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What ever happened to the Villinova invite to go 1-A, is that offically dead yet? If not, is there some kind of deadline for that decision to be made?
 
KingNittany said:
What ever happened to the Villinova invite to go 1-A, is that offically dead yet? If not, is there some kind of deadline for that decision to be made?
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Right now I think it is dead in the water, and I think Nova will kick themselves down the road when everything plays out. The one specific reason that was commonly given when their upgrade was discussed was that it would protect tbe basketball program.
 
KingNittany said:
What ever happened to the Villinova invite to go 1-A, is that offically dead yet? If not, is there some kind of deadline for that decision to be made?
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I'd guess that's way at the bottom of the priority list for the Big East right now, alongside adding UCF and ECU. None of those options are relevant right now, and none will do anything but waste a spot for a potential BCS expansion candidate, should that opportunity arise for the conference. Nova and the CUSA clowns also will do absolutely nothing to solidify the conference's future.
 
uc1974 said:
Most of you guys are too young to remember that Ga. Tech was a member of the SEC and left b/c it was too hard to keep up. Same with Tulane.
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They didn't leave gracefully, if I recall. The SEC (especially UGA) would not welcome them back.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
That is absolutely the worst case. Which is why the right move for the Big East schools is to make some sort of massive separation agreement. Like $50 million over 5 years for a football school departing from the other football schools. Keep the no fault divorce clause between football and hoops. I would have a clause that reduces the departure clause by 80% if 2/3's of the members are in BCS conferences within a year of the first school leaving. Basically, if most of the conference is saved, then the leftovers still get a healthy payday. If everyone is saved, there is no payday, but if one or two teams leave on their own, they get hammered.

The reason anyone would sign this is to:

1) put a floor on the worst case, with 3 or fewer teams splitting at least $60 million if they have to go to CUSA.
2) send a message to other conferences that if you raid the Big East, you will not be able to get teams on the cheap.
3) encourage the Big East schools to hold together until a super-majority have a safe landing.
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Great idea. Too complicated. Impossible to implement. Great idea tho.
 
uconnbaseball said:
They didn't leave gracefully, if I recall. The SEC (especially UGA) would not welcome them back.
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Yeah it's too hard to keep up. If you have standards, you want to play ball against programs with similar standards. You can't play ball against programs that just outright cheat if you don't want to cheat too. That's the reality. Look at the Ivy League. They don't even want to give scholarships. They don't want to do what they would have to do to compete in a place even like the BE or the ACC. God knows they have the money. Duke doesn't want to do it, but they stay for basketball. GT didn't want to degrade their program to SEC levels. And believe it or not, there are a lot of people in this country who would agree with them and couldn't give a hoot about Saturday afternoon in front of the TV.
 
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One thing is for certain - we made an incredibly smart move to upgrade to D-IA when we did...
 
FluxTZ said:
One thing is for certain - we made an incredibly smart move to upgrade to D-IA when we did...
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Here, here. Not to diminish any accomplishments by our hoops teams, they have put us on the map. But having the foresight to invest in football when we did is unspeakably huge right now.
 
CTMike said:
Here, here. Not to diminish any accomplishments by our hoops teams, they have put us on the map. But having the foresight to invest in football when we did is unspeakably huge right now.
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Thank Big Lew for that. He sounded the clarion call often and loud, and Rowland listened. Thank John Rowland too. And I'm a Lib Democrat!
 
gars44 said:
Thank Big Lew for that. He sounded the clarion call often and loud, and Rowland listened. Thank John Rowland too. And I'm a Lib Democrat!
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Calhoun should get some credit too. He's the one who got Huskymania off the ground. They are honoring the basketball team at the Iowa State game, hopefully JC will be there and speak to the crowd.
 
CTMike said:
Here, here. Not to diminish any accomplishments by our hoops teams, they have put us on the map. But having the foresight to invest in football when we did is unspeakably huge right now.
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Oh - I didn't mean for my statement to come across as not giving credit to our basketball program. We have them to thank for putting us in the national spotlight and helping build the solid foundation that our athletic identity sits on and has led to our athletic successes. But as you said, the foresight to invest heavily in upgrading football is unquestionably one of the best decisions the university has ever made - especially in regards to athletics. And I do thank Lew Perkins for everything he did to get the ball rolling.
 
Duke and WF should drop football and form a conference with the Big East basketball schools. It would be powerful enough where they could compete for top recruits/Final Fours
 
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metsfan2323 said:
Calhoun should get some credit too. He's the one who got Huskymania off the ground. They are honoring the basketball team at the Iowa State game, hopefully JC will be there and speak to the crowd.
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UConn is only even in these discussions because of Calhoun and to a lesser extent Auriemma. They built the fan base, they got $2 billion from the state for upgrades on campus, and they enabled the football program to upgrade and get the stadium built. Every single building affiliated with UConn's athletic department should have their name on it.
 
FDNY99 said:
Right now I think it is dead in the water, and I think Nova will kick themselves down the road when everything plays out. The one specific reason that was commonly given when their upgrade was discussed was that it would protect tbe basketball program.
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I think we are a little ahead of ourselves. The game is not close to over yet. There is a meaningful possibility that WVU could leave for the SEC, and then realignment stop right there. The Big East would have to add one or two teams to replace WVU and satisfy Comcast's desire for more inventory.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
UConn is only even in these discussions because of Calhoun and to a lesser extent Auriemma. They built the fan base, they got $2 billion from the state for upgrades on campus, and they enabled the football program to upgrade and get the stadium built. Every single building affiliated with UConn's athletic department should have their name on it.
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True, but once given the opportunity to compete at this level, Football has taken full advantage and played their way into relevance. So thank you Jim and Geno for creating the opportunity, and thank you Coach Gump and staff for making the most of it.
 
