2019 Recruiting: Richie Springs OV Today (8/4)

[HuskyHawk]

Excited about him if reports of a tough kid who can do the dirty work for us inside are true. I like those offensive rebounding numbers that were posted. At least it gives us a viable option and 5 more fouls in the center position at worst until he develops.

Yeah and let's not forget Alexis Yetna came out of PSU recently as a 3 star went to USF. He's been kicking butt. They seem to have a similar strengths. Yetna averaged 9.6 board and 12.3 points last year. Springs is longer and seems to have a higher skill level.

 

[Pudge]

It’s like we never learn ...

Whether the guy is Hilton Armstrong, Gavin Edwards, Kentan Facey ... this is a tricky evaluation for any CBB coach. If he’s grown to 6’10 and had solid inside instincts, it’s a great pick

And different coaches will have varied opinions.

We do need a big body & aggressive interior guy. Whaley ain’t enough for nor or coming years.

 

[Kenny11]

I'm guessing his ceiling is better than that if they are thinking of bringing him in early? Not that on occasion Kentan wasn't pretty good his senior year but we need someone who can get there quicker than 4 years or at least have the potential to do so.

Kentan had some talent but no feel for the game, which was a disturbing trend of some of our players from that era like Larrier (worst feel for the game I've ever seen from a highly rated prospect) and Enoch. It seems like Hurley is not recruiting guys like that. Springs seems to have a nice feel for the game, some talent, and definitely a winner.

 

[ctchamps]

...didn't you mock me when I said his ceiling looks like a senior year Kentan?

“Give me a break”.

You are correct and I enjoyed it a lot.

I felt snarky deserved snarky. Also it was not about the player comparison but over your choice of using Kentan after declaring KO didn’t develop anyone.

Kentan was a great offensive rebounder against the cupcakes early his freshman year and everyone was excited. I believe he had a game with nine offensive rebounds. But he understood little about organized basketball and was a disaster on defense.

He thought about transferring but stuck with the program.

He played sporadically until his senior year in which he showed the ability to play the game. He became one of the go to guys by the end of the season and had there been a more dynamic offensive center than Brimah opposing teams would not have been able to neutralize him as affectively.

So I'll give credit to you being the first to make a Kentan comparison but I won’t apologize for my response.

 

[ctchamps]

Trifecta of spelling errors... it’s Kentan, Carlton, and Richie

Go big or go home.

 

[JMick]

“Give me a break”.

You are correct and I enjoyed it a lot.

I felt snarky deserved snarky. Also it was not about the player comparison but over your choice of using Kentan after declaring KO didn’t develop anyone.

Kentan was a great offensive rebounder against the cupcakes early his freshman year and everyone was excited. I believe he had a game with nine offensive rebounds. But he understood little about organized basketball and was a disaster on defense.

He thought about transferring but stuck with the program.

He played sporadically until his senior year in which he showed the ability to play the game. He became one of the go to guys by the end of the season and had there been a more dynamic offensive center than Brimah opposing teams would not have been able to neutralize him as affectively.

So I'll give credit to you being the first to make a Kentan comparison but I won’t apologize for my response.

That's a lot of words to say "yeah, I was wrong"

 

[mauconnfan]

Kentan had some talent but no feel for the game, which was a disturbing trend of some of our players from that era like Larrier (worst feel for the game I've ever seen from a highly rated prospect) and Enoch. It seems like Hurley is not recruiting guys like that. Springs seems to have a nice feel for the game, some talent, and definitely a winner.

Good call exactly what I was referring to. He didn't have instincts for the game needed to improve rapidly or sometimes not at all. Respect to him for becoming a pretty good player eventually his Sr year despite some shortcomings but he worked hard to get there. Guessing Springs knows how to play and Hurleywill push him to where he needs to help like strength coach, boxing out drills and plain old running the motor at full speed all times.

 

[ctchamps]

It’s like we never learn ...

Whether the guy is Hilton Armstrong, Gavin Edwards, Kentan Facey ... this is a tricky evaluation for any CBB coach. If he’s grown to 6’10 and had solid inside instincts, it’s a great pick

And different coaches will have varied opinions.

We do need a big body & aggressive interior guy. Whaley ain’t enough for nor or coming years.

