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XLCenterFan said:
Rahm gotta hold on here for me and it’s back to back weekends of bankroll boosters. Why work? So glad he held it down for The Tour. May LIV never capture a major! Get em boys.
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And yet LIV has 3 in the top 4 and ties, including a guy over 50. Not such a strong showing for PGA. Just saying.
 
Storrsbred said:
And yet LIV has 3 in the top 4 and ties, including a guy over 50. Not such a strong showing for PGA. Just saying.
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Sample size of 1. We will see how this plays out. I’ll keep this receipt.
 
Pissed Lefty played well screw him. Happy for Rahm a loyal outspoken PGA guy like he should be.

I do like Koepkas honest answer the other day on if he would’ve gone to LIV if he hadn’t been injured and not playing well when the offer came up. No matter glad he caught runner up tie with Phil at best.
 
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No qualms with Rahm winning. An alpha talent who dominated today.

Could care less about Brooks.

Wouldn't have minded a Phil win just to see all the meltdowns.
 


Yikes, LIV execs can’t be happy that after a good showing for the LIV guys, this is the statement Brooks makes.
 
Brooks, Phil and Reed all played very well. The rain kind of mucked everything up. But give Rahm credit, he earned it.

How does Spieth get in the top five every year? Every time they show him he is hitting the ball into the water or behind a tree. It's amazing.
 
Palatine said:
Brooks, Phil and Reed all played very well. The rain kind of mucked everything up. But give Rahm credit, he earned it.

How does Spieth get in the top five every year? Every time they show him he is hitting the ball into the water or behind a tree. It's amazing.
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Every time they showed him today he was draining putts. Every year except for the year he melted down on Sunday, he plays exceptionally well on Sunday.
 
WhereistheDove? said:


Yikes, LIV execs can’t be happy that after a good showing for the LIV guys, this is the statement Brooks makes.
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Except for DJ and maybe Reed, most of the guys who bailed were either perpetually injured or at or near the end of their peak.
 
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XLCenterFan said:
Except for DJ and maybe Reed, most of the guys who bailed were either perpetually injured or at or near the end of their peak.
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I mean it’s very apparent to everyone that most of the guys who took the bag were on the tail end of their PGA tour money-making career, I’m just sure that LIV isn’t too happy one of those guys came out and admitted it.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
I mean it’s very apparent to everyone that most of the guys who took the bag were on the tail end of their PGA tour money-making career, I’m just sure that LIV isn’t too happy one of those guys came out and admitted it.
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Brooks doesn’t strike me as the type to give a damn about anything. I like that about him. Probably the only LIV guy I can kinda get behind. I was team Brooksie in his spat with DeClownbo.
 
superjohn said:
I'm sure the charities who receive money from LIV appreciate it too.

I think LIV is stupid and I don't root for the players who left for it but I certainly don't support the ridiculous tax-exempt nonprofit status of the PGA.
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Well, that’s what I asked about. I don’t know if they donate to anyone, do you?

If churches can be tax exempt, golf should be.
 
I wonder how much Brooks would have to give back if he decided to rejoin PGA?

I have no doubt PGA would take him back.
 
storrsroars said:
I wonder how much Brooks would have to give back if he decided to rejoin PGA?

I have no doubt PGA would take him back.
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Reports are 3x to 4x their signing bonus (so $300-400M for Brooks. I had seen some question about whether that would be upheld in court, but I doubt anyone will be the person to try to set that precedent.

If LIV folds in a few years, which feels like a pretty strong possibility if they can’t flip some more mega names, will be interesting to see what happens then.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Reports are 3x to 4x their signing bonus (so $300-400M for Brooks. I had seen some question about whether that would be upheld in court, but I doubt anyone will be the person to try to set that precedent.

If LIV folds in a few years, which feels like a pretty strong possibility if they can’t flip some more mega names, will be interesting to see what happens then.
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LIV / PGA debate aside, the worst outcome in all of this is the fact that we will only get to see the best players playing against eachother 4 times per year and the Ryder Cup will also
not feature the best players from Europe or USA.
 
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EROCK CONN said:
LIV / PGA debate aside, the worst outcome in all of this is the fact that we will only get to see the best players playing against eachother 4 times per year and the Ryder Cup will also
not feature the best players from Europe or USA.
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Agreed, two watered down products is good for no one long term in a sport that already has aging viewership. There’s a reason almost every top sports league is a monopoly.
 
