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The crowd at the Sun/Fever game was apparently more chippy than the players last night. No room in sports for that.

Anyway.... Napheesa Collier is playing lights out basketball. What a performance. It makes this Husky girl damn proud.
 
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If you're referring to DT as the GOAT, a debatable label, about all she contributed might have been her 'will.' She shot 3 of 10 and fouled out with a few minutes to play. It seems rather it could have been 24 points by Griner, or 16 points and 10 assists by Cloud that kept the Mercury in the game 'til near the end.
DT is the GOAT...... Absolutely no doubt, no debate. As I indicate below the real debate would be who's the distance second all time. Beyond the statistics over her career only player with 10,000 points etc is the impact she's had on the game. It's unfortunate she decided to come back and play this year, most of the moments reminded me so much of Willie Mays at the end with the Mets.

Notwithstanding this last year and playing beyond her time there's absolutely no doubt in the minds of anyone that she's currently the greatest of all time.

Those who played against her in the past and present know this. There have been amazing incredible careers in women's basketball hers is several standard deviations above the average "great" player.

A more relevant question might be who is second. Much like the LeBron versus MJ debate I'm wondering who chased or is chasing the GOAT.


In a tenuous tie to the title of this thread it's really appropriate that in hopefully her last game she fouled out.
 
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Yeah, we got those four sweeps. Obviously, I think it was pretty predictable. The four top teams were way better than teams 5-8.

Actually, I would say I was most surprised by the mercury. They were a lot closer than I expected. (And that makes me wonder if Connecticut will beat Minnesota.)
Me too! I think a lot depends on whether Harris is able to play
 
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DT is the GOAT...... Absolutely no doubt, no debate. As I indicate below the real debate would be who's the distance second all time. Beyond the statistics over her career only player with 10,000 points etc is the impact she's had on the game. It's unfortunate she decided to come back and play this year, most of the moments reminded me so much of Willie Mays at the end with the Mets.

Notwithstanding this last year and playing beyond her time there's absolutely no doubt in the minds of anyone that she's currently the greatest of all time.

Those who played against her in the past and present know this. There have been amazing incredible careers in women's basketball hers is several standard deviations above the average "great" player.

A more relevant question might be who is second. Much like the LeBron versus MJ debate I'm wondering who chased or is chasing the GOAT.


In a tenuous tie to the title of this thread it's really appropriate that in hopefully her last game she fouled out.
Me too! I think a lot depends on whether Harris is able to play
Interesting you happened to link to a story about DT as 'one of the GOATS.'

'Absolutely no doubt, no debate?' Then what are we doing?

I'm fully on board that Diana is one of the all-time best.
 
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Great response by Caitlin Clark in Game 2 Good response by the Fever but the coaching decisions in the end cost them They should improve in 2025
I have heard all of these players speak out against the Indiana fans. And that makes me wonder if Indiana will struggle to attract free agents. That’s one of the reasons I think they should offer Mitchell the max. Smith should be traded. And they should make Katie Lou available in the expansion draft.

Need a starter to replace Smith. Need a couple reliable players off the bench. One that can provide scoring. One that is more of a defensive specialist.

Fagbenle, Clark, Boston, Mitchell, Hull, Dantas are probably pieces they should be comfortable bringing back.
 
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I have heard all of these players speak out against the Indiana fans. And that makes me wonder if Indiana will struggle to attract free agents. That’s one of the reasons I think they should offer Mitchell the max. Smith should be traded. And they should make Katie Lou available in the expansion draft.

Need a starter to replace Smith. Need a couple reliable players off the bench. One that can provide scoring. One that is more of a defensive specialist.

Fagbenle, Clark, Boston, Mitchell, Hull, Dantas are probably pieces they should be comfortable bringing back.
I mean when multiple players from multiple franchises are complaining about the racism they experienced from one fanbase directly, I have a hard time believing it will be a top free agency destination until thats taken care of. Certainly i cannot imagine any of the CT sun free agents going there now.
 

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I doubt Dunn retires based on the way she is talking. She has been talking a big game about a "four year plan" to being championship contenders (this was year 2) and she was also recently interviewed about what she'll do in the off-season and she made a comment about recruiting players with playoff experience to join the Fever next season.
Someone needs to find that power of attorney form
 
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I have heard all of these players speak out against the Indiana fans. And that makes me wonder if Indiana will struggle to attract free agents. That’s one of the reasons I think they should offer Mitchell the max. Smith should be traded. And they should make Katie Lou available in the expansion draft.

Need a starter to replace Smith. Need a couple reliable players off the bench. One that can provide scoring. One that is more of a defensive specialist.

Fagbenle, Clark, Boston, Mitchell, Hull, Dantas are probably pieces they should be comfortable bringing back.

The "fans" are horrible. And they aren't Indiana fans. They are Clark fans. You make a good point about players wanting to go there because of them.
 

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I have heard all of these players speak out against the Indiana fans. And that makes me wonder if Indiana will struggle to attract free agents. That’s one of the reasons I think they should offer Mitchell the max. Smith should be traded. And they should make Katie Lou available in the expansion draft.

