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Sorry for having derailed the discussion on this thread.

Getting back to the OP's post, what are your impressions of what was discussed in that interview. Could this be an indication of where the Big 12 is going?

I will be honest and I am sorry if I step on any toes here, but from my perspective, I am not a fan of Cincinnati in the Big 12. I don't see that school bringing much to the conference. Maybe you guys could enlighten me on what Cincy has to offer (other than being a school close to WVU).
 
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I think Cincy brings enough market-presence wise to justify the add (see @Dooley analysis). The geographic bridge to WV should not be discounted IMHO. Getting WV a regional partner or two or three may still be somewhat important. Louisville/Pitt may have been better, but they aren't available right now.
 
UT4Big12 said:
Maybe you guys could enlighten me on what Cincy has to offer (other than being a school close to WVU).
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Their basketball team plays good defense and they have skyline chili?

They are just so vanilla and ordinary at pretty much everything.

I don't have a problem with them necessarily, and they are like our biggest rival right now, but I just get a very blah feeling when I think of them.
 
UT4Big12 said:
Sorry for having derailed the discussion on this thread.

Getting back to the OP's post, what are your impressions of what was discussed in that interview. Could this be an indication of where the Big 12 is going?

I will be honest and I am sorry if I step on any toes here, but from my perspective, I am not a fan of Cincinnati in the Big 12. I don't see that school bringing much to the conference. Maybe you guys could enlighten me on what Cincy has to offer (other than being a school close to WVU).
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Cincinnati fits in well athletically with the Big 12, and is very competitive most years in both football and basketball. It's a very good school with an endowment well over a billion dollars, nearly 45k students. Cincinnati the city is only the 36th-largest DMA, but it's a major league city.

Ask yourself this: if Cincinnati had opened 16 years earlier and was named the University of Ohio, would you feel better about adding them to the league?
 
History Geek said:
I think Cincy brings enough market-presence wise to justify the add (see @Dooley analysis). The geographic bridge to WV should not be discounted IMHO. Getting WV a regional partner or two or three may still be somewhat important. Louisville/Pitt may have been better, but they aren't available right now.
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The question on Cincinnati is whether enough people in Ohio would actually watch them. Sure, they're located in a good spot, but it's no secret Ohio State is the #1 draw in Ohio and as you go south from Cincinnati, it's all UK. So while there's a good segment of the population of the city that are UC people, are there enough there and in the surrounding areas to justify what a B12 network would charge? That question doesn't exist for UConn or BYU.
 
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From the perspective of a Big 12 fan ( I mean a fan of the Big 12 before WVU was invited to join), we would like to recover some of the respect we had as an all-sports power conference.

We lost "brand name" schools. I don't see Cincinnati even coming close to fulfilling that desire.
Also, Cincinnati is not a flagship, land grant institution.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Cincinnati fits in well athletically with the Big 12, and is very competitive most years in both football and basketball. It's a very good school with an endowment well over a billion dollars, nearly 45k students. Cincinnati the city is only the 36th-largest DMA, but it's a major league city.

Ask yourself this: if Cincinnati had opened 16 years earlier and was named the University of Ohio, would you feel better about adding them to the league?
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But if they were the University of Ohio, they would be run differently than they are, their funding would be different, mission would be different, etc. Being a flagship state university is far different from being a state university in a specific city.

UT - if you want brand names, Cincinnati isn't going to bring it. They're going to consistently be good at football and basketball, but likely never a powerhouse in either. They'll consistently have a good following and good attendance, but likely never break and records or stand out among the crowd. They'll consistently be a reliable Honda Accord.

Brand names in G5 expansion candidates are few and far between. UConn women's BB of course is one, but the sport is too far down the totem pole for it to matter much. Our men's team, while not having the historical aura of KU, is a national brand and as close you'll get from any of the schools available, including BYU football.
 
UT4Big12 said:
Sorry for having derailed the discussion on this thread.

Getting back to the OP's post, what are your impressions of what was discussed in that interview. Could this be an indication of where the Big 12 is going?

