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Drew said:
So funny reading the reactions to the Frost firing from people who aren’t close to the situation. $7.5M is NOTHING to DONU. About to launch our fourth donor led collective- existing ones all are well resourced including ABM which was led by one of Frost’s old friends (and former Husker Athletics employee) and has raised $5M in just over the last year alone for direct NIL payments

NU shouldn’t have fired Bo Pelini? Both sides were about to kill one another. NU athletics administration hated Bo and Bo didn’t want to work for them anymore. NU regularly lost games by 30+ points multiple times per year despite having the talent to win those games. Remember the 2012 Big Ten title game v 7-5 Wisconsin? Bo also pissed off numerous donors and was caught ON TAPE blasting the NU fanbase. It was toxic and both parties were ready to move on.

Frost was a lazy coach who tried to bring back the 1990s. Built the roster to 150 guys, mirrored old 90s nutrition (Coach Ellis still there) with a terrible S&C program and constantly compared things to the “old days”. Scott got himself fired because he couldn’t keep the talent he got on campus and ran a circus behind the scenes.

NU is in a great position to land a good coach this cycle and I greatly appreciate Trevs comments about not living in the past and think he has a good mindset/approach moving forward. Nebraska is a good job with great resources and tradition in one of the two leagues that matter. I’m excited to see who winds up in Lincoln
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Nebraska has great tradition and a loyal fan base, but they do have a number of disadvantages when it comes to college football. UCF does not have the tradition or fan base that Nebraska has, but they do have many advantages. I think being successful at Nebraska requires different coaching skills than succeeding at UCF.

When I graduated college, I worked with a Nebraska grad and we used to go to his house to watch the Nebraska game (it was one of the few college football games on TV) in his room filled with Nebraska memorabilia. Kids from all over the country wanted to play for Nebraska as they were one of the top teams and they were always on TV. I remember a top running back from Connecticut, Doug DuBose, who went to Nebraska, but I doubt he would have ended up at Nebraska today.

I posted this earlier in the thread, but I'll repeat it here:

Personally, I think Frost had better athletes at UCF than he had at Nebraska even though the recruiting rankings are higher at Nebraska. Since 2018, UCF has had 12 NFL draft picks (10 non-linemen) and Nebraska has had 8 NFL draft picks (3 non-linemen).

There are probably >10x the football recruits within 500 miles of UCF than there are to Nebraska. And, if a kid from Florida wants to transfer closer to home, UCF is an attractive landing spot. You know what's shocking to me? Nebraska has only 8 players from Florida on the current roster even though Frost was the head coach.

And, I think people who have not been playing sports against UCF and USF don't realize how these schools have grown over time and they are shocked when they look closer at the schools. In US News' recent rankings both UCF (137) and USF (97) are rated higher than Nebraska (151) and both are in the top 15 based on enrollment.
 
UConnJim said:
Nebraska has great tradition and a loyal fan base, but they do have a number of disadvantages when it comes to college football. UCF does not have the tradition or fan base that Nebraska has, but they do have many advantages. I think being successful at Nebraska requires different coaching skills than succeeding at UCF.

When I graduated college, I worked with a Nebraska grad and we used to go to his house to watch the Nebraska game (it was one of the few college football games on TV) in his room filled with Nebraska memorabilia. Kids from all over the country wanted to play for Nebraska as they were one of the top teams and they were always on TV. I remember a top running back from Connecticut, Doug DuBose, who went to Nebraska, but I doubt he would have ended up at Nebraska today.

I posted this earlier in the thread, but I'll repeat it here:

Personally, I think Frost had better athletes at UCF than he had at Nebraska even though the recruiting rankings are higher at Nebraska. Since 2018, UCF has had 12 NFL draft picks (10 non-linemen) and Nebraska has had 8 NFL draft picks (3 non-linemen).

There are probably >10x the football recruits within 500 miles of UCF than there are to Nebraska. And, if a kid from Florida wants to transfer closer to home, UCF is an attractive landing spot. You know what's shocking to me? Nebraska has only 8 players from Florida on the current roster even though Frost was the head coach.

