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OT: World Cup 2018

MadDogRevival said:
Soccer guys, help me out here? Is the rule that any unintentional handball in the box is a penalty? If so, that's a terrible, awful rule on par with the NFL catch rules and tuck rule. Just horrible. The punishment does not fit the crime there. At all.

When you're talking about a game where, in a half, the only shot on goal was Perisic's beautiful rocket, it sucks that a handball not done to stop a goal leads to an easy goal. I know there's more resistance to change in soccer than in ever baseball, but that distorts the outcome of a game, as it did here. Guys shouldn't have to play with their hands behind their backs, as I've seen - that's ridiculous.
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Its unfortunate that it wasn't a demonstrative, blatant attempt to stop the ball going into a goal with the hand, but because the hand "made the body bigger" it had to be called. Just a rule that has to be upkept. Very unlucky.

Pique for Spain had an unfortunate one too. You can't not call it.
 
Jay-Bone said:
Its unfortunate that it wasn't a demonstrative, blatant attempt to stop the ball going into a goal with the hand, but because the hand "made the body bigger" it had to be called. Just a rule that has to be upkept. Very unlucky.

Pique for Spain had an unfortunate one too. You can't not call it.
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yeah, I think it was a good call
 
MadDogRevival said:
Anybody cheering for France in here? Lol.

So, France has had zero shots on goal. There was a flat dive that led to the call on the first one. The second one appeared to be an unintentional hand ball.

Soccer guys, help me out here? Is the rule that any unintentional handball in the box is a penalty? If so, that's a terrible, awful rule on par with the NFL catch rules and tuck rule. Just horrible. The punishment does not fit the crime there. At all.

When you're talking about a game where, in a half, the only shot on goal was Perisic's beautiful rocket, it sucks that a handball not done to stop a goal leads to an easy goal. I know there's more resistance to change in soccer than in ever baseball, but that distorts the outcome of a game, as it did here. Guys shouldn't have to play with their hands behind their backs, as I've seen - that's ridiculous.

In any event, Croatia appeared to my ignorant eye to have played the better half. They had more opportunities.

Fun game. It's a shame the U.S. isn't more committed to it.
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@Jay-Bone put it in a single helpful phrase

I’ll also say that I believe intentional use of the hand leads to a red card. It was only just a PK specifically because it was an unintentional incident.

And I doubt the rule will be changed. THE big rule in soccer is “you can’t use your hands”. They’re not going to start trying to determine ways by and contexts in which it can be legal to “use” one’s hands. That would actually significantly complicate things.

Just like they never will (and we’ll never want them to) change the rules in basketball to note ways by and contexts in which you can kick the basketball.
 
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I’ve been rooting for France this whole tournament, but damn it’s kind of sad to see Croatia get picked apart like this.
 
This is a classic pattern - can see the same thing in basketball.
The team with less talent keeps it close or appears to be leading for a half or so.
Eventually, the team with more talent takes control as the talent shows itself.

Croatia is all heart, no doubt, but France only needs the narrowest of windows to score, and playing from behind is death against them.
 
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Rocktheworld said:
And I doubt the rule will be changed. THE big rule in soccer is “you can’t use your hands”. They’re not going to start trying to determine ways by and contexts in which it can be legal to “use” one’s hands.
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My thought wasn't "make hands legal". How did you get that?
My thought was, "the penalty is too severe for an unintentional handball." Pretty much, any inadvertent hand ball and there's a 70% of a goal. In a game where 1 goal often is the difference between winning and losing, that's ridiculous. And seeing guys running around on defense with their hands together behind their backs is visual evidence that it's ridiculous. If the offensive player in the box hands it, is that a penalty kick? No? That's a huge advantage, because they can freely use their arms and hands to balance. Terrible rule.
But there reason it won't change is not because it doesn't make sense - it won't change because history and all.
 
MadDogRevival said:
My thought wasn't "make hands legal". How did you get that?
My thought was, "the penalty is too severe for an unintentional handball." Pretty much, any inadvertent hand ball and there's a 70% of a goal. In a game where 1 goal often is the difference between winning and losing, that's ridiculous. And seeing guys running around on defense with their hands together behind their backs is visual evidence that it's ridiculous. If the offensive player in the box hands it, is that a penalty kick? No? That's a huge advantage, because they can freely use their arms and hands to balance. Terrible rule.
But there reason it won't change is not because it doesn't make sense - it won't change because history and all.
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Fair. You didn’t say anything about making anything outright legal. I didn’t mean to imply that and my word choice was poor.

I think the severity of the penalty is because of how close to the goal it was. I think unintentional hand interference elsewhere on the field doesn’t result in a PK but I could be wrong. Think how these elite athletes would game that system if it was, for example, just a corner kick for hand interference in the goal area.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Think how these elite athletes would game that system if it was, for example, just a corner kick for hand interference in the goal area.
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I'm just an outsider looking in. I think it's a great game, and, looking back, I wish I had played soccer instead of football.
It's just my nature to try to tweak things.
For basketball, for example, I'd stop all palming of the ball, enforce the 2 step rule, call a technical on offensive players going off their course to create contact when a defender is in the air, and make it a 2.5 point shot instead of a 3. Probably won't get my wish on any of that. Lol.
 
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It's depressing, seeing the spoiled big boy win again. That being said, from an objective POV, France is obviously a worthy winner, though it would've been nice to see a bounce or two for Croatia in the first half when Les Bleus scored those iffy goals. Croatia has got nothing to be ashamed of and were clearly good enough to, on a different day with different luck perhaps, win that game.
 
It just wasn’t Croatia’s day. They clearly have the talent, just not the luck today. Congrats on a great tournament.

France are definitely worthy winners though. Ridiculously talented. Amazing pace, play from set pieces, and especially the counter attack. Sure they are dramatic but they’re French. It’s expected. It’s pretty crazy because they are young and are still a work in progress. In 2022 they will be even better.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
I don’t get how anyone is saying that penalty call was bogus. I thought that was one of the more obvious handball pens.
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It's definitely a handball. I just hate that inadvertent ricochets, that didn't stop a scoring chance result in penalties.

The Griesman call was BS straight up. But that was simply a professional foul draw. Griesman saw it all the way and knew the call was coming if he acted accordingly.
 
intlzncster said:
It's definitely a handball. I just hate that inadvertent ricochets, that didn't stop a scoring chance result in penalties.

The Griesman call was BS straight up. But that was simply a professional foul draw. Griesman saw it all the way and knew the call was coming if he acted accordingly.
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I saw the Griezman call as he slipped and was going down and then got contact so it shouldn’t have been a foul. It was an inadvertent handball IMO. He was screened and couldn’t adjust similar to Croatia’s own goal
 
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