Your prediction: when the realignment music where does UConn end up ?

[noeynox]

I would think that UConn would bring as much value to the ACC as Wake, Cuse, BC and Pitt at least. Very disappointing article.

Sobering and realistic. The time for all hands on deck was 2012.

 

[RSTuthill]

I would think that UConn would bring as much value to the ACC as Wake, Cuse, BC and Pitt at least. Very disappointing article.

I would not. They all have better football programs at the moment. Which doesn't mean that things can't change fairly rapidly.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

we have yet to see our team play this season, bowl game is a coming

 

[billybud]

Just an ignorant question...do ya'll have possums ?

The southern possum is a flat animal that sleeps on roads.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

In the remade ACC for all sports except Hockey. Our current status will be a death sentence in 10 years.

 

[Ha Who]

Professor Zimbalist: "“Their calculation basically is, we add a market, there are so many households in the market, that’s worth so much in television rights,” Zimbalist said. “On the other side, now we have to divide the existing money we have, which might diminish, amongst one more school. They look at those two tradeoffs, and I don’t expect that Connecticut is going to have options that are really attractive.”

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Anyone who can take Zimbalist serous has lost my respect. His agenda is quite clear

 

[RSTuthill]

Anyone who can take Zimbalist serous has lost my respect. His agenda is quite clear

I just put it out there for consideration. Amore is certainly respected and he seems to respect Zimbalist. So your comment is interesting. Care to elaborate?

 

[Ha Who]

I just put it out there for consideration. Amore is certainly respected and he seems to respect Zimbalist. So your comment is interesting. Care to elaborate?

My beef with him is that he argues like you would expect a left wing professor to. There are no simple solutions for a city like Hartford which definitely needs businesses to help fill all the apartments they are building I can’t argue with the position taxpayers should not fund arenas/stadiums but he takes the position a major league team brings no economic value to a city like Hartford

Yes, restaurants and bars are not high paying jobs, but I remember the days of going to Whaler games and the bars were packed. The cities need entertainment and the “the Hartford Stage” will not be enough to attract young professionals

Three seasons in, Hartford's $71M ballpark has sparked new energy but not promised development

Column from March of this year , but interesting read in Hartford Business Journal We need the Land Disposition and Development Agreemen...

blog.flyorh.com

Does he really think Hartford would have funded these services if the Dunk was not built. Asylum Ave has had the man hole issue since well before the Dunk. Hartford spends more per student than West Hartford. Throwing more money is not the solution

 

[Kolumbo]

My beef with him is that he argues like you would expect a left wing professor to. There are no simple solutions for a city like Hartford which definitely needs businesses to help fill all the apartments they are building I can’t argue with the position taxpayers should not fund arenas/stadiums but he takes the position a major league team brings no economic value to a city like Hartford

Yes, restaurants and bars are not high paying jobs, but I remember the days of going to Whaler games and the bars were packed. The cities need entertainment and the “the Hartford Stage” will not be enough to attract young professionals

Three seasons in, Hartford's $71M ballpark has sparked new energy but not promised development

Column from March of this year , but interesting read in Hartford Business Journal We need the Land Disposition and Development Agreemen...

blog.flyorh.com

Does he really think Hartford would have funded these services if the Dunk was not built. Asylum Ave has had the man hole issue since well before the Dunk. Hartford spends more per student than West Hartford. Throwing more money is not the solution

This place is being built so how is that not encouraging to zimbalist

edit-i just his opinion was from 3 years ago.

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[RSTuthill]

My beef with him is that he argues like you would expect a left wing professor to. There are no simple solutions for a city like Hartford which definitely needs businesses to help fill all the apartments they are building I can’t argue with the position taxpayers should not fund arenas/stadiums but he takes the position a major league team brings no economic value to a city like Hartford

Yes, restaurants and bars are not high paying jobs, but I remember the days of going to Whaler games and the bars were packed. The cities need entertainment and the “the Hartford Stage” will not be enough to attract young professionals

Three seasons in, Hartford's $71M ballpark has sparked new energy but not promised development

Column from March of this year , but interesting read in Hartford Business Journal We need the Land Disposition and Development Agreemen...

blog.flyorh.com

Does he really think Hartford would have funded these services if the Dunk was not built. Asylum Ave has had the man hole issue since well before the Dunk. Hartford spends more per student than West Hartford. Throwing more money is not the solution

I understand your points. But on the per pupil cost, Hartford has to pay far more than the burbs to teach in that environment. A decade or so ago my son took a year off to apply to grad schools in his field and student taught to keep some income flowing in. The difference in job satisfaction as a function of geographic location was huge, he found. There were lots of schools he decided not to go back to.

