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I like Jayden Daniels a lot too he isn’t Burrow but a bit of that Burrow moxie he will shoot up the draft board. If a franchise qb is there you have to take him now if they miss out on one of the top guys you don’t take a qb for the sake of taking one it’s how we missed out on taking Micah Parsons after the Eagles traded up for Devante Smith we chose Kaddarius Toney as a reaction move, you could still land a qb in rd 2 we have 2 2nd rd picks.
 
HeGotGame said:
Oh, and here is the QBs taken in the top 5 the last 5 years. Lawrence, Burrow, Young, Stroud, Wilson, Lance, and Tua. 4 no doubt franchise QB.
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Four?

Lawrence, without question. I wanted him from halfway through his freshman year at Clemson.

Burrow, yes (although nobody would have believed this until his last year at LSU). When he beat Bama (a loaded Bama team) he showed something, the ability to rise critical spots, something very few can do.

Tua, maybe. Jury is still out. I'm rooting for the kid, and he is in an excellent situation to excel, but he hasn't yet reached the no doubt level.

Stroud, very possible (still don't know why he wasn't the first pick last year). I really liked his guts when they almost beat Georgia. He did have quite a few brain fart moments throughout his collegiate career and he still has quite a bit to do to become a no doubt franchise QB but it can happen.

Young? He'll need beyond an ideal situation just to reach good results.

Wilson, Lance. well.....

Even if it does reach four, that would be a 57% success rate. I'm not sure that would fly anywhere other than football when teams are taking shots in the dark to land a QB.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Are you a child?

The Bengals had every opportunity to select Juedy over Burrow. The Jags had every opportunity to select Chase over Lawrence, followed by the Jets, then the 49ers (who paid a king's ransom for that pick).

When did I ever say I wanted Shadeur Sanders?

On the track record of early picks: a) I was accused of cherry picking (by Navery) when I pointed out the success (more accurately failure) rate of early pick QB's. Over the time frame that I mentioned, you selected (cherry picked may be more accurate) the only two who don't fall into either the category of failure or the jury is still out.

First question for you: How many Lincoln Riley QB's have been picked early in recent drafts?
Next question: How many of the above don't qualify as failures?
Additional question: Caleb Williams is being developed by who?

You posted that Williams and Maye are widely considered better than anyone coming into the draft next year. In and around Veteran's Day 2018 how many then senior QB's were widely considered better than Joe Burrow?

When he entered the draft with eligibility remaining, Patrick Mahomes was given a third round grade by the panel that reviews early entrants and advised by them (and many teams) to return to school to try to improve his draft grade. When the Chiefs traded (with a team that needed a QB) and selected him, many criticized the move. The experts don't have quite the expertise at evaluating QB's as they do at other positions.

The reality is that there is more reason to believe that Williams and Maye will not end up being anything than there is to believe they will. In all candor, a pick as high as what we will have in the first round next spring needs to hit at a 95+% rate. QBs selected that high aren't hitting at 40%

Tell me, what is it about your evaluation of either Williams or Maye that tells you he will be top tier QB? From what I've read, you have a strong belief that at least one will be a star. to be a top pick, I would imagine that the player needs to project to be a star.

Next question: For the sake of argument, let's say we can't beat the Patriots when we play them and end up picking third (after Chicago, with Carolina's pick and Arizona). Also, for the sake of argument, let's say Arizona puts their pick up for auction (we can assume they still believe in Murray) and Chicago decides to select the QB you do not prefer (out of Williams and Maye). Would you try to work out a trade with Arizona and what would you offer? Please be realistic in this as teams tend to throw quite a bit of draft capital to move up one or two spots to pick a QB.
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I am glad you base your opinions on things like Lincoln Riley QBs and QB draft success rate as opposed to looking at the actual player. I am sure the Chiefs wished they did the same with Texas Tech QBs.

Your for argument sake does not even make sense. If the Giants lose out they will pick 1 or 2. Period. I also made it perfectly clear to you that if you are in position with your pick to draft Williams or Maye you do it, especially over the ridiculous idea of drafting a WR and then next year trading up and giving away picks in a terrible QB class. Also, the fact you could say you want to trade up into the top 5 for a QB next year but babble on and on about QBs lack of success rate drafted in the top 5 is a special kind of special.

Maye, who has been running an NFL offense at UNC, has incredible accuracy in making down field throws. His ability to attack the intermediate and the vertical outside the numbers is a perfect for the Daboll offense and is similar to what Josh Allen does. He is also very athletics and does a great job of creating and improvising under pressure and when the pocket collapse. Go watch the Pitt game from this year. Incredible display of arm strength, accuracy, and mobility.