EROCK CONN said:
LIV / PGA debate aside, the worst outcome in all of this is the fact that we will only get to see the best players playing against eachother 4 times per year and the Ryder Cup will also
not feature the best players from Europe or USA.
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LIV doesn’t have the “best” players. Most of the LIV guys couldn’t sniff a top 20 on the PGA. I said most…before you lose your mind and remind me that 3 guys played well last weekend. Let’s see what those bums do at the US Open before we say they can still compete.
 
Think about it.

The ABA pushed the NBA. It was fresher, newer, more hip and it stole some big names for a short period of time. Same with the USFL. Don't forget, that league had Herschel Walker and Steve Young in it.

While the Masters is great, nostalgic and nice to feel like it's 1952 for a weekend....the PGA in total needs to get into the future with a social media presence and new, fresh coat of paint slapped on it. They'll learn what they need to do and eventually give in on enough to bring everything back to one league.
 
Deepster said:
Think about it.

The ABA pushed the NBA. It was fresher, newer, more hip and it stole some big names for a short period of time. Same with the USFL. Don't forget, that league had Herschel Walker and Steve Young in it.

While the Masters is great, nostalgic and nice to feel like it's 1952 for a weekend....the PGA in total needs to get into the future with a social media presence and new, fresh coat of paint slapped on it. They'll learn what they need to do and eventually give in on enough to bring everything back to one league.
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You’re very right that the PGA needed a kick in the pants to modernize and LIV promised that, but what a flop it’s been at delivering. The only benefit so far is it forced the PGA to finally do what everyone has been asking for in bringing all the top names together more often. Social media, broadcast, format, everything else that LIV had a chance to really do something cool with has been a total flop.
 
Storrsbred said:
And yet LIV has 3 in the top 4 and ties, including a guy over 50. Not such a strong showing for PGA. Just saying.
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They paid big money for good golfers, so having 3 experienced guys play well is not really a surprise. Augusta is a bit out an outlier as experience matters more here than any other major.

I’d be surprised if anyone outside of Brooks, Cam Smith or Reed play well rest of the majors. I think Reed needs to win a major this year or he may be in danger of an exemption for 3/4 majors going forward.

Was pulling hard for Rahmbo, but having Liv guys there made it interesting.

Hope the Liv guys don’t win anything and go back to anonymity for all but 4 weeks
 
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XLCenterFan said:
LIV doesn’t have the “best” players. Most of the LIV guys couldn’t sniff a top 20 on the PGA. I said most…before you lose your mind and remind me that 3 guys played well last weekend. Let’s see what those bums do at the US Open before we say they can still compete.
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Dude, lol, where did I say that LIV has the best players? Seriously …. good grief. Read much ?
 
EROCK CONN said:
Dude, lol, where did I say that LIV has the best players? Seriously …. good grief. Read much ?
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You literally said “we will only be able to see the best players playing against each other 4 times a year.”
 
XLCenterFan said:
You literally said “we will only be able to see the best players playing against each other 4 times a year.”
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I’m well aware of what I said. Now, please show me where I said the LIV tour has the best players.
 
EROCK CONN said:
I’m well aware of what I said. Now, please show me where I said the LIV tour has the best players.
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Well LIV does have 8 of the top 20 from the final 2021 FedEx Cup standings. Which didn't include Phil or Brooks. So I don't know what XL.considers a top player.
 
XLCenterFan said:
It was implied in your statement. Anyone reading that would infer that. Thank you for clarifying.
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Again, please show me where I said LIV has the best players.

I disagree strongly that my post implied LIV had better players than the PGA and that anyone reading my post would infer same (as of right now, you are the only one who interpreted my post this way).

To be perfectly clear as to not easily confuse, I said, "the worst outcome in all of this is the fact that we will only get to see the best players playing against each other 4 times per year and the Ryder Cup will also not feature the best players from Europe or USA." Best players would mean best players -- regardless of tour. In absolutely no way shape or form did I opine in any way as to the comparative strength of LIV vs the PGA. My post also opened up with "LIV / PGA debate aside."
 
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