Need a starter to replace Smith. Need a couple reliable players off the bench. One that can provide scoring. One that is more of a defensive specialist.

Fagbenle, Clark, Boston, Mitchell, Hull, Dantas are probably pieces they should be comfortable bringing back.
I've dug into guaranteed and expiring contracts at times during this season, but I'm certain Richard Cohen of Her Hoops Stats -- who has done a post-season analysis of where each eliminated team stands -- will have a much more thorough piece on the Fever shortly.
I'll use his x's and o's to back up and/or contest whatever feelings I might have.

As per Lin Dunn and Christie Sides keeping their roles as GM and coach, respectively, I think a whole lot depends on what the returning Kelly Krauskopf decides in her role as president. She certainly knows Dunn and given that she's been with the Pacers, has been able to see Sides work the last two years. My gut is both stay -- at least the next year -- but there will be three decision makers now on personnel matters. One thing I'd recommend (Cohen input or not): sign or core Mitchell. As soon as possible.
 
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CT is probably the worst matchup for the Lynx of the three teams remaining because of their physicality. Doesn’t mean the Sun will win but it’s a tough match up for them.
Nah. As a Lynx fan, we want this match up. I use to worry about teams being physical with Minnesota but since we got Myisha Hines-Allen, I am not worried anymore. She brings that toughness that we lacked and if you haven't noticed, Alanna Smith, Napheesa, and Bridget Carleton all have been a little more assertive since Hines-Allen has been added to the roster. It will be a tough series, but I like the Lynx's chances.
 
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Nah. As a Lynx fan, we want this match up. I use to worry about teams being physical with Minnesota but since we got Myisha Hines-Allen, I am not worried anymore. She brings that toughness that we lacked and if you haven't noticed, Alanna Smith, Napheesa, and Bridget Carleton all have been a little more assertive since Hines-Allen has been added to the roster. It will be a tough series, but I like the Lynx's chances.
The Lynx performed better this season against the Aces and the Liberty though. I think of the three teams remaining the Sun and their defense are the worst match up left for them.
 
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The Lynx performed better this season against the Aces and the Liberty though. I think of the three teams remaining the Sun and their defense are the worst match up left for them.
I disagree but we shall see. I think we can handle Connecticut. I believe at one point in the season, Minny and Connecticut were 1 and 2 in defense, or some variation. I just know that they were right on each other's heels. The key down the stretch will be how well each team executes and handles the big moment.
 
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Got a few days off with no games so thought I'd post this here. Pretty good hot take on Clark in Washington Post piece.

A select group of NBA pensioners are sitting around these days saying, “Yeah, I played against Larry in ’84,” or “I played with Magic back then.” WNBAers eventually will say the same of Caitlin Clark, as soon as her rivals get over their finger-in-the-eye resentments of her. They’ll even boast about sharing the court with her, once they realize they haven’t been playing in her shadow, but rather, she has thrown light on their game. - Washington Post

"Gift" article linky:
 

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Yeah, we got those four sweeps. Obviously, I think it was pretty predictable. The four top teams were way better than teams 5-8.

Actually, I would say I was most surprised by the mercury. They were a lot closer than I expected. (And that makes me wonder if Connecticut will beat Minnesota.)
I wasn't surprised by the Mercury considering the personnel. The question was whether their talent could come together to steal a game and make it interesting. They almost achieved that in Game 1 after being down 23 points.

The Lynx, as good as they are defensively as a unit (the best in the league), are susceptible to uber athletic players who can generate scoring opportunities for themselves and/or for others. In other words, if your superstars are playing in concert, you can beat them because they do not have as many superstars as other contending teams. To me, their other superstar is the head coach and her uncanny ability of getting players to buy-in for the greater good. We'll have to see how that shakes out against a team that is as talented as the Mercury but far more disciplined.

There are a number of people on here who are adamant that the Liberty and Lynx (I think we all know why) will meet in the WNBA Finals and that neither Vegas (the two-time defending champs) nor Connecticut (who played in the Finals in 2022) have even the tiniest of shots, but I'm not one of them. I've repeatedly said that I would take "the field" over the Liberty winning the championship in 2024 and I do believe that the Sun, who actually won the season series against the Lynx and could've swept them, has a great chance of defeating the Lynx and returning to the WNBA Finals this year. The Marina Mabrey acquisition has not been discussed enough as a reason why the Sun could be dangerous moving forward.

If we do get that 2022 WNBA Finals rematch, I hope people tune in instead of complaining about who's missing.
 

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Has Nike fell off? Just read an interesting piece about their management of CC (lack of marketing her, lack of progress on CC shoe, etc.)

 
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Has Nike fell off? Just read an interesting piece about their management of CC (lack of marketing her, lack of progress on CC shoe, etc.)

It's an interesting opinion piece but it would have been nice if there was a real comparison as to how long it takes to get a shoe to market. For example, Ionescu's shoe would have been a good reference point for comparison as to whether Nike is really dragging their feet on the situation.