No player is exactly like any other player. So I agree comparisons have limitations. Furthermore evaluations have limitations because player development isn’t static and team composition is dynamic and has to be factored.

Discussion here is only an expression of opinion. Normally everyone would be excited about a recruit like Richie.

But the team has several critical needs and too few scholarships available. And given the last several seasons every recruit will be scrutinized more critically. Taking a flyer on an average four year player won’t be acceptable by the passionate fan or booster given the needs of the team and the perceived need for a rapid turnaround.

All of these discussions amount to zero when it comes to accomplishing results for the team. They’re just cerebral interactions that have not nor will ever move the needle for the team and apparently our intellect.

But it does provide some pleasure.

 

[ctchamps]

That's a lot of words to say "yeah, I was wrong"

LOL.

I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong. How about you. Can you admit KO developed players?

 

[ctchamps]

Kevin Ollie couldn't develop talent to save his job, literally. Lets not try to compare apples to oranges here. Carlton has already developed light years more than any big under KO. Trust the Process.

That’s a jaded and oversimplified perspective. KO had a lot of problems after his divorce (and perhaps to his inability to handle success) that resulted in several poor seasons. The primary problem was he lost his ability to relate to players.

People forget how he kept the team together after the trifecta of disasters he had to deal with when he took over the program and the masterful job he did motivating a non tournament bound team, a motivation that led to a NC the following season.

People forget about the improvement of those players in the first two seasons. People want to assign all the blame for failure and give no credit for the successes.

I felt it was necessary for a coaching change the same as many of you. I know people are angry about what happened but I personally have a problem overlooking the positives because I was upset.

 

[Scrutineer]

This discussion reminds me of finals week. Everybody is on edge, in this case we're bored because it's only early August and the season is three months away, and there have been no early commitments to soothe the collective soul.

 

[HuskyAlum012]

That’s a jaded and oversimplified perspective. KO had a lot of problems after his divorce (and perhaps to his inability to handle success) that resulted in several poor seasons. The primary problem was he lost his ability to relate to players.

People forget how he kept the team together after the trifecta of disasters he had to deal with when he took over the program and the masterful job he did motivating a non tournament bound team, a motivation that led to a NC the following season.

People forget about the improvement of those players in the first two seasons. People want to assign all the blame for failure and give no credit for the successes.

I felt it was necessary for a coaching change the same as many of you. I know people are angry about what happened but I personally have a problem overlooking the positives because I was upset.

I will give you the motivation of players as a phenomenal job well done by KO during that tournament run. The development of those players? Not so much. Shabazz, Giffey, Daniels, Boatright all played under Calhoun until his sudden retirement in the summer of 2012. They all at least had 2 summers under his tutelage prior to KO taking over fulltime. Who truly "developed" those players more, KO or JC, noone really knows. On the other hand, players who only played under KO like Purvis, Brimah, Nolan, Omar Calhoun, Dham, Facey, did not improve much during KOs tenure as coach with the exception of Facey, who I would argue didn't improve in his 4 seasons under KO as much as Carlton developed in the 1 year under Hurley.

 

[JMick]

LOL.

I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong. How about you. Can you admit KO developed players?

Drop the 's' on "players" and sure. Facey is the only player that had any significant growth.

 

[Pudge]

I will give you the motivation of players as a phenomenal job well done by KO during that tournament run. The development of those players? Not so much. Shabazz, Giffey, Daniels, Boatright all played under Calhoun until his sudden retirement in the summer of 2012. They all at least had 2 summers under his tutelage prior to KO taking over fulltime. Who truly "developed" those players more, KO or JC, noone really knows. On the other hand, players who only played under KO like Purvis, Brimah, Nolan, Omar Calhoun, Dham, Facey, did not improve much during KOs tenure as coach with the exception of Facey, who I would argue didn't improve in his 4 seasons under KO as much as Carlton developed in the 1 year under Hurley.

Oooooh

Here comes the Shabazz coached that Team gang.

You can State that Kevin Ollie was very talented in some aspects of Coaching ... but sucked in others. He - turns out - could not CEO a total top Program in modern CBB. I believe he put together 8 guy’s wonderfully in 2014; got them to sync and play hard together. Coached Napier to Lead. Etc.

