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I haven't seen enough of LSU to know, but if I remember right, there were several questions about positions for certain players and chemistry heading into the season. Everyone knew Kim had acquired a ton of talent, but the fit was more in question. Reese didn't really want to be a 5, Morrow was probably going to play some at the 3, and Hailey Van Lith at the point.

With Morrow's track record from deep and Hailey Van Lith's previous roles being an undersized SG, it sounded to some like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Kim accepted a major challenge bringing the portal talent onboard and trying to figure out how to make it work and the team become an efficient unit.

So at this point from afar it seems to me that Morrow has been a major addition, but both she and Reese are best at the 4, and expecting Morrow to be a 3pt shooter looks like a false hope. With Hailey Van Lith I know she has had injury issues, but has she been able to make the conversion to PG when needed effectively? Seems like a team with tons of talent that is still trying to figure it out. Curious what the people who see most of their games think.
This. I wondered how Reese and Morrow would play together and also if VL would be effective at point. Yesterday it looked painful as LSU struggled against an Auburn team that played well but isn't going to scare many opponents.

The final play call for Reese was a very poor decision by Kim. Angel was sloppy all game and tried to force too much when it was crunch time even before the end of the game.
 
Is that how it is?
Yes it is. The Big Ten tiers based on expected finish, so good teams play more games against the expected good teams, and bottom teams play more games against expected bottom teams:

“The Big Ten women's basketball schedule is determined annually based on predicted order of finish. The teams were tiered into like groups and those tiers were used to mathematically develop a competitively-balanced and equitable 18-game conference schedule with teams playing similar tiered teams more frequently.”

 
Is that how it is? I'm surprised the Big Ten doesn't have designated groupings who play each other twice, leaving one game each for the remaining teams.

The ACC has three pods. Teams within each pod play each other twice. Then, the other conference teams are played once.

Pod 1: Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Pod 2: Duke, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Pod 3: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest

See your point, however the Big Ten model tries to ensure the top teams face each other twice a season, which helps provide some drama. The ACC model outlined doesn't. Mind you, there will be changes for the 2024-2025 season with 4 teams joining, so who knows going forward?
 
See your point, however the Big Ten model tries to ensure the top teams face each other twice a season, which helps provide some drama. The ACC model outlined doesn't. Mind you, there will be changes for the 2024-2025 season with 4 teams joining, so who knows going forward?
I agree. It just so happens that in the last few seasons, NC State's pod has been the most difficult. With the unbalanced scheduling, the current pod setup benefits those who play in weak pods for final conference standing (and claiming one of those precious double-byes needed to truly make a run at the ACCT title). If there was a power shift among the pods, I'd be all for it...but Pitt and BC don't show any signs of posing a significant threat in the northern pod...and Florida State seems to be the only dominant team in the southern pod.

That middle pod, though...geez, it's going to be a battle (and increased wear and tear on bodies) every night.
 
She did credit Auburn, however quotes like these tend to negate it.

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I agree. It just so happens that in the last few seasons, NC State's pod has been the most difficult. With the unbalanced scheduling, the current pod setup benefits those who play in weak pods for final conference standing (and claiming one of those precious double-byes needed to truly make a run at the ACCT title). If there was a power shift among the pods, I'd be all for it...but Pitt and BC don't show any signs of posing a significant threat in the northern pod...and Florida State seems to be the only dominant team in the southern pod.

That middle pod, though...geez, it's going to be a battle (and increased wear and tear on bodies) every night.