 

[huskymedic]

I can’t argue with the position taxpayers should not fund arenas/stadiums but he takes the position a major league team brings no economic value to a city like Hartford

Depends on who’s paying for his words… Braves hired Andy Zimbalist to fire back on stadium impact criticism, and it went about as well as you’d expect

 

[Kolumbo]

My beef with him is that he argues like you would expect a left wing professor to. There are no simple solutions for a city like Hartford which definitely needs businesses to help fill all the apartments they are building I can’t argue with the position taxpayers should not fund arenas/stadiums but he takes the position a major league team brings no economic value to a city like Hartford

Yes, restaurants and bars are not high paying jobs, but I remember the days of going to Whaler games and the bars were packed. The cities need entertainment and the “the Hartford Stage” will not be enough to attract young professionals

Three seasons in, Hartford's $71M ballpark has sparked new energy but not promised development

Column from March of this year , but interesting read in Hartford Business Journal We need the Land Disposition and Development Agreemen...

blog.flyorh.com

Does he really think Hartford would have funded these services if the Dunk was not built. Asylum Ave has had the man hole issue since well before the Dunk. Hartford spends more per student than West Hartford. Throwing more money is not the solution

Worcester also went and built Polar Park which it seems is doing quite well. Not many people agree with him.

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[How Sway?!]

My beef with him is that he argues like you would expect a left wing professor to. There are no simple solutions for a city like Hartford which definitely needs businesses to help fill all the apartments they are building I can’t argue with the position taxpayers should not fund arenas/stadiums but he takes the position a major league team brings no economic value to a city like Hartford

Yes, restaurants and bars are not high paying jobs, but I remember the days of going to Whaler games and the bars were packed. The cities need entertainment and the “the Hartford Stage” will not be enough to attract young professionals

Three seasons in, Hartford's $71M ballpark has sparked new energy but not promised development

Column from March of this year , but interesting read in Hartford Business Journal We need the Land Disposition and Development Agreemen...

blog.flyorh.com

Does he really think Hartford would have funded these services if the Dunk was not built. Asylum Ave has had the man hole issue since well before the Dunk. Hartford spends more per student than West Hartford. Throwing more money is not the solution

If a stadium is privately funded and given no tax breaks, then it is true that it is an economic positive to the area just from the increase in tax revenue.

The issue with publicly subsidized stadiums, and which has been proven time and time again in economic papers, is that the economic benefit barely if ever meets the numbers initially quoted. In fact, a major league sports arena brings about the same amount of economic activity than a medium sized mall, which is much cheaper to build and often without subsidies.

Yes, areas around a stadium are often very active during a game or afterwards. The issue is that activity would still happen if instead of a stadium you built housing or a transit station, something which brings a lot more public value.

 

[RSTuthill]

The other thing we should be mindful of is to just stick to the facts of the case. Labeling an analyst left wing is not really helpful aside from pointing out the bias of the person who does that

In stadium finance the problem has always been how to value the enhanced perception of the city that will draw people from the burbs in to spend money and make it a vibrant place. As a strictly business case for public finance they almost never make sense (JMHO). The question is, how much are you willing to invest to make the city vibrant?

 

[CL82]

The other thing we should be mindful of is to just stick to the facts of the case. Labeling an analyst left wing is not really helpful aside from pointing out the bias of the person who does that

In stadium finance the problem has always been how to value the enhanced perception of the city that will draw people from the burbs in to spend money and make it a vibrant place. As a strictly business case for public finance they almost never make sense (JMHO). The question is, how much are you willing to invest to make the city vibrant?

The problem is valuing what “vibrancy“ is worth. Typically in any studies on municipally funded sports arenas the alleged multiplier effect is referenced but not quantified.

 

[Zissou]

Who's involved? What's the timeline? All the details about the Sixers' plan for a Center City arena

Called 76 Place, the stadium would be located above a public transit hub, and right next to Chinatown.

$1.3B new arena plan in Philly

 

[Waquoit]

Last chance to vote for Dunkin' Donuts Field for Best Double-A ballpark in America!

 

[RSTuthill]

The problem is valuing what “vibrancy“ is worth. Typically in any studies on municipally funded sports arenas the alleged multiplier effect is referenced but not quantified.