And, I think people who have not been playing sports against UCF and USF don't realize how these schools have grown over time and they are shocked when they look closer at the schools. In US News' recent rankings both UCF (137) and USF (97) are rated higher than Nebraska (151) and both are in the top 15 based on enrollment.
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I would love to hear from you what the number of disadvantages are that Nebraska has compared to the advantages that UCF has specifically around running a high end college football program. Despite the obvious advantage in proximity to talent that UCF has, Nebraska has regularly out recruited the Knights and averages top 25 classes. They have the fourth most talent per the 247 talent composite in the Big Ten. So would love to hear you make the argument there and cover the other “numerous” disadvantages NU has in your mind.

If anything, Scott has done a fairly great job recruiting skill player talent to NU over the last 5 years. Keeping them on campus has been the problem. What kills NU is the complete lack of focus and development on the OL and DL. They are soft as dog poo on both sides of the ball and get pushed around up front.

You also mention transfers when NU pulled in 15 last year and has one of the largest NIL operations in the country, beating Texas for Ochaun Mathis, bringing in Casey Thompson, etc.

There’s no doubt that NU will not repeat 1990-1997 again in the future. I don’t know a single person that thinks that that kind of run is possible at virtually any program outside of Alabama. Hell OSU and UGA haven’t been able to produce a run like that. But to think that NU isn’t positioned well enough to compete at the top end of the Big Ten when teams like Wisconsin and Iowa are doing it with significantly less resources and talented rosters is just dumb.
 
All Nebraska needs is a DC that understands the B1G and an OC that can keep up with Wisconsin, Purdue and OSU. Is that too much to ask?

All joking aside, Nebraska will probably be digging itself out of a hole for a couple years so hopefully they hire a guy that fans and donors are patient with.
 
Drew said:
I would love to hear from you what the number of disadvantages are that Nebraska has compared to the advantages that UCF has specifically around running a high end college football program. Despite the obvious advantage in proximity to talent that UCF has, Nebraska has regularly out recruited the Knights and averages top 25 classes. They have the fourth most talent per the 247 talent composite in the Big Ten. So would love to hear you make the argument there and cover the other “numerous” disadvantages NU has in your mind.

If anything, Scott has done a fairly great job recruiting skill player talent to NU over the last 5 years. Keeping them on campus has been the problem. What kills NU is the complete lack of focus and development on the OL and DL. They are soft as dog poo on both sides of the ball and get pushed around up front.

You also mention transfers when NU pulled in 15 last year and has one of the largest NIL operations in the country, beating Texas for Ochaun Mathis, bringing in Casey Thompson, etc.

There’s no doubt that NU will not repeat 1990-1997 again in the future. I don’t know a single person that thinks that that kind of run is possible at virtually any program outside of Alabama. Hell OSU and UGA haven’t been able to produce a run like that. But to think that NU isn’t positioned well enough to compete at the top end of the Big Ten when teams like Wisconsin and Iowa are doing it with significantly less resources and talented rosters is just dumb.
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Nebraska's biggest disadvantage relative to UCF is access to recruits. And, outside of maybe the top 500 recruits, the recruiting rankings are not that accurate so overall recruiting rankings if you are not loading up on 4 or 5 star are not that important. And, the NFL seems to think UCF has had more top end talent than Nebraska as since 2018, UCF has had 12 NFL draft picks to Nebraska's 8 even though UCF had lower rated recruiting classes. Although I'm skeptical about ranking most 3* recruits, UCF's HS recruits in 2022 had a slightly higher average rating on 24/7 87.08 vs. Nebraska at 87.03 and they have a higher rating for 2023, 88.11 for UCF vs. 87.76 for Nebraska.

As for transfers, Nebraska pulled in 15 transfers last year rated 3 4*s, 10 3*s, and 2 2*s, but lost to the portal 3 4*s, 13 3*s, and 1 2*, so I think the portal was a neutral for Nebraska last year. Yes, Mathis was a good get, but 1 player does not make a class. And, look at the UCF portal wins last year: they got 8 HS 4*s and 4 HS 3*s. The difference between Nebraska and UCF transfers is Nebraska has to use NIL and UCF is attracting kids who want to come home to Florida. The disadvantage for Nebraska for transfers is location/climate.
 
UConnJim said:
Nebraska's biggest disadvantage relative to UCF is access to recruits. And, outside of maybe the top 500 recruits, the recruiting rankings are not that accurate so overall recruiting rankings if you are not loading up on 4 or 5 star are not that important. And, the NFL seems to think UCF has had more top end talent than Nebraska as since 2018, UCF has had 12 NFL draft picks to Nebraska's 8 even though UCF had lower rated recruiting classes. Although I'm skeptical about ranking most 3* recruits, UCF's HS recruits in 2022 had a slightly higher average rating on 24/7 87.08 vs. Nebraska at 87.03 and they have a higher rating for 2023, 88.11 for UCF vs. 87.76 for Nebraska.

