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FriarJ said:
Xavier was thought to lead for Niels Lane but their recent pickups changes his recruitment some I bet.
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Eh, maybe in the crystal ball but I’ve been hearing Florida for the past month or two.

Travis Steele is putting in work though. Odom and Wilcher is probably my favorite 2020 guard tandem in the country right now. Both are studs.
 
FriarJ said:
Xavier was thought to lead for Niels Lane but their recent pickups changes his recruitment some I bet.
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Yep out on him now and on to Jalen bridges and Ben Carlson. One of those two will be the last commit in the class most likely. Carlson if I had to guess. Bridges just got a cb to the u.

Hopefully you guys will get lane now
 
bendm said:
if cam thomas comes here i hope lane goes to PC. but if cam doesn't come here then we get lane. deal?
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I can live with that as long as we get Andre Curbelo.
 
scoscox said:
I’m hearing Thomas to UConn is likely. That’d be huge. Big east recruiting is on fire right now. Marquette rumored to be closing on another top 100 forward as well
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The BE is sure involved with top players. Cooley has never shot higher, we are in the final 5-7 of about a half dozen top 50ish players and when you see us on the lists we stick out like a sore thumb. Has me nervous as heck and I really only care about recruiting when they actually are on campus for classes.
 
FriarJ said:
The BE is sure involved with top players. Cooley has never shot higher, we are in the final 5-7 of about a half dozen top 50ish players and when you see us on the lists we stick out like a sore thumb. Has me nervous as heck and I really only care about recruiting when they actually are on campus for classes.
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Amen (or Kofi) to that.
 
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Zissou said:
I’m sorry for your situation, but that does not project on the conference move by UConn.

The Big East is simply a Top 3 basketball conference, and UConn wants to play at the highest level that is possible for them.
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Top 3? . Not close. Definitely behind the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten and in the last few years the SEC. With UConn, if we get back to business, should be top 4-5 consistently. The improvement of the SEC beyond UK and Florida should concern everyone. The PAC keeps recruiting pretty well and doesn’t turn it in to anything.

Don’t read into this move that somehow UConn loves the Big East. We’d jump to the ACC in an instant. The American screwed us over and this was our best and only move under the circumstances.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Top 3? . Not close. Definitely behind the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten and in the last few years the SEC. With UConn, if we get back to business, should be top 4-5 consistently. The improvement of the SEC beyond UK and Florida should concern everyone. The PAC keeps recruiting pretty well and doesn’t turn it in to anything.

Don’t read into this move that somehow UConn loves the Big East. We’d jump to the ACC in an instant. The American screwed us over and this was our best and only move under the circumstances.
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It's definitely close to Top 3 and usually sufficiently better than the SEC.

Just look at the past rankings; last year was easily it's worst year:

NCAA College Basketball RPI Rankings (updated today)

NCAA college basketball RPI rankings and ratings for 2025, updated daily for all teams and available historically for every day of the 2025 season.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com
 
Guapo said:
Just look at the past rankings; last year was easily it's worst year:
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for anyone who doesnt wanna read through where the big east ranked over the past 6 years:

13-14: 4th
14-15: 3rd
15-16: 3rd
16-17: 3rd
17-18: 2nd
18-19: 5th

on average Big East has been 3rd behind Big12 and ACC
 
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Guapo said:
It's definitely close to Top 3 and usually sufficiently better than the SEC.

Just look at the past rankings; last year was easily it's worst year:

NCAA College Basketball RPI Rankings (updated today)

NCAA college basketball RPI rankings and ratings for 2025, updated daily for all teams and available historically for every day of the 2025 season.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com
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KenPom has them 5th
 
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superjohn said:
You would think he has an agenda or aomething.
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Who me? I don’t. I just think the Big East is being overrated. From a basketball perspective I’m glad UConn is there rather than the AAC. I think it was the right move. I just see a clear trend of big time football schools becoming serious about basketball and gaining.

Main advantage the Big East has is the high floor. The bottom of the conference is better than most.
 
Guapo said:
It’s whatever, I like @HuskyHawk

I just think he happens to be wrong here
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I like him too but I don't understand how he could say the Big East isn't even close to a top 3 conference when the numbers clearly say otherwise and they are one of the three conferences who actually wins national championships.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Who me? I don’t. I just think the Big East is being overrated. From a basketball perspective I’m glad UConn is there rather than the AAC. I think it was the right move. I just see a clear trend of big time football schools becoming serious about basketball and gaining.

Main advantage the Big East has is the high floor. The bottom of the conference is better than most.
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If it makes you feel any better; I’m sitting here in the heart of SEC football country and - I can’t stress this enough - no one cares about college basketball.

I know that these schools are making an effort but ultimately they can’t force people to care.

The main advantage the Big East has, in my opinion, is it’s a group of traditional basketball schools that are all basketball centric, situated in prime recruiting real estate.

Georgia can hire Tom Crean. Georgia can renovate Stegman Coliseum. Athens is an amazing place to be a college student. But, most basketball kids going on a recruiting trip there know that they will be viewed as second class citizens by the athletic department, the students and the, essentially football-only, fanbase.
 
Pretty sure the conference average kenpom since realignment is 3.5. On par with the big ten. Saying its “not close” to top 3 is severe recency bias. Go back even 1 year and you have a top 3 league with the national champion. The conference will be a top 3 league this upcoming year
 
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Guapo said:
If it makes you feel any better; I’m sitting here in the heart of SEC football country and - I can’t stress this enough - no one cares about college basketball.

I know that these schools are making an effort but ultimately they can’t force people to care.