To compare the situation against Wilson feels like they want to fan flames a bit. And they don't even note when Wilson's shoe is expected to launch which is 2025. For all we know, there could be a similar timeline for Clark's and it isn't public.

Not to mention, anything that goes out with Clark's name has to be good quality. Last thing anyone wants to see is a poorly designed shoe that was rushed just to capitalize on the market because that would hurt both Clark's and Nike's brand. Do we want to see her shoe blow up while playing like Zion's shoe did while playing for Duke?
 

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Nah. As a Lynx fan, we want this match up. I use to worry about teams being physical with Minnesota but since we got Myisha Hines-Allen, I am not worried anymore. She brings that toughness that we lacked and if you haven't noticed, Alanna Smith, Napheesa, and Bridget Carleton all have been a little more assertive since Hines-Allen has been added to the roster. It will be a tough series, but I like the Lynx's chances.
I think the addition of Hines-Allen has worked beyond the expectations of those that made the trade for the Lynx. In addition to her toughness, she's an adept facilitator on offense, with high screens, quick ball movement which often result in "hockey assists." Great weak-side defense, too.

Connecticut has also benefited from a mid-season trade; that of Marina Mabrey. With her, the outside shooting and threat thereof is paramount, but she too brings other elements: more than willing to set screens in and around the paint to free up her teammates, before spinning out as a "pop" or doing it all over again. With Harris down, she's taking some turns from Thomas in facilitating the Sun offense and on the other side of the ball, she'll get to it on defense.

Both of these players will be critical to the teams in this series. BTW, the other note I have for Connecticut is Bonner is starting to assert herself on offense and defense. That will be necessary to slow down the 'Phee train.
 
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I have heard all of these players speak out against the Indiana fans.
Is there any video of such fans at Gainbridge or at other W venues? Or is it all social media? If it’s just social media, then calling them Fever or Clark fans seems like painting with a pretty broad brush.
 
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Sky firing Weatherspoon is a shocking and boneheaded move. Chicago had no business being anywhere but the basement of the league this year and I thought the fact she had them in playoff contention was an overachievement. Evidentially the front office thought otherwise. Hopefully T-Spoon will be a candidate for the Valkyries job. I am really shell-shocked and disappointed over this news.
 
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Is there any video of such fans at Gainbridge or at other W venues? Or is it all social media? If it’s just social media, then calling them Fever or Clark fans seems like painting with a pretty broad brush.

The was a fan at the suns game the other night. She posted pics of Clark fans showing their “colors”. It was disgusting. Also, lots on pics and posts on social media. Theres numerous pics of Clark as the officer kneeling on George Floyd with a players face. I don’t want to say there are fever fans but def Clark fans. There were other posts that I won’t get into it
 
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Is there any video of such fans at Gainbridge or at other W venues? Or is it all social media? If it’s just social media, then calling them Fever or Clark fans seems like painting with a pretty broad brush.
A broad brush maybe, but how else could it be categorized? There is a subset of people/fans who are supporters of Clark for whatever reason. It's also coming from those in social media who are taking advantage of the hype to gain a following for their own benefit. What's unfortunate is that it was allowed to fester up to this point.
 
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I wasn't surprised by the Mercury considering the personnel. The question was whether their talent could come together to steal a game and make it interesting. They almost achieved that in Game 1 after being down 23 points.

The Lynx, as good as they are defensively as a unit (the best in the league), are susceptible to uber athletic players who can generate scoring opportunities for themselves and/or for others. In other words, if your superstars are playing in concert, you can beat them because they do not have as many superstars as other contending teams. To me, their other superstar is the head coach and her uncanny ability of getting players to buy-in for the greater good. We'll have to see how that shakes out against a team that is as talented as the Mercury but far more disciplined.

There are a number of people on here who are adamant that the Liberty and Lynx (I think we all know why) will meet in the WNBA Finals and that neither Vegas (the two-time defending champs) nor Connecticut (who played in the Finals in 2022) have even the tiniest of shots, but I'm not one of them. I've repeatedly said that I would take "the field" over the Liberty winning the championship in 2024 and I do believe that the Sun, who actually won the season series against the Lynx and could've swept them, has a great chance of defeating the Lynx and returning to the WNBA Finals this year. The Marina Mabrey acquisition has not been discussed enough as a reason why the Sun could be dangerous moving forward.

If we do get that 2022 WNBA Finals rematch, I hope people tune in instead of complaining about who's missing.
I am a liberty fan and don't expect to see them in the final. I don't think the semifinal series with the aces goes beyond 4 games. Bad coaching and not a complete team. Some players are overrated.
Would like to see someone like Howard who can play all 3 frontcourt positions, and would give the Liberty a 3rd rebounder. Plus has proven to be an effective scorer even if the 3rd or 4th option.
Plus she has championship experience, has been there twice with Stewie, Sue, and Loyd.
She doesn't have to be the star but is good at doing all the little things that a championship team needs.
 

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