Don't get me started
 
...The SEC plays only 16 conference games, and seems to protect its good teams so for the second year in a row we have 1 regular season matchup between USC and LSU.
Particularly nefarious the way teams plan when to be good based on the rotating schedule. Everyone not named Iowa's winless record against the top 25 suggests that the extra two games is not the grind supporters suggest
 
My comment was alluding to the fact that there is less drop off in the SEC conference than other conferences when looking at the lower ranks, but lack of press leaves an assumption that the SEC is just like a typical conference where the bottom teams look drastically different than the top teams. I would argue that there isn't much drop off between the #3 and #12 teams in conference. I don't think any conference except for the PAC-12 can make that kind of claim this season.
If you look at objective measures like Massey conference tables the SEC looks remarkably like every other P5 conference. For example SEC third team is ranked 32 twelfth 61. Big 15 & 124. ACC 16 & 75. Big 12 11 & 80. Pac 8 & 102.

I don't see the difference using objective measures. Actually your Pac12 listing looks worse than several others. Is there some deeper level of analysis? I admit I just looked and didn't do any averaging of teams 3-12.

If you look at his conference list that includes all teams the ratings are very close.
Fyi some of the pages used: Massey Ratings - Southeastern Conference
 
She did credit Auburn, however quotes like these tend to negate it.

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That's a poor excuse unless coach Mulkey let them go out and party after the game. I prefer coaches who recognize the opponent, admit mistakes and commit to learning from them. LSU had a poor game for them and she made some poor decisions. Learn and improve don't hide behind excuses. At least that's my opinion.
 
If you look at objective measures like Massey conference tables the SEC looks remarkably like every other P5 conference. For example SEC third team is ranked 32 twelfth 61. Big 15 & 124. ACC 16 & 75. Big 12 11 & 80. Pac 8 & 102.

I don't see the difference using objective measures. Actually your Pac12 listing looks worse than several others. Is there some deeper level of analysis? I admit I just looked and didn't do any averaging of teams 3-12.

If you look at his conference list that includes all teams the ratings are very close.
Fyi some of the pages used: Massey Ratings - Southeastern Conference
My observation wasn't an analytical one. I've seen at least one game from every SEC team with the exception of Arkansas, plus I've watched a lot of games across different conferences. It was more an observation that most SEC teams feel about the same in talent. Actually I think your stat proves that. There is only a 30 team gap between #3 and #12 in the rankings whereas there are larger gaps in every other conference.
 
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That's a poor excuse unless coach Mulkey let them go out and party after the game. I prefer coaches who recognize the opponent, admit mistakes and commit to learning from them. LSU had a poor game for them and she made some poor decisions. Learn and improve don't hide behind excuses. At least that's my opinion.
She must have joined her team at the men's game because that Reese call was...duh. She has two of the best rebounders in wcbb! At least get a shot off and take your chances you get a put back.
 
That's a poor excuse unless coach Mulkey let them go out and party after the game. I prefer coaches who recognize the opponent, admit mistakes and commit to learning from them. LSU had a poor game for them and she made some poor decisions. Learn and improve don't hide behind excuses. At least that's my opinion.
If you actually listened to the interview, she held herself accountable by stating that she may have made a mistake by doing something out of the norm by allowing the team to attend the game. She was not stating that they were “lacking enthusiasm” because they went to the game. She was stating that she is a creature of habit by not allowing the team to leave the hotel the night before a game. Please stop spreading unfounded rumors and misinformation to further this negative narrative about Coach Mulkey.
 
If you actually listened to the interview, she held herself accountable by stating that she may have made a mistake by doing something out of the norm by allowing the team to attend the game. She was not stating that they were “lacking enthusiasm” because they went to the game. She was stating that she is a creature of habit by not allowing the team to leave the hotel the night before a game. Please stop spreading unfounded rumors and misinformation to further this negative narrative about Coach Mulkey.

If she went against her usual habit of keeping the team at the hotel, is it not the same thing? Maybe framing it as "lack of enthusiasm" was an embellishment on their part but it still sounds like they're making the same point you are.
 