As for transfers, Nebraska pulled in 15 transfers last year rated 3 4*s, 10 3*s, and 2 2*s, but lost to the portal 3 4*s, 13 3*s, and 1 2*, so I think the portal was a neutral for Nebraska last year. Yes, Mathis was a good get, but 1 player does not make a class. And, look at the UCF portal wins last year: they got 8 HS 4*s and 4 HS 3*s. The difference between Nebraska and UCF transfers is Nebraska has to use NIL and UCF is attracting kids who want to come home to Florida. The disadvantage for Nebraska for transfers is location/climate.
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Got it- so instead of saying Nebraska has “a number of disadvantages” compared to UCF in your previous post, you could’ve just said “Nebraska isn’t located in the state of Florida”.

Btw- previous years rolling NFL Draft picks is a horrendous way to evaluate indvidual year roster talent. Here’s the 247 Talent Composite for 2022. Nebraska is 24th OVR, 4th in the B1G, 1st in the B1G West. Central Florida is 10 spots below at 34 OVR (Their highest rating ever).

If there’s any more of the numerous “disadvantages” you claim NU has compared to UCF or the rest of their immediate peers (Big Ten West)- please point them out to me. Amassing talent at a good enough level to be a top end Big Ten team has not and will not be an issue at NU.
 
CL82 said:
Whenever someone mentions Diaco, we should all have a shot.
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Just put him above a dunk Tank at a dollar a pop. That way UCONN could pay off Ollie's ridiculous add on bonus
 
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jackl said:
Just put him above a dunk Tank at a dollar a pop. That way UCONN could pay off Ollie's ridiculous add on bonus
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Lol, and then there would be a thread on the basketball board about all the yarders who were getting Tommy John surgery after throwing out their arms.
 
I feel like Al Iverson - Nebraska? We’re talking’ bout Nebraska? Nebraska?

I’m thrilled they have institutional advantages they can’t bring to bear in any meaningful way in any (revenue) sport there is - or has for over 25 years. WTF cares about the program outside the guys respobsible for putting beef on our tables?
 
Drew said:
So funny reading the reactions to the Frost firing from people who aren’t close to the situation. $7.5M is NOTHING to DONU. About to launch our fourth donor led collective- existing ones all are well resourced including ABM which was led by one of Frost’s old friends (and former Husker Athletics employee) and has raised $5M in just over the last year alone for direct NIL payments

NU shouldn’t have fired Bo Pelini? Both sides were about to kill one another. NU athletics administration hated Bo and Bo didn’t want to work for them anymore. NU regularly lost games by 30+ points multiple times per year despite having the talent to win those games. Remember the 2012 Big Ten title game v 7-5 Wisconsin? Bo also pissed off numerous donors and was caught ON TAPE blasting the NU fanbase. It was toxic and both parties were ready to move on.

Frost was a lazy coach who tried to bring back the 1990s. Built the roster to 150 guys, mirrored old 90s nutrition (Coach Ellis still there) with a terrible S&C program and constantly compared things to the “old days”. Scott got himself fired because he couldn’t keep the talent he got on campus and ran a circus behind the scenes.

NU is in a great position to land a good coach this cycle and I greatly appreciate Trevs comments about not living in the past and think he has a good mindset/approach moving forward. Nebraska is a good job with great resources and tradition in one of the two leagues that matter. I’m excited to see who winds up in Lincoln
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Nebraska's best days are in the rearview. This is magic thinking.
 
Drew said:
Got it- so instead of saying Nebraska has “a number of disadvantages” compared to UCF in your previous post, you could’ve just said “Nebraska isn’t located in the state of Florida”.

Btw- previous years rolling NFL Draft picks is a horrendous way to evaluate indvidual year roster talent. Here’s the 247 Talent Composite for 2022. Nebraska is 24th OVR, 4th in the B1G, 1st in the B1G West. Central Florida is 10 spots below at 34 OVR (Their highest rating ever).