I will be honest and I am sorry if I step on any toes here, but from my perspective, I am not a fan of Cincinnati in the Big 12. I don't see that school bringing much to the conference. Maybe you guys could enlighten me on what Cincy has to offer (other than being a school close to WVU).
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This is difficult for me, as I find them "iffy" too. They are close to WVU. They are in a good sized midwestern/mid-south market, although they are clearly #2 in southern Ohio and are likely #3 in Northern KY. The brand is meh. Academically they are pretty decent with good grad school programs. Enrollment size is pretty solid too. Football is competitive. Basketball is competitive. Neither have a lot of upside in my view, but they certainly aren't likely to become Rutgers or BC.

Do they look like a Big XII land grant U? No. But they look considerably better than Memphis and USF. UCF is a closer call. BYU as a school, as a brand and athletically is superior, but you know that. They have different warts.
 
NYUConn said:
Their crimes against pasta should be enough to relegate them to the MAC.
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We bring the best pizza and fresh whole belly fried clams and other great seafood to the conference, much better than skyline.
 
HuskyHawk said:
This is difficult for me, as I find them "iffy" too. They are close to WVU. They are in a good sized midwestern/mid-south market, although they are clearly #2 in southern Ohio and are likely #3 in Northern KY. The brand is meh. Academically they are pretty decent with good grad school programs. Enrollment size is pretty solid too. Football is competitive. Basketball is competitive. Neither have a lot of upside in my view, but they certainly aren't likely to become Rutgers or BC.

Do they look like a Big XII land grant U? No. But they look considerably better than Memphis and USF. UCF is a closer call. BYU as a school, as a brand and athletically is superior, but you know that. They have different warts.
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lol.

I haven't seen much talk anywhere about Memphis and UCF/USF being top target schools for the Big 12. Thank God for that.
 
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Duncan Idaho said:
We bring the best pizza and fresh whole belly fried clams and other great seafood to the conference, much better than skyline.
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I hate to sound stupid, but what is skyline chili? I must be missing something here.
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
But if they were the University of Ohio, they would be run differently than they are, their funding would be different, mission would be different, etc. Being a flagship state university is far different from being a state university in a specific city.

UT - if you want brand names, Cincinnati isn't going to bring it. They're going to consistently be good at football and basketball, but likely never a powerhouse in either. They'll consistently have a good following and good attendance, but likely never break and records or stand out among the crowd. They'll consistently be a reliable Honda Accord.

Brand names in G5 expansion candidates are few and far between. UConn women's BB of course is one, but the sport is too far down the totem pole for it to matter much. Our men's team, while not having the historical aura of KU, is a national brand and as close you'll get from any of the schools available, including BYU football.
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From my observation, UConn is becoming increasingly popular with Big 12 fans (for all the obvious reasons).
 
UT4Big12 said:
I hate to sound stupid, but what is skyline chili? I must be missing something here.
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Think of like... Nathan's... But for chili? I guess?

I'm guessing a Texan wouldn't be impressed.
 
UT4Big12 said:
I hate to sound stupid, but what is skyline chili? I must be missing something here.
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"Skyline Chili is unique in that it is not chili con carne, the meat dish that originated in (and is the state dish of) Texas. Instead, Cincinnati-style chili is a sauce usually used over spaghetti or hot dogs, containing a unique spice blend that gives it a very distinct taste."

Their blasphemy against chili is more than enough reason to keep them out of the Big 12. IMHO.

(Oh and I once heard someone at BYU say they hate Texas. Just thought you'd want to know.)
 
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UC313 said:
You put chili on my spaghetti and my grandmother will rise from the grave and smack every human within arms distance with a wooden spoon. And deservedly so.
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Chili, onions and cheese. I'm not embarrassed to say I love me some Skyline chili.
 
UC313 said:
You put chili on my spaghetti and my grandmother will rise from the grave and smack every human within arms distance with a wooden spoon. And deservedly so.
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You must come from an Italian family, too. Wooden spoon stories are legendary in our family as well.
 
CAHUSKY said:
Chili, onions and cheese. I'm not embarrassed to say I love me some Skyline chili.
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Her name's Geraldine, she's about 5'1" with a short perm. Watch your back bro. She brings the ruckus.