If you actually listened to the interview, she held herself accountable by stating that she may have made a mistake by doing something out of the norm by allowing the team to attend the game. She was not stating that they were “lacking enthusiasm” because they went to the game. She was stating that she is a creature of habit by not allowing the team to leave the hotel the night before a game. Please stop spreading unfounded rumors and misinformation to further this negative narrative about Coach Mulkey.
I said nothing about enthusiasm. I said they played a poor game and she made poor decisions during the game. I don't like the excuse of watching the mens game, just accept she erred and the team played poorly. Learn from it and go on.

Do I like Mulkey? No. I don't like her scheduling nor how she treats her players but that has little to do with her in game mistakes.
 
If you actually listened to the interview, she held herself accountable by stating that she may have made a mistake by doing something out of the norm by allowing the team to attend the game. She was not stating that they were “lacking enthusiasm” because they went to the game. She was stating that she is a creature of habit by not allowing the team to leave the hotel the night before a game. Please stop spreading unfounded rumors and misinformation to further this negative narrative about Coach Mulkey.
On reflection I'm going to try to ignore your posts. You're going to praise her no matter what she does. I give her credit for winning but I'll never like how she does it. So bye.
 
My observation wasn't an analytical one. I've seen at least one game from every SEC team with the exception of Arkansas, plus I've watched a lot of games across different conferences. It was more an observation that most SEC teams feel about the same in talent. Actually I think your stat proves that. There is only a 30 team gap between #3 and #12 in the rankings whereas there are larger gaps in every other conference.
So you're pleased that the third SEC team is 24 to 16 places worse than any other conference? And that other conferences, some with only 12 teams, have an awful bottom end?
Choosing 3-12 the SEC starts out worse but doesn't get as bad as fast as other conferences. I'm not sure what that gets you.
 
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So you're pleased that the third SEC team is 24 to 16 places worse than any other conference? And that other conferences, some with only 12 teams, have an awful bottom end?
Choosing 3-12 the SEC starts out worse but doesn't get as bad as fast as other conferences. I'm not sure what that gets you.
Lol you're putting words in my mouth and changing the conversation to a topic of your choosing. I never said I was pleased, nor was that the intent of my observation.
 
Lol you're putting words in my mouth and changing the conversation to a topic of your choosing. I never said I was pleased, nor was that the intent of my observation.
That was how I interpreted your comment. At least we learned some irrelevant facts.
 
I don't think the SEC is particularly strong in its depth to be honest.

The non-conference doesn't really support it.

The league has a lot of respectable teams like most power leagues do. It's better than some, I guess.
 

Sorry I can't give Hailey Van Lith any slack. Whether it was her fault or not she was involved in Miles injury and her being associated with Walz and Louisville for so long is too much for me. I admit it's not fair.
 
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Sorry I can't give Hailey Van Lith any slack. Whether it was her fault or not she was involved in Miles injury and her being associated with Walz and Louisville for so long is too much for me. I admit it's not fair.
"Involved in Miles injury"?? What exactly was her culpability in this incident? She was literally just standing on the court.
 
"Involved in Miles injury"?? What exactly was her culpability in this incident? She was literally just standing on the court.
Watch the replay. One player bumped her and Hailey Van Lith reached in across her body. Maybe neither contact caused it or maybe they did or maybe it would have happened anyway but she did more than stand on the court. Are you going to argue that she was never a member of Walz teams too?

I didn't say she caused it I said involved in.
 
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Watch the replay. One player bumped her and Hailey Van Lith reached in across her body. Maybe neither contact caused it or maybe they did but she did more than stand on the court.

Good lord almighty. Quite the creative approach to facts and reality.

Let's contrast that with what Citron did later in the game when she drove straight into Van Lith and elbowed her in the face.

 
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I saw the play. Please tell me what she did that was so malicious.
I never used that word you did I said involved. I repeat. "Watch the replay. One player bumped her and Hailey Van Lith reached in across her body. Maybe neither contact caused it or maybe they did or maybe it would have happened anyway but she did more than stand on the court."
Did Citron's foul end Hailey Van Lith's season? No. Was it malicious? You answer that but be careful because you might open a door.
 
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