If there’s any more of the numerous “disadvantages” you claim NU has compared to UCF or the rest of their immediate peers (Big Ten West)- please point them out to me. Amassing talent at a good enough level to be a top end Big Ten team has not and will not be an issue at NU.
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Another advantage is perception among young athletes. Ask teenagers who they think has more football history, Nebraska or UCF? Most would say UCF as UCF has performed better in recent times than Nebraska including the "national championship". Think about this, the last NFL 1st round pick from Nebraska was in 2011 and UCF has had 3 1st rounders since.

You say the "24/7 Talent Composite" shows Nebraska is better than UCF. Don't you think many Nebraska commits experience rating inflation? Case in point from 2022. Jake Appleget an edge from Nebraska was a 2* recruit rated 79 by 24/7. On 6/1, Nebraska offers him and on 6/2 his rating is upgraded to 84 3*. He ends up rated at 87 3*. Maybe he should have been highly rated, I don't know, but this is what happens when a kid commits to a P5 program with lots of fans who pay for recruiting sites.

When I was young, Nebraska was a hot program that good football players wanted to go to. Those days are long in the past. Now Nebraska has more money and a better conference than most schools, but not everyone wants to go live in Nebraska especially if the team is mediocre or worse. I'm not wishing Nebraska to be bad, in fact I want them to be a good team, but I'm not sure Nebraska can figure out what they need to do.
 
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UConnJim said:
Another advantage is perception among young athletes. Ask teenagers who they think has more football history, Nebraska or UCF? Most would say UCF as UCF has performed better in recent times than Nebraska including the "national championship". Think about this, the last NFL 1st round pick from Nebraska was in 2011 and UCF has had 3 1st rounders since.

You say the "24/7 Talent Composite" shows Nebraska is better than UCF. Don't you think many Nebraska commits experience rating inflation? Case in point from 2022. Jake Appleget an edge from Nebraska was a 2* recruit rated 79 by 24/7. On 6/1, Nebraska offers him and on 6/2 his rating is upgraded to 84 3*. He ends up rated at 87 3*. Maybe he should have been highly rated, I don't know, but this is what happens when a kid commits to a P5 program with lots of fans who pay for recruiting sites.

When I was young, Nebraska was a hot program that good football players wanted to go to. Those days are long in the past. Now Nebraska has more money and a better conference than most schools, but not everyone wants to go live in Nebraska especially if the team is mediocre or worse. I'm not wishing Nebraska to be bad, in fact I want them to be a good team, but I'm not sure Nebraska can figure out what they need to do.
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I remember the great games between Nebraska and Oklahoma when they were in the Big 8 but that was a long time ago. The game has moved on from their run option offense. It will be hard to recapture that for Nebraska.
 
huskymedic said:
In case you were wondering…

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Not pursue coaching opportunities? Right. He wasn't after he left Florida...nor after he left Ohio state. Meyer will coach as soon as someone will hold their nose and hire him. Someone who cares more about winning than hiring a leader with integrity and class.
 
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ShakyTheMohel said:
Not pursue coaching opportunities? Right. He wasn't after he left Florida...nor after he left Ohio state. Meyer will coach as soon as someone will hold their nose and hire him. Someone who cares more about winning than hiring a leader with integrity and class.
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He will end up somewhere cheesey like Missouri State. I don’t think the NIL era is a good fit for him.

Plus Nebraska is such a toxic joke atm, adding Urban to the equation would send it over a cliff.

Let’s hope it happens.
 
ZooCougar said:
He will end up somewhere cheesey like Missouri State. I don’t think the NIL era is a good fit for him.

Plus Nebraska is such a toxic joke atm, adding Urban to the equation would send it over a cliff.

Let’s hope it happens.
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How about Meyer at Auburn? It's a horrible job in the shadow of Bama...and they might just be desperate enough?
 
These early season firings show how stupid many of these athletic directors really are. Alberts canned Frost and ate $7.5 million of a buyout so he could lose 49-14 to Oklahoma. Money well spent. Alberts should be fired if Nebraska does not beat Indiana on 10/1, because then Alberts will have just pissed away $7.5 million in three weeks for no return.

I also don't get the point of firing Herm Edwards now. He isn't the greatest coach ever, but he is OK and Arizona State is just an OK program.

