WOW! Respect for The American!

[Jerry1714]

I'm not arguing it's a screw job for the league, (since Tulsa shouldn't be in the field at all) but I think we- UConn- got hosed a seed or two after seeing the placements of Oregon St. and Cuse specifically. We got shown less respect, and we are in the American. So in a roundabout way, through us, the conference was shown a little disrespect. I probably shouldn't have mentioned Temple. Anyway, normally a 9 for our resume is probably right on, but after seeing the rest of the seedings, I think the committee did a poor job.

We played teams out of conference. It's not our fault OSU and Georgetown sucked. We beat Texas in Texas. We won our conference tourney and have 24 wins. A 9 is too low when OSU got a 7. I'm sorry, to me that's just crap.

Oregon State had a better RPI, more top 25 wins, more top 50 wins, more top 100 and a MUCH better NCOOC, but hey lets not let facts get in the way!

Wanting credit for the bolded is laughable.

If you think we got hosed by a seed who cares, we play basically the same team and play a 1 in 2nd round. It makes no difference.

 

[Jerry1714]

8/9 Colorado v. UConn. This is a tough 8/9 game, winner gets the #1 overall seed Kansas. I have no problem with the

8/9 St. Joe's v. Cincinnati. This is the one I don't get. We beat them in the AAC Quarters, (I know we go 0-2 in regular season), and they get blessed with the A10 Tourney Champ. Winner gets Oregon. I feel like Oregon is a much better draw than Kansas. Seems like the committee placed more of an emphasis on the regular season.

7/10 Iowa vs. Temple. Have a good night Temple Iowa is about 2-3 seed lines underseeded. Then you get Villanova who sucks in the first weekend. I feel like UConn or Cincinnati could have been in this spot.

11/11 Michigan v. Tulsa. How. This is and the Temple game are the best draws here. They get to go to Brooklyn and play Notre Dame in the 1st round. If we lost to Memphis maybe we landed here?

I don't know. The best two teams in the conference got the worst draws. Tulsa gets embarrassed by Memphis in a must-win situation and then gets rewarded with a dynamite draw. Odd.

There is stretching to make a point and then there is this. Tulsa, a team who has to play a play in game has a better draw? Come on.

UConn got the seed they deserved, wanting a "easy draw" is laughable. This is the NCAA tournament. You have to beat good teams.

 

[tzznandrew]

Then you have no clue what you are talking about.

No one had Oregon state on the bubble.

To be fair, I thought--and still think!--they are a fraud and their resume is a joke. But actual bracketologists disagreed.

 

[Jerry1714]

To be fair, I thought--and still think!--they are a fraud and their resume is a joke. But actual bracketologists disagreed.

They may stink, their advanced metrics are not good, but with their RPI numbers they were 100% making it with a somewhat decent seed

 

[tzznandrew]

In other words, make it up as they go along.

St. Bonaventure deserved to be in the field. After that, no one can really complain, and Tulsa and Syracuse owe committee members some lap dances.

St. Bonaventure had no right to be in the tournament, and the committee nailed that.

 

[noeynox]

I don't like our seed. Thought we should get around a 7. A potential 2nd rd matchup with KU is interesting if we beat Colorado.

I liked Temple's chances. Tulsa is a head scratcher but so is Cuse.

 

[tzznandrew]

Oregon State had a better RPI, more top 25 wins, more top 50 wins, more top 100 and a MUCH better NCOOC, but hey lets not let facts get in the way!

Wanting credit for the bolded is laughable.

If you think we got hosed by a seed who cares, we play basically the same team and play a 1 in 2nd round. It makes no difference.

Their best RPI win was Tulsa. Not impressed.

That said, I'm just quibbling. I agree with your points here.

 

[David 76]

We were likely not in the tournament. How much advancement did anyone expect from beating 2 other bubble teams and Memphis?
The only ranked team in our conference isn't in the tourney. Our conference's best attribute is how many bubble-type teams we had. Five counting Houston.
But there is no conspiracy.Our teams are in that 30-42 range

 

[nelsonmuntz]

St. Bonaventure had no right to be in the tournament, and the committee nailed that.