The main advantage the Big East has, in my opinion, is it’s a group of traditional basketball schools that are all basketball centric, situated in prime recruiting real estate.

Georgia can hire Tom Crean. Georgia can renovate Stegman Coliseum. Athens is an amazing place to be a college student. But, most basketball kids going on a recruiting trip there know that they will be viewed as second class citizens by the athletic department, the students and the, essentially football-only, fanbase.
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The sec hired mike tranghese to consult to improve their league. He basically advised them to improve their coaching. Really insightful stuff. Thus you’ve seen Arkansas, Alabama, Texas a&m etc all spend big on big name coaches. I’m skeptical that they maintain success. Meanwhile the pac 12 keeps going off the deep end. Their flagship program just hired mick cronin

To your point about second class citizens... the kid who just committed to Xavier specifically cited the basketball culture as a huge attraction. he had 3 or 4 offers from the sec (Alabama, Auburn, etc). His school is the biggest feeder school to Alabama and was a priority for them. Xavier has also taken 3 top 4 stars from Georgia in the last two years right out from tom crean. Just some anecdotal supporting evidence

Breaking: Xavier lands EYBL’s breakout star, Colby Jones
 
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superjohn said:
I like him too but I don't understand how he could say the Big East isn't even close to a top 3 conference when the numbers clearly say otherwise and they are one of the three conferences who actually wins national championships.
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I guess it’s because I saw Nova and nobody but Xavier and they lost their coach. Seton Hall everyone said would break out and they never did. Same with PC. I’m waiting to see somebody besides Jay Wright actually do something. The rankings are good because there just aren’t any awful teams. The bottom is very solid. The top doesn’t have the 3-4 programs who might make a final four run in a given year that the ACC, Big 12 and Big Ten have. The SEC surge may fade, but they have been very deep of late.

I’m excited, don’t get me wrong. But as much as UConn needed the Big East, I think the Big East needed UConn more. Nobody else besides Nova and maybe one Xavier team has been able to make a strong postseason run.
 
Butler has been to a sweet sixteen at least.

The biggest problem has been early upsets for high seeds. The two best Xavier teams of the big east era both got knocked out in the second round. Nova has had a bunch of high seeds get upset early and creighton got upset with Dougie mcbuckets. If even 2-3 of those teams play to seed then the narrative of underperformance wouldn’t exist. Unfortunately it does and I understand that but I think perception of the league is skewed a little bit by some of those upsets
 
scoscox said:
Butler has been to a sweet sixteen at least.

The biggest problem has been early upsets for high seeds. The two best Xavier teams of the big east era both got knocked out in the second round. Nova has had a bunch of high seeds get upset early and creighton got upset with Dougie mcbuckets. If even 2-3 of those teams play to seed then the narrative of underperformance wouldn’t exist. Unfortunately it does and I understand that but I think perception of the league is skewed a little bit by some of those upsets
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And Nova has twice as many championships as the Big 10 and Big 12 combined over the past decade or so. You add UConn and that's four times the championships in the past decade.
 
scoscox said:
Butler has been to a sweet sixteen at least.

The biggest problem has been early upsets for high seeds. The two best Xavier teams of the big east era both got knocked out in the second round. Nova has had a bunch of high seeds get upset early and creighton got upset with Dougie mcbuckets. If even 2-3 of those teams play to seed then the narrative of underperformance wouldn’t exist. Unfortunately it does and I understand that but I think perception of the league is skewed a little bit by some of those upsets
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We're here to fix that sort of thing, it's our specialty.
 
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scoscox said:
Butler has been to a sweet sixteen at least.

The biggest problem has been early upsets for high seeds. The two best Xavier teams of the big east era both got knocked out in the second round. Nova has had a bunch of high seeds get upset early and creighton got upset with Dougie mcbuckets. If even 2-3 of those teams play to seed then the narrative of underperformance wouldn’t exist. Unfortunately it does and I understand that but I think perception of the league is skewed a little bit by some of those upsets
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Or maybe those teams and the league were not as good as they were perceived to be and they were overseeded. Same way I think some AAC teams have been underseeded.

None of this matters. Big East plus UConn is going to be a very good league. Should be in the 5-6 bid range most of the time. I'm all about the future.
 
Guapo said:
If it makes you feel any better; I’m sitting here in the heart of SEC football country and - I can’t stress this enough - no one cares about college basketball.

I know that these schools are making an effort but ultimately they can’t force people to care.

The main advantage the Big East has, in my opinion, is it’s a group of traditional basketball schools that are all basketball centric, situated in prime recruiting real estate.

Georgia can hire Tom Crean. Georgia can renovate Stegman Coliseum. Athens is an amazing place to be a college student. But, most basketball kids going on a recruiting trip there know that they will be viewed as second class citizens by the athletic department, the students and the, essentially football-only, fanbase.
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I went to the Kentucky game at Stegman a few years ago. It was great, but no Big East.
 
scoscox said:
Butler has been to a sweet sixteen at least.

The biggest problem has been early upsets for high seeds. The two best Xavier teams of the big east era both got knocked out in the second round. Nova has had a bunch of high seeds get upset early and creighton got upset with Dougie mcbuckets. If even 2-3 of those teams play to seed then the narrative of underperformance wouldn’t exist. Unfortunately it does and I understand that but I think perception of the league is skewed a little bit by some of those upsets
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There is some truth here, but 2 titles erases that earlier under performance.
 
Zissou said:
I went to the Kentucky game at Stegman a few years ago. It was great, but no Big East.
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Yeah and Kentucky is usually the one game Georgia fans will get up for.

Just curious; what % of the fans were UK fans?
 
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