People who think it is OK to fire a coach off one bad loss have likely never been in a position of authority or leadership, nor do they understand economics. If coaches think that you are a hair trigger AD, then two things will happen: 1) some coaches won't come play for you, and 2) those that are willing to come will demand more money and bigger buyouts. Coaches at more stable programs will use the fact that coaches at Nebraska/ASU/(name your wannabe program that chews through coaches) are always on the hot seat against those programs in recruiting, so some of the top prospects won't come. It becomes a self-reinforcing cycle of competitive and financial failure for the program.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
These early season firings show how stupid many of these athletic directors really are. Alberts canned Frost and ate $7.5 million of a buyout so he could lose 49-14 to Oklahoma. Money well spent. Alberts should be fired if Nebraska does not beat Indiana on 10/1, because then Alberts will have just pissed away $7.5 million in three weeks for no return.

I also don't get the point of firing Herm Edwards now. He isn't the greatest coach ever, but he is OK and Arizona State is just an OK program.

People who think it is OK to fire a coach off one bad loss have likely never been in a position of authority or leadership, nor do they understand economics. If coaches think that you are a hair trigger AD, then two things will happen: 1) some coaches won't come play for you, and 2) those that are willing to come will demand more money and bigger buyouts. Coaches at more stable programs will use the fact that coaches at Nebraska/ASU/(name your wannabe program that chews through coaches) are always on the hot seat against those programs in recruiting, so some of the top prospects won't come. It becomes a self-reinforcing cycle of competitive and financial failure for the program.
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The Edwards firing was just a matter of finding an excuse to do it. The NCAA investigation killed anything good he had going there, lost 5 coaches including his coordinators as well as his starting QB and RB all in the same year. So when what is perceived to be a lesser team, a directional no less, comes into your house and beats you easily enough with their backup QB, you've got your excuse to fire him.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
These early season firings show how stupid many of these athletic directors really are. Alberts canned Frost and ate $7.5 million of a buyout so he could lose 49-14 to Oklahoma. Money well spent. Alberts should be fired if Nebraska does not beat Indiana on 10/1, because then Alberts will have just pissed away $7.5 million in three weeks for no return
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Don’t worry… for another $1m they found a scapegoat:
 
CCSUblue said:
The Edwards firing was just a matter of finding an excuse to do it. The NCAA investigation killed anything good he had going there, lost 5 coaches including his coordinators as well as his starting QB and RB all in the same year. So when what is perceived to be a lesser team, a directional no less, comes into your house and beats you easily enough with their backup QB, you've got your excuse to fire him.
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To be fair the QB did him a favor by leaving.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
These early season firings show how stupid many of these athletic directors really are. Alberts canned Frost and ate $7.5 million of a buyout so he could lose 49-14 to Oklahoma. Money well spent. Alberts should be fired if Nebraska does not beat Indiana on 10/1, because then Alberts will have just pissed away $7.5 million in three weeks for no return.

I also don't get the point of firing Herm Edwards now. He isn't the greatest coach ever, but he is OK and Arizona State is just an OK program.

People who think it is OK to fire a coach off one bad loss have likely never been in a position of authority or leadership, nor do they understand economics. If coaches think that you are a hair trigger AD, then two things will happen: 1) some coaches won't come play for you, and 2) those that are willing to come will demand more money and bigger buyouts. Coaches at more stable programs will use the fact that coaches at Nebraska/ASU/(name your wannabe program that chews through coaches) are always on the hot seat against those programs in recruiting, so some of the top prospects won't come. It becomes a self-reinforcing cycle of competitive and financial failure for the program.
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Come on dude. Herm Edwards wasn’t about one bad loss. They are bad and they are under investigation.

Nebraska Football has more money than they know what to do with. $7.5M is covered by the sponsors on the billboards at the stadium or one home game.

And LOL if you think firing that idiot Frost was Trev Alberts’ call alone. It’s been crystal clear that the boosters and the administration backed him up. Frost should have been let go last year. This was a mercy firing.
 
huskymedic said:
Don’t worry… for another $1m they found a scapegoat:
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This after the acting head coach fell on his sword at the post game and accepted 100% responsibility like 5 times. It was a pathetic display.
 
Does a school being "under investigation" really matter anymore? All the schools can legally pay their players if they want. What rule is there to break?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Does a school being "under investigation" really matter anymore? All the schools can legally pay their players if they want. What rule is there to break?
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arizonasports.com

Timeline: ASU football fallout amid investigation into recruiting violations

The Arizona State Sun Devils' 2021 football season was played under a dark, looming cloud that looks to have turned into a full-blown storm.
arizonasports.com arizonasports.com

This one may actually be a bigger deal than most other "normal" NCAA violations because they did it during the pandemic.
 
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