Other than overall record, RPI, record vs. Top 50, and record vs. Top 100, you make a great point.

 

[tzznandrew]

Other than overall record, RPI, record vs. Top 50, and record vs. Top 100, you make a great point.

Regale me again with their wins over Buffalo and Ohio, Davidson and George Washington.

In all seriousness, these were their Top 50 wins:

20 @Dayton
23 St. Joe's
23 @St. Joe's

Notice the lack of OOC wins...

Even their losses:

20 Dayton
33 @VCU

Now, to their 51-100 wins:

59 Davidson
65 George Washingon
80 Ohio
91 Buffalo

That's not an NCAA tournament team...but maybe I would concede if they didn't also have these losses:

101 @Siena
158 Dusquesne
232 La Salle

Or if their advanced metrics weren't:

KenPom: 79
Sagarin: 79
BPI: 75

So, yeah. I'm going to say I'm unimpressed. At least Syracuse beat Duke on the road....

 

[BoatShow]

Then you have no clue what you are talking about.

No one had Oregon state on the bubble.

That Oregon state team is absolutely horrible. 7 seed with 19 wins? Uhhhhh

 

[tzznandrew]

That Oregon state team is absolutely horrible. 7 seed with 19 wins? Uhhhhh

Even if the NCAA only uses the RPI to group wins, they look pretty good because the PAC had such a ridiculously inflated RPI.

 

[BoatShow]

Even if the NCAA only uses the RPI to group wins, they look pretty good because the PAC had such a ridiculously inflated RPI.

It's ridiculous. One of the most effed up brackets I remember. Can't even wrap my head around filling one out right now. Not just cause I'm drunk.

 

[Rocktheworld]

UConn got the seed they deserved, wanting a "easy draw" is laughable. This is the NCAA tournament. You have to beat good teams.

To win championships. Most here (including myself) just want a Sweet Sixteen. That would be a huge turnaround and success for this season.

There are certainly teams that have easier routes to that round.

 

[Palatine]

If Memphis beat UConn they would have knocked Tulsa out.

 

[The Funster]

I think the committee was very inconsistent this year.

 

[auror]

In other words, make it up as they go along.

St. Bonaventure deserved to be in the field. After that, no one can really complain, and Tulsa and Syracuse owe committee members some lap dances.

What's the point of a committee if you don't want them making decisions about who they think is good? Otherwise just use a computer ranking like the RPI. They clearly pulled from different sources and made judgments.

I wish they'd put less emphasis on certain metrics (top X RPI wins for sure), but I like them going against the grain and not just getting pulled into the groupthink.

 

[djct1999]

We were likely not in the tournament. How much advancement did anyone expect from beating 2 other bubble teams and Memphis?
The only ranked team in our conference isn't in the tourney. Our conference's best attribute is how many bubble-type teams we had. Five counting Houston.
But there is no conspiracy.Our teams are in that 30-42 range

I disagree 100%. I think UConn was in before the AAC started. After they beat Cincy, it was already determined that Cincy was a 9 as was the winner of the UConn/Temple game. The loser was a 10. Sadly, being in the 10 would have been a better draw.

 

[Jerry1714]

To be fair, I thought--and still think!--they are a fraud and their resume is a joke. But actual bracketologists disagreed.

You are not alone:
Two Double Digit Seeds favored by Vegas:
#11 Gonzaga -2.5 over #6 Seton Hall
#10 VCU -3 over #7 Oregon State

 

[Jerry1714]

I disagree 100%. I think UConn was in before the AAC started. After they beat Cincy, it was already determined that Cincy was a 9 as was the winner of the UConn/Temple game. The loser was a 10. Sadly, being in the 10 would have been a better draw.

I think this is pretty spot on.

With KU being the #1 overall seed that means we are the #1 9 seed, that is 13 spots from being out. I do not think we jumped 13 spots this weekend, we were in before the Cincy game.

 

[tzznandrew]

You are not alone:
Two Double Digit Seeds favored by Vegas:
#11 Gonzaga -2.5 over #6 Seton Hall
#10 VCU -3 over #7 Oregon State

Ha! Looking at the bracket, I was seriously considering Gonzaga over Seton Hall too.