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CL82 said:
"Skyline Chili is unique in that it is not chili con carne, the meat dish that originated in (and is the state dish of) Texas. Instead, Cincinnati-style chili is a sauce usually used over spaghetti or hot dogs, containing a unique spice blend that gives it a very distinct taste."

Their blasphemy against chili is more than enough reason to keep them out of the Big 12. IMHO.

(Oh and I once heard someone at BYU say they hate Texas. Just thought you'd want to know.)
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Thanks for this post.
As for BYU hating Texas, I can't say I am surprised.

The Big 12 is BYU's only hope of getting into a power conference and we won't let them in. No other power conference will have them either.

Also, Texas gets blamed for everything. We are used to it by now.
 
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FourRings said:
Chili with cinnamon in it. Nothing more. It's like crack to those tri-state hillbillies though.
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Last time I had the world famous chili dogs at Capitol Lunch in New Britain I swear I tasted cinnamon (or cardamom). Makes sense now, it was a unique tasting chili.
 
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UT4Big12 said:
Sorry for having derailed the discussion on this thread.

Getting back to the OP's post, what are your impressions of what was discussed in that interview. Could this be an indication of where the Big 12 is going?

I will be honest and I am sorry if I step on any toes here, but from my perspective, I am not a fan of Cincinnati in the Big 12. I don't see that school bringing much to the conference. Maybe you guys could enlighten me on what Cincy has to offer (other than being a school close to WVU).
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Cincy doesn't bring nearly as much as UConn, but if you have to have 12, they are the best of the rest.

UCF and USF are all potential, not reality. Cincy as the #2 public school in a state of 11.6 million arguably brings as much potential as UCF or USF, #3 and #4 public schools in a state of 19.9 million, and more of it has been realized. Florida also has a marquee (in foootball) private school, U of Miami; Ohio has no such competition. Cincy is way ahead of Memphis, and Houston would be fine if Houston were not in Texas which the B12 already has. BYU problematic. Who else is there?
 
pj said:
Cincy doesn't bring nearly as much as UConn, but if you have to have 12, they are the best of the rest.

UCF and USF are all potential, not reality. Cincy as the #2 public school in a state of 11.6 million arguably brings as much potential as UCF or USF, #3 and #4 public schools in a state of 19.9 million, and more of it has been realized. Florida also has a marquee (in foootball) private school, U of Miami; Ohio has no such competition. Cincy is way ahead of Memphis, and Houston would be fine if Houston were not in Texas which the B12 already has. BYU problematic. Who else is there?
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Thanks
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Over spaghetti too. I had a different brand of the same thing at the Cincinnati airport recently, wasn't anything to write home about.
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I finally get it now. There are some parts of Italy that heavily spice their ragu with nutmeg. This must be the origin. I've eaten spaghetti where you could taste the nutmeg and other spices. Around Calabria.
 
UC313 said:
You put chili on my spaghetti and my grandmother will rise from the grave and smack every human within arms distance with a wooden spoon. And deservedly so.
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What is Bolognese if not a kind of chili?
 
UT4Big12 said:
I hate to sound stupid, but what is skyline chili? I must be missing something here.
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Nope, really not missing anything at all. When I visited this girl in Ohio, just a couple years out of college, and the second day she asked me if I wanted to go out for a 3-way, I was pretty stoked... thinking to myself "best, trip, ever". And then we pulled into a Skyline Chili and ordered a 3-way, which is spaghetti covered with chili, topped with a mound of shredded cheddar cheese. Then I thought "worst, trip, ever"
Just to clarify, a 4-way is a 3-Way with onions or beans, and a 5-way is a 3-Way with onions and beans.
 
SAMCRO said:
Nope, really not missing anything at all. When I visited this girl in Ohio, just a couple years out of college, and the second day she asked me if I wanted to go out for a 3-way, I was pretty stoked... thinking to myself "best, trip, ever". And then we pulled into a Skyline Chili and ordered a 3-way, which is spaghetti covered with chili, topped with a mound of shredded cheddar cheese. Then I thought "worst, trip, ever"
Just to clarify, a 4-way is a 3-Way with onions or beans, and a 5-way is a 3-Way with onions and beans.
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This reminds me of the Who movie, "Tommy."
 
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