The only reason why UConn brings more to the table right now than a school like Baylor, Iowa State, or Cincinnati is because of the basketball programs. Football has not reached the level of being a national brand, yet. The reason UConn is a national brand name is because of things like Kemba Walker going on TV shows left and right, Jim Calhoun being a regular on the ESPN.com frontpage, Auriemma being in multiple national commercials, Ray Allen winning NBA championships and being in movies, all of which are linked to UConn. Not to mention the basketball programs winning 9 championships since 1999. The women's streak last year got more UConn-specific attention on Sportscenter than anything the football team has done since its inception, save a few mentions on the BCS shows last year, mostly in passing reference to being the predicted punching bag for OU. They had breaking news stories pop up on all of their networks, and they cut into a live broadcast to tell everyone that we'd lost to Stanford.

I guarantee you if you asked some Joe on the street in any state but Connecticut, tell me the first thing that pops into your head when you hear the name UConn, 95% of the time it will be basketball related. I would venture to guess that that same Joe's first thought about the football program, tragically, would most of the time have something to do with Jazz, if he had any specific first thoughts about the football team. But the good news is, most of those people around the country, even in the far reaching states, will have something to think of, and they're more likely to keep the TV on when they see UConn on TV. That's what the network execs want. Our football team is definitely making progress and is slowly carving a name for itself, and can definitely vault itself to this status, but the brand name recognition nationwide right now is coming primarily from basketball.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
The only reason why UConn brings more to the table right now than a school like Baylor, Iowa State, or Cincinnati is because of the basketball programs. Football has not reached the level of being a national brand, yet. The reason UConn is a national brand name is because of things like Kemba Walker going on TV shows left and right, Jim Calhoun being a regular on the ESPN.com frontpage, Auriemma being in multiple national commercials, Ray Allen winning NBA championships and being in movies, all of which are linked to UConn. Not to mention the basketball programs winning 9 championships since 1999. The women's streak last year got more UConn-specific attention on Sportscenter than anything the football team has done since its inception, save a few mentions on the BCS shows last year, mostly in passing reference to being the predicted punching bag for OU. They had breaking news stories pop up on all of their networks, and they cut into a live broadcast to tell everyone that we'd lost to Stanford.

I guarantee you if you asked some Joe on the street in any state but Connecticut, tell me the first thing that pops into your head when you hear the name UConn, 95% of the time it will be basketball related. I would venture to guess that that same Joe's first thought about the football program, tragically, would most of the time have something to do with Jazz, if he had any specific first thoughts about the football team. But the good news is, most of those people around the country, even in the far reaching states, will have something to think of, and they're more likely to keep the TV on when they see UConn on TV. That's what the network execs want. Our football team is definitely making progress and is slowly carving a name for itself, and can definitely vault itself to this status, but the brand name recognition nationwide right now is coming primarily from basketball.
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You seem to be discounting potential and momentum, which I wouldn't be so quick to do. If I am a conference, do I look at the product today or what the product might be in 5-10 years?
 
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jpm25 said:
You seem to be discounting potential and momentum, which I wouldn't be so quick to do. If I am a conference, do I look at the product today or what the product might be in 5-10 years?
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Ultimately, it's not what the conference thinks, it's what the TV network thinks. That's who the conferences are pandering to, and what is the basis for nearly every decision made by the conferences right now. Sure, there's some potential on the football side, but so far they haven't proven anything in terms of vaulting to the status of national brand. A win over OU would have been a huge first step in that regard, but they were clearly a better team than us. Right now, you have to ask, what is the program's biggest win? The answer isn't terribly stimulating on a national level. Whereas, you look at the biggest wins for other up and coming programs like Boise and TCU, and they're against the big boys in big time bowl games, as well as some regular season wins over huge programs. We need a couple of those before the football program really can take off as a legit national brand.
 
We are nowhere close to being a large, national brand in football.

We do, however, have more than basketball to recommend us over some of the other names you mentioned. Real presence in a mid-level TV market. Potential entree (never ownership) into the NY market. And, as someone else pointed out, a clear sign that the school is moving in the right direction to be competitive at the Top 64 level.
 
businesslawyer said:
We are nowhere close to being a large, national brand in football.

We do, however, have more than basketball to recommend us over some of the other names you mentioned. Real presence in a mid-level TV market. Potential entree (never ownership) into the NY market. And, as someone else pointed out, a clear sign that the school is moving in the right direction to be competitive at the Top 64 level.
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Agreed, those do help bolster our profile more than the others I mentioned, those probably weren't the best overall examples. I used them simply as comparisons strictly for athletic performance.
 
MSU president gave some insight into the SEC expansion discussion. It looks like they took no action regarding #14, #15 or #16. He made it sound like SEC is not aggressive in expansion. They had to take a look at A&M because the program and the market they sit in. A&M came after the SEC not the other way around. This makes me wonder where they got Missouri and WVU for the #14 rumor? I think people just making stuff up on the Internet to get more traffic. SEC is moving much slower than random bloggers on the Internet.

I personally don't think WVU is a good fit for the SEC when there are much better candidates out there including Missouri. VTECH and NCST both make more sense for the SEC than WVU. If SEC does not have that new state requirement, both FSU and Clemson also make more sense.

http://mississippistate.scout.com/2/1103873.html
 
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