Yup. And that is where the arguments revolve around. That issue

Funny, though, I would not call Hartford vibrant in the sense that most people understand the word. It's got some nice restaurants and the Dunk and the and the XFINITY Meadows in the summer. But it doesn't pulse. By contrast, Providence pulses. But not due to any stadium.

 

[CL82]

Yup. And that is where the arguments revolve around. That issue

Funny, though, I would not call Hartford vibrant in the sense that most people understand the word. It's got some nice restaurants and the Dunk and the and the XFINITY Meadows in the summer. But it doesn't pulse. By contrast, Providence pulses. But not due to any stadium.

Back when I was at Yukon it was exactly the opposite. Hartford had a little bit of a vibe downtown and was fun to go to. Providence, not so much. I think that has flipped now.

 

[RSTuthill]

Back when I was at UConn it was exactly the opposite. Hartford had a little bit of a vibe downtown and was fun to go to. Providence, not so much. I think that has flipped now.

We lost a lot when the Whalers left. But when UConn wins it's first Frozen Four, which it will do, watch what happens. They will need the XL for half their home games.

 

[CL82]

We lost a lot when the Whalers left. But when UConn wins it's first Frozen Four, which it will do, watch what happens. They will need the XL for half their home games.

I hope not. We need to be using our new venue. Hartford is a great location for the big hockey east games though.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Most research in the area suggests new arenas/stadiums are not the tide that lifts all boats. Brookings did a nice study on this year's ago.

 

[RSTuthill]

I hope not. We need to be using our new venue. Hartford is a great location for the big hockey east games though.

Yeah, that is what I meant. Plus high profile OOC teams. It won't be too long before UConn starts pulling them in too.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If UConn was ever going to get a break, I think it will be in the next 2-3 years. The streaming services are going to be very hungry for content, especially as they try to add advertising to their revenue. Live sports are one of the few content segments that supports advertising. I think there is going to be a push by the streaming services to lock up as much live sports content as possible.

 

[Kolumbo]

Most research in the area suggests new arenas/stadiums are not the tide that lifts all boats. Brookings did a nice study on this year's ago.

Just from personal experience, the Yard Goats are one of the few reasons we venture into Hartford anymore. Many social groups plan events and attend Yard Goats games, especially organizations for kids. Affordable, easy to get to, and family fun. It's hard to quantify the total economic impact that the park has had and will continue to have on the area but it is certainly lifting many boats.

 

[ZooCougar]

I listen to tons of podcasts on this and read as much as I can get my hands on. UConn isn’t anywhere in the conversation for the Big 2, ACC or otherwise. Hopefully football improves and maybe that changes, but it might be too little too late.

Until then my expectations are low low low. Basketball doesn’t matter one Iota.

 

[RSTuthill]

Just from personal experience, the Yard Goats are one of the few reasons we venture into Hartford anymore. Many social groups plan events and attend Yard Goats games, especially organizations for kids. Affordable, easy to get to, and family fun. It's hard to quantify the total economic impact that the park has had and will continue to have on the area but it is certainly lifting many boats.

Exactly. I was very opposed to spending state money on something like the Dunk. The state had deficits at the time. But I was wrong. However you do the accounting there is that intangible that comes from pulling all those folks in from the burbs.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Just from personal experience, the Yard Goats are one of the few reasons we venture into Hartford anymore. Many social groups plan events and attend Yard Goats games, especially organizations for kids. Affordable, easy to get to, and family fun. It's hard to quantify the total economic impact that the park has had and will continue to have on the area but it is certainly lifting many boats.

It is a great place for folks to gather, but does that business spill over to over businesses downtown? I am doubtful, but would be happy to be wrong. If it spills over, does it do so at a rate that justifies the public money spent to make it happen?

 

[Kolumbo]

I listen to tons of podcasts on this and read as much as I can get my hands on. UConn isn’t anywhere in the conversation for the Big 2, ACC or otherwise. Hopefully football improves and maybe that changes, but it might be too little too late.

Until then my expectations are low low low. Basketball doesn’t matter one Iota.

Not many programs are in the discussion for the Big 2 so that doesn't affect my expectations. I haven't heard much about the ACC and its intentions on adding to the conference. My expectations are high because I think being independent is fine for now, heck it may even be an advantage depending on how everything else shakes out.

 

[Kolumbo]

It is a great place for folks to gather, but does that business spill over to over businesses downtown? I am doubtful, but would be happy to be wrong. If it spills over, does it do so at a rate that justifies the public money spent to make it happen?

I am sure it does. It would be impossible for something this successful to not benefit the surrounding area.

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