And the Divorce matters.

 

[Chief00]

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So Chief was on this back to 2/5/2019. LOL - let’s hope it becomes official !

 

[navery12]

[View attachment 45350So Chief was on this back to 2/5/2019. LOL - let’s hope it becomes official !

You were on Springs early. But not for 2019

 

[Towney007]

Yeah color me in as cautious about this kid. He was a top 50 guy in the class and has fallen over 100 spots. There's probably a reason for that.

I feel like this kid becomes an outstanding four year college player or is just a destined for the bench kinda guy.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Yeah color me in as cautious about this kid. He was a top 50 guy in the class and has fallen over 100 spots. There's probably a reason for that.

I feel like this kid becomes an outstanding four year college player or is just a destined for the bench kinda guy.

I don't know squat about him but what I read here and on the web. The picture in my mind is of a 6'7" kid who is a wing/stretch 4. He has some skills, but isn't a shooter. He falls in the rankings because he's not what is needed as a wing/stretch 4 in the modern game. Then he grows 3" and continues to be evaluated based on a skill set that isn't critical for how he will be used. If David Robinson stayed the 6'5" he was when he went to Navy none of us would know his name.

I may be completely wrong, but the fact that Hurley seems all in suggests that he sees a kid who has some skills developed when he was shorter and who may end up being a 6'11" center when all is said and done. He can run the floor and finish on the break very well based on his clips. Supposedly a good rebounder, and if he's a good outlet and high post passer, then those skills translate very well to Hurley's system.

 

[DadBod24]

 

[ctchamps]

I don't know squat about him but what I read here and on the web. The picture in my mind is of a 6'7" kid who is a wing/stretch 4. He has some skills, but isn't a shooter. He falls in the rankings because he's not what is needed as a wing/stretch 4 in the modern game. Then he grows 3" and continues to be evaluated based on a skill set that isn't critical for how he will be used. If David Robinson stayed the 6'5" he was when he went to Navy none of us would know his name.

I may be completely wrong, but the fact that Hurley seems all in suggests that he sees a kid who has some skills developed when he was shorter and who may end up being a 6'11" center when all is said and done. He can run the floor and finish on the break very well based on his clips. Supposedly a good rebounder, and if he's a good outlet and high post passer, then those skills translate very well to Hurley's system.

He's more of an under the basket to the foul line 4 in the mold of Freeman, Adrien, or Facey.

 

[Psolo12]

My god, the las thing I want to see when excited and looking for details on a possible incoming commit is people arguing about the horror show that was the end of KO's tenure. Let the nightmare end.

 

[krinklecut]

[View attachment 45350So Chief was on this back to 2/5/2019. LOL - let’s hope it becomes official !

I can throw names at the wall and gloat when something sticks too.

 

[temery]

Ollie is gone. Get the hell over it, and move on.

 

[ctchamps]

I will give you the motivation of players as a phenomenal job well done by KO during that tournament run. The development of those players? Not so much. Shabazz, Giffey, Daniels, Boatright all played under Calhoun until his sudden retirement in the summer of 2012. They all at least had 2 summers under his tutelage prior to KO taking over fulltime. Who truly "developed" those players more, KO or JC, noone really knows. On the other hand, players who only played under KO like Purvis, Brimah, Nolan, Omar Calhoun, Dham, Facey, did not improve much during KOs tenure as coach with the exception of Facey, who I would argue didn't improve in his 4 seasons under KO as much as Carlton developed in the 1 year under Hurley.

Do I think sophomore Carlton is better than senior Facey? Yes. But I was high on Carlton from the start and feel/felt he was a much more advanced player than freshman Facey. As a freshman I observed Carlton positioned himself well in the paint, had great hands and made himself available to receive passes. When he got a rebound he immediately held the ball above his head. These were skills that I wished bigger players such as Alex (horrible hands) or Thabeet (never learned in his three years under JC to rebound and keep the ball above his head) could have developed. Kentan was more athletic as a freshman but his bb IQ was poor. Other players were pointing to the place on the court where Kentan should be positioned. The amount of coaching needed to get Kentan to be decent was more difficult imo than was needed for Carlton to improve.