called if the offensive player is in the act of shooting. See the same referenced paragraph, towards the end. Hence, this particular foul needed to be characterized differently.

That said, if your premise is that the game officials' characterization and communication of what transpired has turned into a hot mess in the WNBA, I would agree. Even Rebecca Lobo and Ryan Roucco often do not explain the situation correctly.
 
Two points: First, a clear path foul is a personal foul, not a technical foul. See Rule #12 (Fouls and Penalties), Section B (Personal Fouls), Section I (Types), Penalties paragraph (6). FWIW, Section A speaks to Technical Fouls.

Second, by definition a clear path foul cannot be called if the offensive player is in the act of shooting. See the same referenced paragraph, towards the end. Hence, this particular foul needed to be characterized differently.

That said, if your premise is that the game officials' characterization and communication of what transpired has turned into a hot mess in the WNBA, I would agree. Even Rebecca Lobo and Ryan Roucco often do not explain the situation correctly.
Thanks for the correction. I'm thinking of the FIBA interpretation where it's considered unsportsmanlike and the player fouled gets 2 free throws.

My main point is that the unsportsmanlike category seems more appropriate than a flagrant for something like this. Flagrants should be used for fouls that are much worse than what Clark did yesterday.
 
The youngest team in the WNBA starts the season 2-0. Mystics are the biggest surprise of the 1st weekend of the WNBA season.

Just think, if Olivia Miles had stayed in the draft, the Mystics would have never selected Kiki Iriafen. She has had a great start to the season. A double-double with 15 rebounds.
 
The youngest team in the WNBA starts the season 2-0. Mystics are the biggest surprise of the 1st weekend of the WNBA season.

Just think, if Olivia Miles had stayed in the draft, the Mystics would have never selected Kiki Iriafen. She has had a great start to the season. A double-double with 15 rebounds.
The plus minus stat is useless. Mabrey goes 5-21, the rest of her team goes 24- 45, and she gets a +8. and they lose by 5.
Maybe if she took a few less shots and got 3 more assists they win.
When you miss 16 out of 21 shots you shouldn't get a plus stat of any kind on your performance.
 
The youngest team in the WNBA starts the season 2-0. Mystics are the biggest surprise of the 1st weekend of the WNBA season.

Just think, if Olivia Miles had stayed in the draft, the Mystics would have never selected Kiki Iriafen. She has had a great start to the season. A double-double with 15 rebounds.
Extremely entertaining game!

I'm always impressed by the passion that Sykes plays with. I was also reflecting on Citron's ability in her introductory season to play with Britney on a surprise team that appears to really be internalizing new coaching philosophy.

I couldn't help but contrast that with Paige's experience in Texas. It seems like these are two teams that are poised to go in entirely different directions and Citron will certainly benefit from the environment that she's in. Kind of remains to be seen what will be happening in Dallas.

At the risk of one of those very very too early takes if we project out from what we've seen so far the rookie of the Year voting should prove very interesting.
 
The youngest team in the WNBA starts the season 2-0. Mystics are the biggest surprise of the 1st weekend of the WNBA season.

Just think, if Olivia Miles had stayed in the draft, the Mystics would have never selected Kiki Iriafen. She has had a great start to the season. A double-double with 15 rebounds.
Jade Melbourne comes off the bench to hit 3 of 4 threes en route to 15 points.
Brittany Sykes shoots 8-13 from the field and 11-13 from the FT line to lead the Mystics with 27.

Connecticut had a 5-point lead entering the fourth quarter and were outscored 30-20 in the fourth. Final score was 90-85.
Sykes hit some nice drives in the 4th and Iriafen hit two tough shots over Charles, but the key to the fourth was Sonia Citron, who had 6 points going into the quarter and scored 9 points, including a clutch "going left, shooting right" drive. She also took on guarding Mabrey in the latter stages and made those step-backs Mabrey loves harder than usual.

Sykes was interviewed after the game and complimented Iriafen and Citron on their professionalism and ability and said that immediately after the game, Citron walked up to Sykes -- who had fouled out in the last few minutes -- and said "I just finished what you started." Sykes: "What rookie says that?"
 
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The plus minus stat is useless. Mabrey goes 5-21, the rest of her team goes 24- 45, and she gets a +8. and they lose by 5.
Maybe if she took a few less shots and got 3 more assists they win.
When you miss 16 out of 21 shots you shouldn't get a plus stat of any kind on your performance.
A profound insight. Much of the statistical analysis of sport now is a distraction unless you're hardcore gambler.
 
Sykes was interviewed after the game and complimented Iriafen and Citron on their professionalism and ability and said that after the game, Citron came up to Sykes -- who had fouled out in the last few minutes and said "I just finished what you started." Sykes: "What rookie says that?"
YES!

This is how a winning culture emerges.
 
The youngest team in the WNBA starts the season 2-0. Mystics are the biggest surprise of the 1st weekend of the WNBA season.

Just think, if Olivia Miles had stayed in the draft, the Mystics would have never selected Kiki Iriafen. She has had a great start to the season. A double-double with 15 rebounds.
She had critical baskets in the fourth while saddled with five fouls. Her plays under the basket against Charles were excellent examples of body control. Also had to play more due to Austin being ejected. Washington's depth in the front court will be a lot of fun to watch they're all healthy.

And @TheFarmFan , it looks like bigs will get the green light to shoot threes. Let's see what happens when Edwards gets back on the court. ;)
 
Extremely entertaining game!

I'm always impressed by the passion that Sykes plays with. I was also reflecting on Citron's ability in her introductory season to play with Britney on a surprise team that appears to really be internalizing new coaching philosophy.

I couldn't help but contrast that with Paige's experience in Texas. It seems like these are two teams that are poised to go in entirely different directions and Citron will certainly benefit from the environment that she's in. Kind of remains to be seen what will be happening in Dallas.

At the risk of one of those very very too early takes if we project out from what we've seen so far the rookie of the Year voting should prove very interesting.
Actually Sikes even in college was supposedly the 2nd best player, but actually was the best.
She does everything to help a team on both sides of the ball. Would love to see her on the liberty,
She would fit in any lineup you put on the floor.
 
The plus minus stat is useless. Mabrey goes 5-21, the rest of her team goes 24- 45, and she gets a +8. and they lose by 5.
Maybe if she took a few less shots and got 3 more assists they win.
When you miss 16 out of 21 shots you shouldn't get a plus stat of any kind on your performance.

I couldn't believe how bad Mabrey was today. Horrible start to the season for her. Looking forward to Morrow getting healthy too. She's bound to be leaps and bounds better than Haley Peters who also did next to nothing for the Sun today in 16 minutes.
 

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