Or here watch these throws someone nicely complied into a tweet. 2 from the Pitt game I referenced. https://twitter.com/j_rosen12/status/1723742309118775613?s=20

You have not been able to articulate anything other than drafting a QB early is a crapshoot. Yea obviously, but that should not stop a team from taking one if they believe they are franchise QB.
 
Can’t trot out Devito again next week, have to at least look like you’re trying to win.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
Can’t trot out Devito again next week, have to at least look like you’re trying to win.
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2 tds, garbage tds gets Devito another start, but should play Barkley at least to get Hyatt some actual NFL routes.
 
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HeGotGame said:
What are you even talking about?

The giants have the 3rd pick right now and are starting Tommy Devito. Are you under some assumption this team is going to win more than 1 game from here on out? At this rate the Giants will have a top 2 pick and can draft Maye or Williams without all that other nonsense you wrote about.
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You do have to play the Patriots. So that might be one.
 
HuskyHawk said:
You do have to play the Patriots. So that might be one.
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Nah that offense is so much better than ours. And our defense seems to have lost their zest for football. 2 wins is all the GMen are getting.
 
mauconnfan said:
Nah that offense is so much better than ours. And our defense seems to have lost their zest for football. 2 wins is all the GMen are getting.
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The Pats offense is as bad as any. The defense is better than the Giants’ is through.
 
Would we really want Caleb Williams as our qb, I say he’ll ya but crying in your moms arms is a bit of a red flag, I just hope he would be able to handle NY.
 
HuskyHawk said:
The Pats offense is as bad as any. The defense is better than the Giants’ is through.
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Nope check the Giants offensive numbers none are close. Pats move the ball occasionally only to throw a pick or fumble Giants go 3 and out no chance to throw a pick :D
 
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Scoe said:
Would we really want Caleb Williams as our qb, I say he’ll ya but crying in your moms arms is a bit of a red flag, I just hope he would be able to handle NY.
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Yes
 
mauconnfan said:
Nope check the Giants offensive numbers none are close. Pats move the ball occasionally only to throw a pick or fumble Giants go 3 and out no chance to throw a pick :D
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It seems the Giants utterly failed at the task at hand. Maybe that’s good. There are two stud OT prospects around the 5-6 spots and pairing them with Jones is probably a better use of resources than rolling the dice on a QB.
 
HuskyHawk said:
It seems the Giants utterly failed at the task at hand. Maybe that’s good. There are two stud OT prospects around the 5-6 spots and pairing them with Jones is probably a better use of resources than rolling the dice on a QB.
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No. Jones just ain’t it. Devito just threw more passing TDs in this game than DJ had all season. We need a QB.
 
Jones might have to retire. If a franchise qb isn’t there in rd 1 you don’t take a qb for the sake of taking one, you take MHJ or one of the tackles someone you won’t have a chance of getting in rd 2 and the Giants have 2 2nd picks.

I’m kind of losing some faith in Caleb Williams not talking to the media after the loss the other day that will not fly in NY and in NFL locker rooms.
 
It was a despicable display by the Commanders. For the second time this year, they made the Giants' Defense look like the '85 Bears, and allowed a subpar back up QB, this time undrafted, look like Joe Montana. Rivera and Del Rio should be locked out of the complex this morning.

Scoe said:
Jones might have to retire. If a franchise qb isn’t there in rd 1 you don’t take a qb for the sake of taking one, you take MHJ or one of the tackles someone you won’t have a chance of getting in rd 2 and the Giants have 2 2nd picks.

I’m kind of losing some faith in Caleb Williams not talking to the media after the loss the other day that will not fly in NY and in NFL locker rooms.
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I'm not sure what Jones retiring has to do with possibly selecting a 1st round QB. I doubt Jones is going to retire, but he may have started his last game for the Giants and is probably not playing for the them in 2025. Whoever the Giants pick at QB in the draft should also come with a mid level free agent. The rookie should marinate in the system for a bit and Jones, if he returns from the ACL by the end of the season, should be a $47 million tackling dummy. The Giants may not win many games next year either, but they'd be set up for 2025.
 
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Based on the schedules of the other bottom feeders, if the Giants end the season with only 3 wins the worst pick they could have is 3rd.

The Patriots are favored coming into Giants Stadium this weekend. My worry is for the second week in a row the Giants will have the best QB on the field.

Big takeaway from yesterday is Riveria needs to go, not that this is breaking news. Daboll coached circles around him. Oh, and Howell stinks.
 
How is everyone on the Giants side enjoying the Tank Bowl. Two Toilet offenses battling to see who can bring home the L.
 
HuskyHawk said:
How is everyone on the Giants side enjoying the Tank Bowl. Two Toilet offenses battling to see who can bring home the L.
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Ready for the Giants to win this game and set their franchise back another decade
 
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