That said, I'm pretty sure my brackets will be a mess, so this projection is not saying much.

 

[tzznandrew]

I think this is pretty spot on.

With KU being the #1 overall seed that means we are the #1 9 seed, that is 13 spots from being out. I do not think we jumped 13 spots this weekend, we were in before the Cincy game.

Many of us were saying we were much safer than people were suggesting. This seems like further evidence. Likely safer than even the most generous of us thought.

I mean, Tulsa got in despite getting housed by Memphis. There is no conceivable world where a team with a worse resume than us loses to a worse team than we were playing and is in while we were out.

Apparently that Adams 3 changed our teams attitude and seed, but didn't "save" the season with regards to the NCAAs.

 

[auror]

Oregon State had a better RPI, more top 25 wins, more top 50 wins, more top 100 and a MUCH better NCOOC, but hey lets not let facts get in the way!

RPI is terrible and OSU is a great example of it.
Oregon St Tier 'A' 5-9, Tier 'B' 3-1, Rest 11-2
UConn Tier 'A' 5-7, Tier 'B' 3-1, Rest 16-2

So which is better, 2 Tier 'A' losses or 5 "rest" wins?

 

[businesslawyer]

After seeing the brackets, I thought we would have worked our way up to a 7. Oregon St. is a flipping 7 and was said to be a bubble team. Cuse is a 10. No, we weren't respected.

Oh stop. The 9 is far from ridiculous. Could we have been a 7? Sure, but if you think that you can know exactly what seed number is fair for every school, instead of accepting that there is a range within which reasonable people can differ, you're a dope.

 

[David 76]

So, if we were a 10 or 11 before our tourney, then those wins moved us to a nine.
Options:
1)Wins over Cinci, Temple & Memphis in the AAC tourney did little to our seed
2) we were bubble and those wins moved us a little more
3) Conspiracy. We really earned a 6 or 7 seed.

Option #3 coming from BY which believed we and our conference sucked

 

[Jerry1714]

Many of us were saying we were much safer than people were suggesting. This seems like further evidence. Likely safer than even the most generous of us thought.

I mean, Tulsa got in despite getting housed by Memphis. There is no conceivable world where a team with a worse resume than us loses to a worse team than we were playing and is in while we were out.

Apparently that Adams 3 changed our teams attitude and seed, but didn't "save" the season with regards to the NCAAs.

Agreed, I thought we could/should be in with a loss to Cincy, but the seeding, specifically Tulsa's inclusion and Cincys being a 9, tells me we were in no matter the outcome of that game.

 

[3rdbass]

I don't even think Tulsa was watching the show after that clunker in the quarterfinals.

Nope and it feels like a makeup for past snubs from the AAC. Monmouth deserved it more than them.

 

[weyuo]

I'm a little surprised Memphis, after going to the AAC Tourney final game didn't get an invite to the NIT. Houston's there but no Memphis. It will be interesting to see if Pastner is back next season.

 

[Rocktheworld]

So, if we were a 10 or 11 before our tourney, then those wins moved us to a nine.
Options:
1)Wins over Cinci, Temple & Memphis in the AAC tourney did little to our seed
2) we were bubble and those wins moved us a little more
3) Conspiracy. We really earned a 6 or 7 seed.

Option #3 coming from BY which believed we and our conference sucked

It has been stated that the committee takes much less consideration for conference tournament games. So the answer is Option #1

And I think it's clear that if Cuse and Tulsa made it in, we weren't on the bubble before the tournament.

 

[methodology]

You are not alone:
Two Double Digit Seeds favored by Vegas:
#11 Gonzaga -2.5 over #6 Seton Hall
#10 VCU -3 over #7 Oregon State

Seton Hall is a legit team. Very young but gelled down the stretch. Whitehead is an NBA player and next year will be a superstar in college. They have lots of other weapons on the perimeter and front court. Their defense is top notch also.

Loved the disrespect they got in the big East tourney by vegas, bet them every game and profited 5k.

Probably going to parlay that in taking them vs the zags just have to look at all the numbers and analytics to see if the bet makes sense